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ATIs Overheating With Catalyst 3.8 Drivers?
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I had some serious probs with the 3.8s, but now that it's fixed I'm leaning towards the supposition that it was caused by my installing them while o/c'd (2.4 -> 3.36). I had lots of BSODs that seemed to be between my 9700Pro and Logitech software. I thought for sure I'd hosed my card with all these threads floating around, but everything seems back to normal.
Noid
Platinum Member
I be damned ... If you guys look at the thread here about the '3.8 released' thread ... I made very similar observations just a few hours after release,,, and also about longer time for W2K to load also (look at Abit forums for complaints about that also)
I didnt think that it was true !
(even though a imaged back to 3.7 anyway)
I didnt think that it was true !
(even though a imaged back to 3.7 anyway)
fiction, if ati cant reproduce the bug, or find it, then it does not exist, they made it, they would know, and the temp increase is no where near 10C.
Ati says:
1) Overheating: We have spent a great deal of time analyzing the temperatures due to the CATALYST 3.8 drivers. We do not under any circumstance see anything near a 10 degree Celsius increase in temperature (but we don?t overclock our test cards either). We do see a slight increase in temperature in certain cases (3Dmark2003 Nature Scene for example). However any temperature increase is well within our safety range. Investigation continues and we are trying to determine why this change in temperature exits
2) Monitors: We have spent a great deal of time trying to reproduce this problem and analyzing the driver code. There is nothing to be found. At this point we are working very closely with an ATI Beta Tester who experienced a monitor loss. There have been zero reports in our customer support of monitors dying.
Ati says:
1) Overheating: We have spent a great deal of time analyzing the temperatures due to the CATALYST 3.8 drivers. We do not under any circumstance see anything near a 10 degree Celsius increase in temperature (but we don?t overclock our test cards either). We do see a slight increase in temperature in certain cases (3Dmark2003 Nature Scene for example). However any temperature increase is well within our safety range. Investigation continues and we are trying to determine why this change in temperature exits
2) Monitors: We have spent a great deal of time trying to reproduce this problem and analyzing the driver code. There is nothing to be found. At this point we are working very closely with an ATI Beta Tester who experienced a monitor loss. There have been zero reports in our customer support of monitors dying.
nemesismk2
Diamond Member
180+ cases point to there being something very wrong with the latest drivers.
Well... technically I think its pretty impossible to fry any newer monitor because of the overscan protection built into pretty well every monitor in the last 5 years (about 17" or larger)
There is a chip inside each monitor that controls the maximum frequency at which the CRT can run at...
Now heres a possibility:
People who use refurbished monitors may have a chipboard that has a higher rating than the CRT it is on (Refurbs often mix and match printed circuit boards and CRTS)
When the ATi VPU recover kicks in, it goes back to the default hz rating, which if you have hacked it (with a refresh rate hack or a tweaker) will cause it to drop to the desktop (usually higher resolution) but at the same frequency... IE: If you were playing a game that was 800x600 at 100hz, and it crashed you would hit your desktop at say 1600x1200 but stay at 100hz (because of the crash condition) the refurb chips inside the monitor might let that speed pass through, but the CRT would not be able to take it. This would explain why a couple hundred people out of a few million ATi owners have a problem, but I would totally blame the refurb monitor guy first.
There is a chip inside each monitor that controls the maximum frequency at which the CRT can run at...
Now heres a possibility:
People who use refurbished monitors may have a chipboard that has a higher rating than the CRT it is on (Refurbs often mix and match printed circuit boards and CRTS)
When the ATi VPU recover kicks in, it goes back to the default hz rating, which if you have hacked it (with a refresh rate hack or a tweaker) will cause it to drop to the desktop (usually higher resolution) but at the same frequency... IE: If you were playing a game that was 800x600 at 100hz, and it crashed you would hit your desktop at say 1600x1200 but stay at 100hz (because of the crash condition) the refurb chips inside the monitor might let that speed pass through, but the CRT would not be able to take it. This would explain why a couple hundred people out of a few million ATi owners have a problem, but I would totally blame the refurb monitor guy first.
bandana163
Diamond Member
A newer monitor just says "Out of sync" and no accidents can happen.
Refurb chips???
If the driver can't increase voltages and frequencies, no overheating should occour.
Refurb chips???
If the driver can't increase voltages and frequencies, no overheating should occour.
Maddscientist
Senior member
This is almost like saying "I just started pumping Chevron gas instead of my usual AmPm and now my car is overheating!"
This whole myth is really stupid the drivers dont tell the fan to stop spinning or slow down? Simply does not seem possible to me for a driver to raise temprature? Now mabye if somebody had flashed their bios prevously as many people have done and that raises the core voltage then perhaps the fan on that card ie 9800nonpro now takes a dip in speed since some voltage was cut from it and is not rerouted to the core? Theory #1001
This whole myth is really stupid the drivers dont tell the fan to stop spinning or slow down? Simply does not seem possible to me for a driver to raise temprature? Now mabye if somebody had flashed their bios prevously as many people have done and that raises the core voltage then perhaps the fan on that card ie 9800nonpro now takes a dip in speed since some voltage was cut from it and is not rerouted to the core? Theory #1001
Actually, you guys are incorrect, the Cat 3.8s have a feature called Overdrive, which 'safely' overclocks the card based on heat, but will never drop its speed below the stock clock.
Personally, I highly doubt a 15 degree farenheidt increase for what amounts to 30Mhz. I haven't seen loads of threads here at anandtech about it, although it is mentioned once or twice. If this is occurring primarily on "Powered By" parts, then my bet is that the other manufacturers aren't adhering to an ATI spec somewhere. If this is occurring uniform across the board, then something is obviously to blame with the chipset or the approach these people used. Considering that there's only 180 reported cases, that is likely less than 2% of all cards, and could be related to something in QA that should've caught them as bad cards, but didn't.
Too many variables, however, I am definitely interested in hearing what it turns out to be.
Personally, I highly doubt a 15 degree farenheidt increase for what amounts to 30Mhz. I haven't seen loads of threads here at anandtech about it, although it is mentioned once or twice. If this is occurring primarily on "Powered By" parts, then my bet is that the other manufacturers aren't adhering to an ATI spec somewhere. If this is occurring uniform across the board, then something is obviously to blame with the chipset or the approach these people used. Considering that there's only 180 reported cases, that is likely less than 2% of all cards, and could be related to something in QA that should've caught them as bad cards, but didn't.
Too many variables, however, I am definitely interested in hearing what it turns out to be.
The Dets certainly do with my FX5800ultra, on some versions of the drivers I can even force the fan to stay on high.
jiffylube1024
Diamond Member
Yeah but that's a necessity with the FX5800. You can't have that hairdryer blowing on the highest setting all of the time; it would drive you nuts!
But the drivers do control the fan correct? BTW, those settings work with 5900 series cards I believe with a particular driver version.
Overdrive is only for the XT's.
http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28844
He did a test, the 3.8's are the same as the 3.7's.
Yet more rumors spreading that are untrue, and unproven 🙄
Maddscientist
Senior member
Good point it would appear so.....?
Maddscientist
Senior member
Your kidding right? 180 Reported problems with one driver release......Yah its horrible beyond belief.
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