ATOT Effect NEEDED: Dog law about chaining them outside all day.

[alkemyst]

I live in S. Florida, Red Neck heaven...many believe in chaining dogs outside day and night here...most usually end up getting busted for narcotics inside or stolen property.

Please go here and vote YES to ban it... http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/opinionzone/2011/02/28/stop-people-from-tying-dogs-outside/

There is a law now, but it's too easy for the owner's to say they forgot and get out of it so it's not enforced. Banning it all together would make this a no brainer.

 

[Matthiasa]

The other side to that is it would basically force anyone without a fence to keep their dogs inside basically all day. So unless all but the smallest dogs are allowed there there could be issues.

Also dogs tend to be smart/dumb and will tend to try to escape if given the chance, even with a fence.

 

[FelixDeCat]

So if I chain a dog Im a drug dealer?

 

[alkemyst]

Not necessarily, but most of the issue we are having with this is dogs that never leave the yard and are maniacal...

In all fairness though, a fence is a minimum requirement if you are going to still chain a dog outside at all. A 'chain' is a lot easier to get out of than a properly designed fence.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Lately Ive been on a bit of a health kick. I walked 60 miles in February and so far 5 miles for March (avg 5 miles a day). I usually walk the same route and see the same dogs everyday. In fact, I look forward to getting barked at. Those dogs are so silly, its their only exitement and each has his own way of doing things either individually or as a group, so its kind of entertaining after a while noticing the daily attitudes and differences of each....but getting back on track....I would prefer a dog be behind a fence as opposed to chained simply because the chain may fail (improperly secured, etc) and then the fun and games are over. :'(

 

[Capt Caveman]

Voted. I'm not sure if I'm against the complete ban but believe it should be something like a limit of 90-120 minutes at a time with access to water/shade/cover. I believe a number of places have regulations like this.

 

[nutxo]

I'm against the complete ban. There's already a law in place and anyone that supports a complete ban hasn't thought this out very well.

Maybe some of these people that support a complete ban can adopt a few dogs that can clear a 6 foot fence like its nothing and end up in shelters.

My wife has been doing animal rescue for years. I hear conversations related to rescue continuously. I haven't heard a single colleague of hers argue in support of these laws. Ive heard many against them.

 

[AMCRambler]

I think living with all those old people in Florida is turning you into into a cranky old fart Alky. So this law would ban putting your dog out in the yard on a chain or rope? I can see banning it as an all day all night thing in an urban area. But you should still be able to put the dog out for some air. Is it the barking that's pissing you off or just that they could get off the leash and bite your crotchety ass?

 

[zinfamous]

I voted, but note that this is not a poll or a vote to do anything.

it's simply an opinion piece for this website, no?

post on 4chan, those nutters are all about treating one's animals properly.

 

[Number1]

This is a ridiculous law and I "voted" against it. (like the majority of votes so far)

 

[OlafSicky]

Dogs are not people we lock up chickens in cages dogs are no different. No problem with it here.

 

[rsutoratosu]

No is in the lead

 

[alkemyst]

This is a ridiculous law and I "voted" against it. (like the majority of votes so far)

The law isn't against the dog not being supervised. A collar and chain is not meant for any pets that are unattended.

That is what fences are for.

 

[alkemyst]

I voted, but note that this is not a poll or a vote to do anything.

it's simply an opinion piece for this website, no?

post on 4chan, those nutters are all about treating one's animals properly.

The website is the newspaper for the county.

On a side note and why I am against it, is as a kid there was some chick that never took care of her yard. My dad would send me over there to cut the grass every couple weeks. She had a little lab pup that mostly never had water or food. I'd fill up the water bowl.

One day I was back there and found it dead hanging from the rails of her screened porch that had no screen.

My dad called the police about it...the dog was skin and bones.

 

[DrPizza]

Since you're using anecdotes, I'll use one: my neighbors have a large black lab. In the morning, before they leave for work, that lab is outside for 2 hours running around, having a good time playing in the yard. It has about 40 feet of rope to run horizontally from a run that goes from their house out to a large tree.

2 hours of exercise. That dog would not get that much time to exercise in the morning if they simply had to walk the dog. The dog spends much of his time outdoors during the summer. I've never seen the dog without water and food; they take excellent care of the dog. Whenever he wants to go into the house, he runs up on the porch and begs to be let in. He's let back into the house within a minute or so every single time.

So, it seems to me, that the dog would much rather be on the chain outside more of the time, than be in the house not on a chain. That dog made that choice, and you want to take that choice away from the dog. You want his owners to spend thousands or more fencing in their yard, instead of using a solution that probably cost less than $50.

This ban isn't going to prevent cruelty. There are countless cases where animals in fenced in areas are left without food or water too. It's not going to magically make bad owners take better care of their pets. The only thing it'll do is make fence installers more money. Perhaps you should find the online petition to make it illegal for drug dealers and thieves to own pets, since in the OP you imply that they're the problem.

 

[alkemyst]

Most that walk their dogs have yards they could run in. Thing is most dogs would rather go lay in the yard than exercise...so you walk them.

My dog doesn't do much in the back yard, but is non-stop at dog park which as soon as the sun stays up longer is everyday.

