Atkins: it's only water weight your losing. HUH?

[PlatinumGold]

WTF does that mean?? isn't water a big component of fat? if your fat cells are giving up water, isn't that a GOOD thing??

the way i always understood it, you are born with a certain number of and ratio of cells, fat cells, muscle cells etc. you cannot increase the NUMBER of cells but you can increase the SIZE of these cells. so during the induction phase of Atkins, when you are losing "just water weight", isn't that a significant part of the fat that you want to lose?

reducing the size of fat cells is not a bad thing. that's the point of any diet regimen.

 

[bradruth]

Well you need a certain amount of water...and if you go off the diet it'll just come right back.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: bradruth
Well you need a certain amount of water...and if you go off the diet it'll just come right back.

if you go off any diet it comes back.

the point of atkins induction phase for me is a shot in the arm. it forces me to rethink myself and seeing myself lose 20 lbs over a 2 week period is very very encouraging. mb others don't need that kind of a mental boost, but i do.

obviously if after my 2 week initiation phase i go back to the exact same lifestyle i had before it, i will gain it back, but that's true of ANY diet.

 

[fyleow]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
WTF does that mean?? isn't water a big component of fat? if your fat cells are giving up water, isn't that a GOOD thing??

the way i always understood it, you are born with a certain number of and ratio of cells, fat cells, muscle cells etc. you cannot increase the NUMBER of cells but you can increase the SIZE of these cells. so during the induction phase of Atkins, when you are losing "just water weight", isn't that a significant part of the fat that you want to lose?

reducing the size of fat cells is not a bad thing. that's the point of any diet regimen.

From what my physiology teacher said it is possible to reduce the number of fat cells in your body. They starve and then die.

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: bradruth
Well you need a certain amount of water...and if you go off the diet it'll just come right back.

if you go off any diet it comes back.

the point of atkins induction phase for me is a shot in the arm. it forces me to rethink myself and seeing myself lose 20 lbs over a 2 week period is very very encouraging. mb others don't need that kind of a mental boost, but i do.

obviously if after my 2 week initiation phase i go back to the exact same lifestyle i had before it, i will gain it back, but that's true of ANY diet.

You may be right. I honestly don't know too much about Atkins (or as a local Subway dubbed it--Adkins) or dieting in general, so I'd be best served to slowly back out of this thread...

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: fyleow

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
WTF does that mean?? isn't water a big component of fat? if your fat cells are giving up water, isn't that a GOOD thing??

the way i always understood it, you are born with a certain number of and ratio of cells, fat cells, muscle cells etc. you cannot increase the NUMBER of cells but you can increase the SIZE of these cells. so during the induction phase of Atkins, when you are losing "just water weight", isn't that a significant part of the fat that you want to lose?

reducing the size of fat cells is not a bad thing. that's the point of any diet regimen.

From what my physiology teacher said it is possible to reduce the number of fat cells in your body. They starve and then die.

They don't starve, you starve, and they get consumed.

 

[TheBDB]

I thought they were talking about the ~7 lbs of sugar water that is stored in your liver.

 

[SludgeFactory]

The water is bound up with glycogen, not fat. In the initial days of the diet you are burning up your glycogen stores and as a consequence dumping water that was tied up with it. Subsequently ketosis ensues.

Fat cells can be increased, particularly during puberty. Yet another reason why allowing yourself to ever get very fat is a really bad idea. Reducing fat cells without extraneous help is a new one on me. Link?

 

[DrNoobie]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
WTF does that mean?? isn't water a big component of fat? if your fat cells are giving up water, isn't that a GOOD thing??

the way i always understood it, you are born with a certain number of and ratio of cells, fat cells, muscle cells etc. you cannot increase the NUMBER of cells but you can increase the SIZE of these cells. so during the induction phase of Atkins, when you are losing "just water weight", isn't that a significant part of the fat that you want to lose?

reducing the size of fat cells is not a bad thing. that's the point of any diet regimen.

You aren't born with a set number of fat cell, muscle cells, or liver cells. More cells can be created as needed, or cells can die off.

 

[fyleow]

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
The water is bound up with glycogen, not fat. In the initial days of the diet you are burning up your glycogen stores and as a consequence dumping water that was tied up with it. Subsequently ketosis ensues.

Fat cells can be increased, particularly during puberty. Yet another reason why allowing yourself to ever get very fat is a really bad idea. Reducing fat cells without extraneous help is a new one on me. Link?

My physio teacher talks about it all the time, no link about the fat cell reduction part. I wouldn't put much faith in what she says though...

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: DrNoobie

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
WTF does that mean?? isn't water a big component of fat? if your fat cells are giving up water, isn't that a GOOD thing??

the way i always understood it, you are born with a certain number of and ratio of cells, fat cells, muscle cells etc. you cannot increase the NUMBER of cells but you can increase the SIZE of these cells. so during the induction phase of Atkins, when you are losing "just water weight", isn't that a significant part of the fat that you want to lose?

reducing the size of fat cells is not a bad thing. that's the point of any diet regimen.

