ATL Autoshow 2004 Report

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Lifer
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I just got back from the annual ATL Autoshow. Here are some comments...

Super cars not to miss:

Ford GT
Porsche Carrera GT
Ferrari 612
Ferrari Challenge Stradale
Lamborghini Gallardo
Lamborghini Murcielago
Lotus Elise
Maybach

The Ford area actually had the biggest crowds, attracting people with its GT and 2005 Mustang. The 2005 Mustang is not too bad, though not as nice as the concept. I'm not in the market for one, so it doesn't make much difference to me.

From Ford, I went to Mazda. The Mazda 3 certainly deserves the title, "Best Compact Car". It's solid and offers a lot of value for the money. I came away thinking that the sedan is a little too feminine, but the 5-door is more masculine in design. The RX-8's clutch feel was more Mazda 6 than Miata, and I found that disappointing.

From Mazda, I went to Subaru where I found the biggest surprise of the evening: a 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT in the flesh! And it was even unlocked! Needless to say, I spent at least 30-45 minutes sitting in or standing around it. It's a very attractive car, more so in person than in pictures. On paper, it has everything I want (250hp turbo-charged boxer 4, AWD, 5-speed, heated seats, moonroof) and nothing I don't need (excessive electronics like navigation). Unfortunately, the car at the show was a pre-production car and it certainly showed in terms of interior flaws. I can't wait to test drive a production version in May or June. I am thinking this will be my next car! (Oh, and the dash tilts towards the driver. Driver's car anyone?)

From Subaru to BMW: talk about a huge disappointment. The BMW area seemed to be full of ex-BMW loyalists complaining about Bangle and iDrive. How sad! A new 6-series convertible was on the turntable, and it looks like ass. Imagine a Camry Solara convertible, and you have a better-built BMW 6-series without iDrive (sans RWD and that V8). By comparison to other new cars, NO ONE was interested in the brand-new 5-series. I sat in the 545i with SMG, and everyone who got in it with me complained about how ugly the car is. As far as I am concerned, BMW has gone to complete sh!t. The only REAL BMWs there where the two untouched by the Banglestick: E46 BMW 330i with Performance Package and M3 convertible. The stock audio system (HK) in the 330i Performance is still one of the better ones.

From BMW, through Mercedes (slowing to glance at the ever-gorgeous SL500), and on to Audi. What is there to say about Audi that hasn't been said? Lots of people, standing around, drooling at the A8, but current owners complaining about reliability. Audi is another sad sad German story: the right mix, but what happened to fine German engineering? The A8 is truly THE MOST gorgeous sedan in its class bar none. The A4 is still bad-ass, and for 2005, FINALLY features color-matched underbodies on all models, not just the S4.

Next to Porsche. Carrera GT: drool. Cayenne: yuck. Carrera GT: drool. Boxster S: good job, but it's getting old. Carrera GT: drool. 911 Turbo convertible: drool some more. Carrera GT: finally got to touch a real carbon fibre bumper! Carrera GT: $450,000 MSRP. Carrera GT: 0-62mph in 3.9s, top-speed 205mph. Carrera GT: all 750 for the US have been sold. Carrera GT: you get the point.

From Porsche, through VW (glancing at the Phaeton), through MINI (at least one BMW brand is still doing well), to the exotics. Lambo Murcielago: ho-hum. Ferrari 612: I miss the 456M. Aston Martin DB7: give me a DB9! Lambo Gallardo: damn, I want one...I wonder how many chicks I could pick up in that?...the best car in the world?...is there now too much Audi in Lamborghini? Ferrari Challenge Stradale: blows my hair back just looking at it...to what ends would I go to drive that?...would I kill for it?...maybe. 2005 Lotus Elise: still possibly the perfect track car, second only to the Ferrari Challenge Stradale...the $38K price is very reasonable...maybe I don't need room for groceries after all?...they're already sold out for 18 months...oh well! Mercedes Maybach: wow, that's a lot of shiny wood and leather...but so what?

From the exotics to Lexus. Sat in a IS300 again. Very nice stock audio system, perhaps the best I heard at the show this year. Damn, Lexus is close to perfection with this car. Don't they know they could murder BMW's 3-series if they only made the IS a little bigger, did away with the rice-inspired interior and exterior and made it more 2005 GS-like, gave that I6 some torque, and installed a REAL manual transmission instead of that 5-speed POS? All of that is a very small task for the likes of Lexus! Maybe we'll see those improvements in 18 months when the next-gen IS debuts.

Off to Acura: sorry, but the TSX interior is kinda cheap. Damn the RL is ancient...and so is the NSX. The TL: simply offers more standard features and value than any other car at the show. BMW could learn a lot from Acura as Acura's command and control system actually work...in many differnt ways. Not only is there a small joystick below the LCD, you can also use the LCD as a touch screen. All the interior controls are logical and intuitive. The Acura rep demoed the DVD audio system for me: this sets the standard for all others to follow! The 6-speed manual TL has great pedal feel and linkage, much much better than Lexus' 5-speed and slightly better than Infiniti's 6-speed. The TL is of course another example how the Japanese could take over the luxury market if they just made one improvement: to RWD. The Acura rep dismissed that possibility but hinted at a AWD solution.

