++ ATOT official NEF thread part IV ++

[norseamd]

fucking shit The contractor can't start on my workshop for another 2 months. This fucking sucks! There is no AC up here and I still don't have a place for my knees. FUCK FUCK FUCK!

you need a chair

trust me

joint problems suck and they can only get worse

 

[sdifox]

Ni

 

[sdifox]

Universal nefferage

 

[Red Squirrel]

so i have thought about installing linux for some time now

anything you want to say

i would have to make another partition and i do not think thee is enough space on my ssd for that right now

that means i would have to put the linux distrobutions on my hard drive

I have a love hate relationship with Linux, it's great because it's free and open source, and it's much easier to automate stuff than in Windows. There is also no licensing bullshit to deal with.

But one big issue with Linux is there is a huge lack of standardization across distros so there is always problems with stuff if it was not designed for that specific distro. Then there's the fact that every distro seems to put settings in different places and in a different format. I find lot of app devs also half ass the front end. They might be really smart to be able to make the actual app do what it's meant for, but then the front end will be a nightmare to manage because they skimped on it instead of making it more user friendly. Ex: KVM. Been fighting with that for days trying to figure stuff out. There's too many tools all half assed. KVM, Qemu, libvirt, virsh, virt-manager... way too much crap just for 1 thing and they're all half done instead of one that works 100% well. There's a lot of BS like that in Linux.

There's not really anything specific I can say to watch for, you pretty much have to give it a go and see how it works out. If you have windows 7 don't bother trying to dual boot on the same drive though, Windows 7 is VERY sensitive to anything such as partition resizing. I could never get it to work. It would just bluescreen. It can be done but no idea how to pull it off.

Easier to get a secondary SSD for Linux. Set that one as primary (ex: sata port 0) then the bootloader will detect windows too after a few reboots.

 

[norseamd]

I have a love hate relationship with Linux, it's great because it's free and open source, and it's much easier to automate stuff than in Windows. There is also no licensing bullshit to deal with.

But one big issue with Linux is there is a huge lack of standardization across distros so there is always problems with stuff if it was not designed for that specific distro. Then there's the fact that every distro seems to put settings in different places and in a different format. I find lot of app devs also half ass the front end. They might be really smart to be able to make the actual app do what it's meant for, but then the front end will be a nightmare to manage because they skimped on it instead of making it more user friendly. Ex: KVM. Been fighting with that for days trying to figure stuff out. There's too many tools all half assed. KVM, Qemu, libvirt, virsh, virt-manager... way too much crap just for 1 thing and they're all half done instead of one that works 100% well. There's a lot of BS like that in Linux.

There's not really anything specific I can say to watch for, you pretty much have to give it a go and see how it works out. If you have windows 7 don't bother trying to dual boot on the same drive though, Windows 7 is VERY sensitive to anything such as partition resizing. I could never get it to work. It would just bluescreen. It can be done but no idea how to pull it off.

Easier to get a secondary SSD for Linux. Set that one as primary (ex: sata port 0) then the bootloader will detect windows too after a few reboots.

great

wonderful

grand


was looking at fedora, linux mint, and steam os

any suggestions


what about gnome vs kde or any other desktop environment

 

[norseamd]

Universal nefferage

concerning world issue

 

[Red Squirrel]

great

wonderful

grand


was looking at fedora, linux mint, and steam os

any suggestions


what about gnome vs kde or any other desktop environment

I find for desktop, Kubuntu is nice. The standard Ubuntu has a HORRIBLE Gui (think: Metro, it's basically similar idea).

That said, Gnome is now heading towards the Metro way. No start menu, no desktop, but some weird side bar. I could not even figure out how to get a command prompt. If something that simple requires me to google it, then it's not a proper UI. Kubuntu uses KDE, which personally I prefer. You have to try them all and see which one you prefer.

For servers I'm liking CentOS, though I am playing around with Debian as well. Debian tends to have more packages for it and they're more up to date.

Oh and I hear Linux Mint is really good too, I would actually give that a try. For some reason it would not install on my system so I went with Kubuntu.

 

[norseamd]

I find for desktop, Kubuntu is nice. The standard Ubuntu has a HORRIBLE Gui (think: Metro, it's basically similar idea).