You aren't born with a set number of fat cell, muscle cells, or liver cells. More cells can be created as needed, or cells can die off.

muscle cells and brain cells are a relativly constant number. you loose

 

[DrNoobie]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: DrNoobie

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
WTF does that mean?? isn't water a big component of fat? if your fat cells are giving up water, isn't that a GOOD thing??

the way i always understood it, you are born with a certain number of and ratio of cells, fat cells, muscle cells etc. you cannot increase the NUMBER of cells but you can increase the SIZE of these cells. so during the induction phase of Atkins, when you are losing "just water weight", isn't that a significant part of the fat that you want to lose?

reducing the size of fat cells is not a bad thing. that's the point of any diet regimen.

You aren't born with a set number of fat cell, muscle cells, or liver cells. More cells can be created as needed, or cells can die off.

muscle cells and brain cells are a relativly constant number. you loose

Connected neurons are set in their number (though a new study shows that antidepressants may help connect unconnect neurons), muscle cells, however, are not. There are satellite cells repair damaged muscle cells, then proliferate and differentiate into myoblasts that attatch to existing muscle fibers, creating new nuclei and DNA for new muscle cells to form from.

You lose.

 

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: DrNoobie

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: DrNoobie

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
WTF does that mean?? isn't water a big component of fat? if your fat cells are giving up water, isn't that a GOOD thing??

the way i always understood it, you are born with a certain number of and ratio of cells, fat cells, muscle cells etc. you cannot increase the NUMBER of cells but you can increase the SIZE of these cells. so during the induction phase of Atkins, when you are losing "just water weight", isn't that a significant part of the fat that you want to lose?

reducing the size of fat cells is not a bad thing. that's the point of any diet regimen.

You aren't born with a set number of fat cell, muscle cells, or liver cells. More cells can be created as needed, or cells can die off.

muscle cells and brain cells are a relativly constant number. you loose

Connected neurons are set in their number (though a new study shows that antidepressants may help connect unconnect neurons), muscle cells, however, are not. There are satellite cells repair damaged muscle cells, then proliferate and differentiate into myoblasts that attatch to existing muscle fibers, creating new nuclei and DNA for new muscle cells to form from.

You lose.

Owned.

(Good job, from another pre-med )

 

[sonambulo]

Originally posted by: DrNoobie
Connected neurons are set in their number (though a new study shows that antidepressants may help connect unconnect neurons), muscle cells, however, are not. There are satellite cells repair damaged muscle cells, then proliferate and differentiate into myoblasts that attatch to existing muscle fibers, creating new nuclei and DNA for new muscle cells to form from.

You lose.

They call this hyperplasia. The holy grail of bodybuilding. Well done, DrNoobie. Well done, indeed.

 

[rezinn]

Fat is oxidized partly to water, and so losing fat is technically losing water (just barely). And fat cells do die when they are not needed, just like any other cell may. The weight of glycogen compared to the water required to store it is about 1:1 in the liver. The fraction of water from fat is much lower.

And yes, cell number varies with age and fitness, especially (in older people) skeletal muscles and the cells inervating them atrophy and fat cells become more numerous.

 

[olds]

For six months I've been on this meat-based Atkins diet, and although I'm losing weight, it's beginning to get difficult to stick to the diet. Before too long, I'll have to move on to another town to find more Atkinses.

 

[TekChik]

<snort>

i had to read that twice...but then came the <snort>

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: DrNoobie

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
WTF does that mean?? isn't water a big component of fat? if your fat cells are giving up water, isn't that a GOOD thing??

the way i always understood it, you are born with a certain number of and ratio of cells, fat cells, muscle cells etc. you cannot increase the NUMBER of cells but you can increase the SIZE of these cells. so during the induction phase of Atkins, when you are losing "just water weight", isn't that a significant part of the fat that you want to lose?

reducing the size of fat cells is not a bad thing. that's the point of any diet regimen.

You aren't born with a set number of fat cell, muscle cells, or liver cells. More cells can be created as needed, or cells can die off.

you most certainly are born with a fixed number of fat cells. they simply expand when you gain weight.

you do lose fat when you are on atkins, this is why urine has a high concentration of ketones

 

[TwinkleToes77]

Originally posted by: fyleow

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
WTF does that mean?? isn't water a big component of fat? if your fat cells are giving up water, isn't that a GOOD thing??

the way i always understood it, you are born with a certain number of and ratio of cells, fat cells, muscle cells etc. you cannot increase the NUMBER of cells but you can increase the SIZE of these cells. so during the induction phase of Atkins, when you are losing "just water weight", isn't that a significant part of the fat that you want to lose?

reducing the size of fat cells is not a bad thing. that's the point of any diet regimen.

From what my physiology teacher said it is possible to reduce the number of fat cells in your body. They starve and then die.

or they can get lipo'ed out.

 

[kt]