From Acura to...NOT into the GM Experience section...but BACK to the exotics for more drooling...and then back to Subrau to admire the Legacy 2.5 GT one last time...well, not the last time...I'll be seeing it again in May or June...with my checkbook?


 

Linux23

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no pics?

i am extremely interested in that Subaru. i just wished it had a V6 engine option.
 
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Ford GT
Porsche Carrera GT
Ferrari 612
Ferrari Challenge Stradale
Lamborghini Gallardo
Lamborghini Murcielago
Maybach
:( The ATL autoshow was better than Clevelands apparently. Of those listed, we had the GTs (Ford and Porsche). Absolute hotness.
 

Justorq

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the TSX is by no means cheap inside ... sorry
the materials are of the same quality as the TL so...
 

Svnla

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I been to the Dallas Autoshow last Saturday. It was ok. Nothing new or any breakout stuffs. Almost the same as last year as far as new cars. I have a few pics. If any of you want to host, I can send them pics to you and everyone can see them.
 

BigSmooth

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Personally, I agree with GTAudiophile on the TSX's interior. I see lots of people say it's "class-leading", but I really didn't think it was anything special. The TL was somewhat better.
 

GTaudiophile

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Originally posted by: BigSmooth
Personally, I agree with GTAudiophile on the TSX's interior. I see lots of people say it's "class-leading", but I really didn't think it was anything special. The TL was somewhat better.

I mean, it's certainly nice, but it's not on par with the TL. It seemed to be more sparse, boring, with harder plastics. For not much more than a TSX, you can buy a IS300 (comparing stickers at the show), and the IS has much better interior quality.

 

akiraxtc

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Anyone have/know a place to host images? i got some pics from the auto show... just went there this afternoon. Damn gwcc is so crowded with people today :D
 

Whisper

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I went to the show myself friday evening, and agree with most of what's been said. My drool was--beyond the ferrari, porsche, lotus, and lamborghini sections, of course--saved for the STi that they had on the floor, along with the WRC car. The rally Tiburon was also pretty interesting, along with the Saab 93's (Saab was behind the GM and Saturn sections).

Nissan had a pretty good setup with the Maxima, new Altima, Titan, and Armada. BMW, as stated, was a MAJOR disappointment. Mercedes was a bit better (SL, woo), but Porsche stole the show for the Germans. VW also had a few good cars in there, and yes, the A8 is always nice to look at.

I was getting tired by the time I made it around to Honda/Acura, and I really didn't spend much time there. Some of the trucks were pretty interesting, though, and Ford definitely had one of the better setups of the show. The classic cars located at the back of the Civic Center were pretty nice (Belair, Stingray, etc.) and worthy of a few photos.

But yes, most of the camera's memory was saved for Subaru and the exotics. As soon as I get the pictures on my computer, I'll try and post a few up.
 

akiraxtc

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I didn't get a chance to see the 2005 mustang but no matter since the 67 stang looked better :)
The Ford GT looked just ok. It's more of a retro styling sports car.

Mazda3 looked good but i test drove one of those before and they were nice. Too bad none of the ones with nav system is on display, i'd love to see one in person. Mazda6 looked outdated somehow with the altima-like plasticky interior. RX8 is cool as hell with the suicide doors though. :)

Went to the Subaru booth for a bit and really not interested in the Legacy. I looked at the WRX Sti instead and while the spec is pretty impressive, the car barely had any equipment in the interior, not even a stereo!

I don't have that much taste in the Benz and BMW corner since the only better cars from them is the Benz CL55 and BMW 5 series/7 series. The 3 series looked rather bland. My roommate looked ecstatic seeing the 330ci though :D
Stopped by to look at the Mini and saw a mini that has a fairly impressive sound system, i don't know if it's a decked out one or factory stock.

Hanging around the Acura and Lexus booth for the most time. Admiring the RX400h. Too bad they would not let people touch or sit in the car :)
IS looked old to me with so-so interior, more of a teenager car... i mean for $29k you can probably find a better value than the IS. And what the hell is up with the SC display? I mean it's not a concept car and there were so many of those on the road and yet they wouldn't let people touch or sit on it.
I kinda disagree with you on the TSX. It's pretty nice for a 26k car especially with what they put in there. The Non-Navi TSX interior looked too bland but the Navi version looked sweet. Interior is obviously a step down from the TL given the rpice difference but nice nonetheless. I am personally interested in buying one in before the end of the year. The TL is sweet looking car, great interior look and feel, very nice for a mid 30k car... but i'm not in the market for those :D definitely better than Lex ES330.
I just glanced to the SUV models since i'm not really interested. Acura MDX and Lex RX series were the nicest of the bunch. Blargh on the Nissan Murano, Infiniti FX. While the nissan and Infiniti has a nice body styling, the interior was nothing compared to the Acura or Lex.

I did not venture much to the Domestic car section and just by sitting on the pontiac and Mercury cars, i already lose interest in the low grade interiors and finicky controls.

As you can see GT, i'm more into the looks of the car and interior than the mechanical aspect of them, except for knowing they have decent power of course :D