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US breadmakers hold crisis talks over impact of Atkins diet



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[Red Dawn]

Maybe if they made their bread healthier they wouldn't have anything to worry about. Of course them worrying about the Lardasses on Atkins is foolish as the vast majority of them usually fall off the wagon after a month or so!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe if they made their bread healthier they wouldn't have anything to worry about. Of course them worrying about the Lardasses on Atkins is foolish as the vast majority of them usually fall off the wagon after a month or so!

Flour, salt, yeast and water.


How do you make that "healthier"? Take out the flour?

 

[SuperTool]

I almost feel bad for them. Almost. Maybe if they came out with low carb bread, I would eat it
Of course the europeans might eat more bread, but they probably don't count all the donuts, twinkies, cookies, bars, pretzels, crackers etc as bread for that argument.

 

[rjain]

Low carb bread is like low fat oil.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe if they made their bread healthier they wouldn't have anything to worry about. Of course them worrying about the Lardasses on Atkins is foolish as the vast majority of them usually fall off the wagon after a month or so!

Flour, salt, yeast and water.


How do you make that "healthier"? Take out the flour?

Yeah and throw in some Rocks and Pebbles for Fiber and name it "Colon Blow!"

 

[rjain]

As a bonus, sales of Preparation H will skyrocket.

 

[SuperTool]

The problem is the current nutritional establishment has failed the people. All these nutrition majors, and look at Americans.
Now Atkins is offering an approach.
It's not perfect, but it works. At the very least it makes you think about what you eat. The problem with bread is that it's easy to eat a lot of it. I can sit down and eat half a loaf of bread in one sitting. Not to mention cookies, pizza, etc.
It's easy to eat half a pizza. Meat is less accessible. You have to cook it. So once you cook a portion, if you want more, you have to cook the second one. So there is a barrier to eating more. Bread, you just grab another slice.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe if they made their bread healthier they wouldn't have anything to worry about. Of course them worrying about the Lardasses on Atkins is foolish as the vast majority of them usually fall off the wagon after a month or so!

Flour, salt, yeast and water.


How do you make that "healthier"? Take out the flour?

Take out the processed, bleached flour.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
The problem is the current nutritional establishment has failed the people. All these nutrition majors, and look at Americans.
Now Atkins is offering an approach.
It's not perfect, but it works. At the very least it makes you think about what you eat. The problem with bread is that it's easy to eat a lot of it. I can sit down and eat half a loaf of bread in one sitting. Not to mention cookies, pizza, etc.
It's easy to eat half a pizza. Meat is less accessible. You have to cook it. So once you cook a portion, if you want more, you have to cook the second one. So there is a barrier to eating more. Bread, you just grab another slice.

You know what works better? An Hour of Cardiovascular Exercise each day. I do it and I can eat anything I want without getting fat! Of course I do watch what I eat, I watch it go into my mouth.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe if they made their bread healthier they wouldn't have anything to worry about. Of course them worrying about the Lardasses on Atkins is foolish as the vast majority of them usually fall off the wagon after a month or so!

Flour, salt, yeast and water.


How do you make that "healthier"? Take out the flour?

Take out the processed, bleached flour.

I'll one up you...

use sprouted wheat.

I love this stuff, especially the California Style Complete Protein Bread

Atkin's bread tastes like garbage next to this stuff. I get it through my health food co-op for $2.38 a loaf.

Red Dawn: what you say has some merit. Exercise is the #1 factor in good health. However, good diet is the #2 factor. If you exercise lots, but then still play the insulin game, you are gonna have issues later in life.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe if they made their bread healthier they wouldn't have anything to worry about. Of course them worrying about the Lardasses on Atkins is foolish as the vast majority of them usually fall off the wagon after a month or so!

Flour, salt, yeast and water.


How do you make that "healthier"? Take out the flour?

Take out the processed, bleached flour.

I'll one up you...

use sprouted wheat.

I love this stuff, especially the California Style Complete Protein Bread

Atkin's bread tastes like garbage next to this stuff. I get it through my health food co-op for $2.38 a loaf.

Red Dawn: what you say has some merit. Exercise is the #1 factor in good health. However, good diet is the #2 factor. If you exercise lots, but then still play the insulin game, you are gonna have issues later in life.

You are right. I usually eat Chicken at least 3 times a week or more and try to only ingest carbs in the form of Veggies and bread with a Sandwich (though I do have a Cookie or a Piece of Pie occasionally)

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SuperTool
The problem is the current nutritional establishment has failed the people. All these nutrition majors, and look at Americans.
Now Atkins is offering an approach.
It's not perfect, but it works. At the very least it makes you think about what you eat. The problem with bread is that it's easy to eat a lot of it. I can sit down and eat half a loaf of bread in one sitting. Not to mention cookies, pizza, etc.
It's easy to eat half a pizza. Meat is less accessible. You have to cook it. So once you cook a portion, if you want more, you have to cook the second one. So there is a barrier to eating more. Bread, you just grab another slice.