That said, Gnome is now heading towards the Metro way. No start menu, no desktop, but some weird side bar. I could not even figure out how to get a command prompt. If something that simple requires me to google it, then it's not a proper UI. Kubuntu uses KDE, which personally I prefer. You have to try them all and see which one you prefer.

For servers I'm liking CentOS, though I am playing around with Debian as well. Debian tends to have more packages for it and they're more up to date.

Oh and I hear Linux Mint is really good too, I would actually give that a try. For some reason it would not install on my system so I went with Kubuntu.

ever used fedora or any audio workstation or scientific or engineering or productivity distrobution

 

[Red Squirrel]

ever used fedora or any audio workstation or scientific or engineering or productivity distrobution

Have not used Fedora in a long time. My current server is actually running FC9, but I recently built a new server to start migrating stuff to it so I can phase it out. I'm having awful luck finding a proper VM solution though. I may end up having to go the vmware route, which is not really Linux friendly when it comes to management.

 

[sdifox]

concerning world issue

Feeding baby nef

 

[sdifox]

Have not used Fedora in a long time. My current server is actually running FC9, but I recently built a new server to start migrating stuff to it so I can phase it out. I'm having awful luck finding a proper VM solution though. I may end up having to go the vmware route, which is not really Linux friendly when it comes to management.

Esxi can handle linux just fine.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Esxi can handle linux just fine.

Can't manage it from Linux though, that's what I meant.

Though I suppose I could do the initial setup within Windows, then get a Windows VM running, put the management software in there, then from that point on I could just RDP to that box from Linux.

 

[norseamd]

my ssd is 119 gb

the total size of the folders and files on c adds up to 70.7 gb

and yet my properties tab of c says that 85.8 gb is used and that 33.2 gb is free

what is wrong here

 

[rudeguy]

you need a chair

trust me

joint problems suck and they can only get worse

A chair?


Why didn't I think of that?

 

[eldorado99]

ned

 

[raasco]

Fvcking tired.

 

[fjmeat]

my ssd is 119 gb

the total size of the folders and files on c adds up to 70.7 gb

and yet my properties tab of c says that 85.8 gb is used and that 33.2 gb is free

what is wrong here

it's taco tuesday. nothing can be wrong.

 

[sdifox]

Can't manage it from Linux though, that's what I meant.

Though I suppose I could do the initial setup within Windows, then get a Windows VM running, put the management software in there, then from that point on I could just RDP to that box from Linux.

manage esxi from linux? why would you do that?

 

[sdifox]

http://sourceforge.net/projects/veman/

 

[sdifox]

my ssd is 119 gb

the total size of the folders and files on c adds up to 70.7 gb

and yet my properties tab of c says that 85.8 gb is used and that 33.2 gb is free

what is wrong here

units. I deal in TBs.

 

[norseamd]

A chair? Why didn't I think of that?

ya ya i know

what i meant is do not try to tough it out and ruin your knees

joints do now like to work like that

 

[Red Squirrel]

manage esxi from linux? why would you do that?

Because I don't run Windows as my main OS. I don't want to be stuck dual booting or RDPing somewhere just to manage VMs.

 

[Red Squirrel]

units. I deal in TBs.

Same. :biggrin:

[root@isengard /]# df -h
Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/vg_isengard-lv_root
                       50G  4.3G   43G  10% /
tmpfs                 3.9G     0  3.9G   0% /dev/shm
/dev/sdn1             485M   38M  422M   9% /boot
/dev/mapper/vg_isengard-lv_home
                       53G  180M   50G   1% /home
/dev/md0              5.4T  3.7T  1.5T  72% /volumes/raid1
/dev/md1              6.3T  4.3T  1.8T  72% /volumes/raid2
[root@isengard /]#

11TB total of actual usable space.

md0: 4x 3TB drives in raid 10
md1: 8x 1TB drives in raid 5

I just got 8 2TB drives off a forum member at another forum for a bit over 500 bucks, can't wait for those to come in and pop them in my file server. Probably going to do another raid 10.

I also need to buy 2 more 3TB drives to expand my existing raid 10, mostly for performance. I have lot of crap on there I can actually delete soon so disk space is not really an issue.

 

[eldorado99]

maldives

 

[norseamd]

maldives

amphibious city