There is a big difference in tying out a dog while you are getting ready and sort of have an eye on them vs leaving them on a rope for 8-10 hours while you are not even home.

 

[nutxo]

The law isn't against the dog not being supervised. A collar and chain is not meant for any pets that are unattended.

That is what fences are for.

lawl. Fences only contain dogs that want to be contained.

 

[jteef]

its an f-ing dog. let him live his life like he wants to; outside in the fresh air, barkin up bitches and chasing cars. people that need to intervene in every little aspect of everything are terrible. i voted no.

 

[alkemyst]

lawl. Fences only contain dogs that want to be contained.

if you do them wrong.

 

[alkemyst]

its an f-ing dog. let him live his life like he wants to; outside in the fresh air, barkin up bitches and chasing cars. people that need to intervene in every little aspect of everything are terrible. i voted no.

Most dogs want to be inside next to their masters. You fail at understanding them.

An inside dog usually tries to find the softest spots to sleep. Plays with a variety of toys and above all is usually one step behind their master when he is around.

No one is saying never let a dog outside to play at times, they are saying 24/7 on a CHAIN is bad.

There is not one person that is one the dog's best interests side that will agree with a collar and leash while unsupervised.

 

[jteef]

Most dogs want to be inside next to their masters. You fail at understanding them.

An inside dog usually tries to find the softest spots to sleep. Plays with a variety of toys and above all is usually one step behind their master when he is around.

No one is saying never let a dog outside to play at times, they are saying 24/7 on a CHAIN is bad.

There is not one person that is one the dog's best interests side that will agree with a collar and leash while unsupervised.

a dog on a choke collar and braided wire chain is not going anywhere. There is absolutely nothing wrong with hooking dog to chain, letting it sniff around the yard and take care of business for an hour or two and letting it back in. There are already noise ordinances and animal cruelty laws to cover the problem areas.

 

[FelixDeCat]

And now for todays update:

I went for a walk and put in my 10th mile for March today. About 5 doors down from my home I see in the corner of my eye a stray dog - no leash, no fence, nothing. Thankfully it was youngish pup, maybe under a year, so he was going to put on a good show I figured. And sure enough, he threw his paws on the ground and barked. Then he started following me and was sniffing my legs. He wanted to be pet or something. I wanted to lose the dog because we are not in the market right now.

He was well groomed and his tail was trimmed. He followed me down the drive and I sat down on the steps and took my shoes off to get the gravel, grass and assorted debris out. I let him hang around, but I didnt acknowlegde him much. I said, "Go home, silly." Thankfully he took my advice and went home.

I have a funny feeling we will meet again tomorrow.

 

[DrPizza]

Most dogs want to be inside next to their masters. You fail at understanding them.

An inside dog usually tries to find the softest spots to sleep. Plays with a variety of toys and above all is usually one step behind their master when he is around.

No one is saying never let a dog outside to play at times, they are saying 24/7 on a CHAIN is bad.

There is not one person that is one the dog's best interests side that will agree with a collar and leash while unsupervised.

You're saying that those who don't agree with you don't have a dog's best interests in mind. I pointed out one anecdotal case of a neighbor's dog who is let out when he wants to be let out & let back in when he wants to be let back in. In the summertime, he spends the vast majority of his time outside.

I have 3 dogs. 2 can go outside whenever they want, and come in the house whenever they want. They spend the majority of their time outside during the daytime in the summer; the pyr spends most of the daytime outside all winter too, except in the worst weather.

In the summertime, the 3rd dog has access to the outdoors as well. I'm home all day. He spends most of his time outdoors with the other dogs; not inside when I'm inside. In the evening, he's next to us. Right now, I'm eating a large ribeye steak & sharing some of it with him - there's no doubt he's right next to me when it's meal time.

edit: update - now I don't have to rinse my plate. He enjoyed the last of my veggies & salad too.

 

[alkemyst]

a dog on a choke collar and braided wire chain is not going anywhere. There is absolutely nothing wrong with hooking dog to chain, letting it sniff around the yard and take care of business for an hour or two and letting it back in. There are already noise ordinances and animal cruelty laws to cover the problem areas.

A choke collar is not effective when on a uncontrolled leash.

I already addressed that I wasn't talking about the owner that puts his dog on a chain for a limited time while he is around.

 

[alkemyst]

You're saying that those who don't agree with you don't have a dog's best interests in mind. I pointed out one anecdotal case of a neighbor's dog who is let out when he wants to be let out & let back in when he wants to be let back in. In the summertime, he spends the vast majority of his time outside.

I have 3 dogs. 2 can go outside whenever they want, and come in the house whenever they want. They spend the majority of their time outside during the daytime in the summer; the pyr spends most of the daytime outside all winter too, except in the worst weather.

In the summertime, the 3rd dog has access to the outdoors as well. I'm home all day. He spends most of his time outdoors with the other dogs; not inside when I'm inside. In the evening, he's next to us. Right now, I'm eating a large ribeye steak & sharing some of it with him - there's no doubt he's right next to me when it's meal time.

edit: update - now I don't have to rinse my plate. He enjoyed the last of my veggies & salad too.

Which has nothing to do with a dog that is chained outside 24/7