You know what works better? An Hour of Cardiovascular Exercise each day. I do it and I can eat anything I want without getting fat! Of course I do watch what I eat, I watch it go into my mouth.

I bike 16 miles a day as my commute. That's about an hour of cardio.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SuperTool
The problem is the current nutritional establishment has failed the people. All these nutrition majors, and look at Americans.
Now Atkins is offering an approach.
It's not perfect, but it works. At the very least it makes you think about what you eat. The problem with bread is that it's easy to eat a lot of it. I can sit down and eat half a loaf of bread in one sitting. Not to mention cookies, pizza, etc.
It's easy to eat half a pizza. Meat is less accessible. You have to cook it. So once you cook a portion, if you want more, you have to cook the second one. So there is a barrier to eating more. Bread, you just grab another slice.

You know what works better? An Hour of Cardiovascular Exercise each day. I do it and I can eat anything I want without getting fat! Of course I do watch what I eat, I watch it go into my mouth.

I bike 16 miles a day as my commute. That's about an hour of cardio.

That would be taking your life in your own hands here in Boston.

 

[Wag]

I think bacon flour is sorely needed...

 

[Zebo]

Would some be kind enough to surmmise the Atkins deit in a paragraph? My understanding it's eat meat.. Cattle eat corn/grains which can be planted on wheat fields. Perhaps they should diversify? Our caloric intake is probably similar and the cattle bring it to us less effiectly than eating the corn/grain directly since they lose much of the energy though heat and living. Thus more not less planting.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Would some be kind enough to surmmise the Atkins deit in a paragraph? My understanding it's eat meat.. Cattle eat corn/grains which can be planted on wheat fields. Perhaps they should diversify? Our caloric intake is probably similar and the cattle bring it to us less effiectly than eating the corn/grain directly since they lose much of the energy though heat and living. Thus more not less planting.

Zebo,

How about in a sentence? Atkins is eat meats/fats exclusively initially, get into ketosis, then phase back in some carbs.

I for one, think Atkins is effective at weight loss, but not as effective as "being healthy" i.e. preventing cancers and heart disease.

Other notes

- Cows (or any grazing animal) are not naturally intended to eat grains. They are intended to eat grass. Totally changes their fat composition (omega 3 vs omega 9). Grass/vegtable fed animals are much healthier for you
- There's some argument about whether humans are naturally intended to eat grains. I tend to think we are, but limited and in their natural form. Google the "paleolithic diet"

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SuperTool
The problem is the current nutritional establishment has failed the people. All these nutrition majors, and look at Americans.
Now Atkins is offering an approach.
It's not perfect, but it works. At the very least it makes you think about what you eat. The problem with bread is that it's easy to eat a lot of it. I can sit down and eat half a loaf of bread in one sitting. Not to mention cookies, pizza, etc.
It's easy to eat half a pizza. Meat is less accessible. You have to cook it. So once you cook a portion, if you want more, you have to cook the second one. So there is a barrier to eating more. Bread, you just grab another slice.

You know what works better? An Hour of Cardiovascular Exercise each day. I do it and I can eat anything I want without getting fat! Of course I do watch what I eat, I watch it go into my mouth.

I bike 16 miles a day as my commute. That's about an hour of cardio.

That would be taking your life in your own hands here in Boston.

Lucky for me I am in Sunnyvale Relatively warm, and bike lanes all over the place. Not to mention more mellow CA drivers.
Not sure if I would be biking to work in winter if I was on East coast.

 

[SuperTool]

The problem in US is people like their food surrounded by bread so they don't get their fingers dirty. So they put two slices of bread around everything. So basically they are eating lots of bread basically as packaging material. I remember back in Russia, a sandwich was some meat and cheese on one slice of bread, though my parents always made me eat bread with every meal.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SuperTool
The problem is the current nutritional establishment has failed the people. All these nutrition majors, and look at Americans.
Now Atkins is offering an approach.
It's not perfect, but it works. At the very least it makes you think about what you eat. The problem with bread is that it's easy to eat a lot of it. I can sit down and eat half a loaf of bread in one sitting. Not to mention cookies, pizza, etc.
It's easy to eat half a pizza. Meat is less accessible. You have to cook it. So once you cook a portion, if you want more, you have to cook the second one. So there is a barrier to eating more. Bread, you just grab another slice.

You know what works better? An Hour of Cardiovascular Exercise each day. I do it and I can eat anything I want without getting fat! Of course I do watch what I eat, I watch it go into my mouth.

I bike 16 miles a day as my commute. That's about an hour of cardio.

That would be taking your life in your own hands here in Boston.

Lucky for me I am in Sunnyvale Relatively warm, and bike lanes all over the place. Not to mention more mellow CA drivers.
Not sure if I would be biking to work in winter if I was on East coast.

Man I love Sunnyvale. People who knock CA have never been there obviously. I also love Saratoga and Los Gatos. Unfortunately I am here in freeze your ass off Boston. While it's better than living in Podunk Midwest it's not Sunny CA.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Zebo
Would some be kind enough to surmmise the Atkins deit in a paragraph? My understanding it's eat meat.. Cattle eat corn/grains which can be planted on wheat fields. Perhaps they should diversify? Our caloric intake is probably similar and the cattle bring it to us less effiectly than eating the corn/grain directly since they lose much of the energy though heat and living. Thus more not less planting.

Zebo,

How about in a sentence? Atkins is eat meats/fats exclusively initially, get into ketosis, then phase back in some carbs.

I for one, think Atkins is effective at weight loss, but not as effective as "being healthy" i.e. preventing cancers and heart disease.

Other notes

- Cows (or any grazing animal) are not naturally intended to eat grains. They are intended to eat grass. Totally changes their fat composition (omega 3 vs omega 9). Grass/vegtable fed animals are much healthier for you
- There's some argument about whether humans are naturally intended to eat grains. I tend to think we are, but limited and in their natural form. Google the "paleolithic diet"

Atkins is hard core.. I followed south beach for awile..similar but slower. Now I eat anything but for foods containing any chemicals other than citric acid.. Seems to exclude tons of unheathful foods this way and forces more cooking. Anyway..

Cattle are eating corn/grains pretty much exclusivly thier last 8mo I heard.. where they grow from 1200 to 2500 lbs of nice juicy marbled meat. I guess this is unheathful too?
Where can you find cattle not raised in a corn feed stock yard?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Zebo
Would some be kind enough to surmmise the Atkins deit in a paragraph? My understanding it's eat meat.. Cattle eat corn/grains which can be planted on wheat fields. Perhaps they should diversify? Our caloric intake is probably similar and the cattle bring it to us less effiectly than eating the corn/grain directly since they lose much of the energy though heat and living. Thus more not less planting.

Zebo,

How about in a sentence? Atkins is eat meats/fats exclusively initially, get into ketosis, then phase back in some carbs.

I for one, think Atkins is effective at weight loss, but not as effective as "being healthy" i.e. preventing cancers and heart disease.

Other notes

- Cows (or any grazing animal) are not naturally intended to eat grains. They are intended to eat grass. Totally changes their fat composition (omega 3 vs omega 9). Grass/vegtable fed animals are much healthier for you
- There's some argument about whether humans are naturally intended to eat grains. I tend to think we are, but limited and in their natural form. Google the "paleolithic diet"

Atkins is hard core.. I followed south beach for awile..similar but slower. Now I eat anything but for foods containing any chemicals other than citric acid.. Seems to exclude tons of unheathful foods this way and forces more cooking. Anyway..

Cattle are eating corn/grains pretty much exclusivly thier last 8mo I heard.. where they grow from 1200 to 2500 lbs of nice juicy marbled meat. I guess this is unheathful too?
Where can you find cattle not raised in a corn feed stock yard?

You are correct, they often start out on grass, then they "fatten up" before going to market.

Deer, Elk, Moose are all execellent naturally fed animals But with a little work you can usually find local farmers that raise grass-fed cattle. *some* health food stores sell it, but again it's a rip off. And bison are an excellent meat, very healthy. Depends where you live. Unfortunately all the places on the internet are *much more* expensive (i.e. $5-$10/lb + shipping) than a local provider.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe if they made their bread healthier they wouldn't have anything to worry about. Of course them worrying about the Lardasses on Atkins is foolish as the vast majority of them usually fall off the wagon after a month or so!

Flour, salt, yeast and water.


How do you make that "healthier"? Take out the flour?

Yeah and throw in some Rocks and Pebbles for Fiber and name it "Colon Blow!"

That sounds more like the breakfast cereal Quarry than Colon Blow.

 

[zephyrprime]

Take out the processed, bleached flour.

People like bleached flour. Have you looked at a grocery store bread isle? They already make whole wheat bread. And besides, atkins would still have a problem with whole wheat bread because whole wheat is still primarily carbs.

 

[Wag]

People still eat Wonder bread, which amazes me. Refined flour and Crisco (hydrogenated fat). Go figure.

There was a funny bit on Energy Bars/Atkins last night on the Daily Show. It's linked right off the front page in the blue "What's New" box.
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