ATIs AVIVO technology

[entropy1982]

I was just reading on ATIs website about AVIVO.... I actually plan to use my PC as a PVR to copy stuff from my cablebox (which actually receives HDTV).... maybe instead of buying a 7800GTX, should i look into the R520 since the extra money would go into buying a Hauppage 150 or something? Also, would this slow down the card in anyway during games if I will be recording something?

Thanks

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: entropy1982
I was just reading on ATIs website about AVIVO.... I actually plan to use my PC as a PVR to copy stuff from my cablebox (which actually receives HDTV).... maybe instead of buying a 7800GTX, should i look into the R520 since the extra money would go into buying a Hauppage 150 or something? Also, would this slow down the card in anyway during games if I will be recording something?

Thanks

Its hard to say without the tech actually available and working. HD from a cablebox isn't available on any of the announced AVIVO tech currently (Theater 550 and HDTV Wonder) and Hauppage 150 isn't part of AVIVO at all.

Hardware encoder cards like Hauppage 150 already take few resources when recording in the background, so you don't need AVIVO for that.

 

[entropy1982]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: entropy1982
I was just reading on ATIs website about AVIVO.... I actually plan to use my PC as a PVR to copy stuff from my cablebox (which actually receives HDTV).... maybe instead of buying a 7800GTX, should i look into the R520 since the extra money would go into buying a Hauppage 150 or something? Also, would this slow down the card in anyway during games if I will be recording something?

Thanks

Its hard to say without the tech actually available and working. HD from a cablebox isn't available on any of the announced AVIVO tech currently (Theater 550 and HDTV Wonder) and Hauppage 150 isn't part of AVIVO at all.

Hardware encoder cards like Hauppage 150 already take few resources when recording in the background, so you don't need AVIVO for that.

I think you misunderstood. What i meant is that I wouldn't even need a Hauppage 150 if I got the ATI card because they come with one built in. Is that correct?

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: entropy1982

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: entropy1982
I was just reading on ATIs website about AVIVO.... I actually plan to use my PC as a PVR to copy stuff from my cablebox (which actually receives HDTV).... maybe instead of buying a 7800GTX, should i look into the R520 since the extra money would go into buying a Hauppage 150 or something? Also, would this slow down the card in anyway during games if I will be recording something?

Thanks

Its hard to say without the tech actually available and working. HD from a cablebox isn't available on any of the announced AVIVO tech currently (Theater 550 and HDTV Wonder) and Hauppage 150 isn't part of AVIVO at all.

Hardware encoder cards like Hauppage 150 already take few resources when recording in the background, so you don't need AVIVO for that.

I think you misunderstood. What i meant is that I wouldn't even need a Hauppage 150 if I got the ATI card because they come with one built in. Is that correct?

No they don't. Theater 550 cards are just a part of the AVIVO tech. It won't come on any graphic card yet. You might be mistaking the Xilleon TV decoder onboard the graphic card for Theater 550, but they are differnt components of the whole tech, and will require different components used together for all the AVIVO features.

 

[entropy1982]

No i meant new cards that ATI is releasing (R520)

 

[xtknight]

VIVO doesn't mean it has a TV tuner. AVIVO I thought was just a code name for better deinterlacing, comb filter, H.264 acceleration. AVIVO doesn't mean it has a TV tuner either. R520 won't by default (I'm 99.999999% sure). You need an All in Wonder or other add-in card for tuning. An AVIVO TV tuner just means it meet's ATI's latest standards. R520 is the display (can be as early as the second part of it: Encode) part of their "video pipeline", not the capture (unless you use VIVO). Let me rephrase that: R520 can be everything in that pipeline (described in AT article) if you use VIVO, if you don't, it can be anything from Encode all the way to Display. That is, if the VIVO has the ability to be recorded. Yeah, that was confusing, sorry.

If you want to input HD, you take S-vid out from your HD cable box (tuner) and in to the VIVO port (if you call that HD).

 

[entropy1982]

Originally posted by: xtknight
VIVO doesn't mean it has a TV tuner. AVIVO I thought was just a code name for better deinterlacing, comb filter, H.264 acceleration. AVIVO doesn't mean it has a TV tuner either. R520 won't by default (I'm 99.999999% sure). You need an All in Wonder or other add-in card for tuning. An AVIVO TV tuner just means it meet's ATI's latest standards. R520 is the display (can be as early as the second part of it: Encode) part of their "video pipeline", not the capture (unless you use VIVO). Let me rephrase that: R520 can be everything in that pipeline (described in AT article) if you use VIVO, if you don't, it can be anything from Encode all the way to Display. That is, if the VIVO has the ability to be recorded. Yeah, that was confusing, sorry.

If you want to input HD, you take S-vid out from your HD cable box (tuner) and in to the VIVO port (if you call that HD).

Ok, you obviously know a lot more about this than me... lol

What do you think my setup should be?

Should i get a hauppage 150? or will I not be able to record in HD quality with that?

Basically i want to record HD, what do I need

 

[xtknight]

You'd be better off consulting someone else about VIVO. I've never used it.

OK, since no affordable adapters today input DVI/HDMI or YCbCr (the digital component format), you can't record HD unless you have an HD card. I've heard the DVICO Fusion 5 is good, and if you have the dough the MDP-130 is excellent. The HDTV Wonder is...OK...but get the Fusion 5 Basic instead if you want something cheap. You cannot record HD quality on a Hauppage 150. The electronics have only a NTSC TV tuner. The aforementioned cards have an HDTV ATSC tuner that works with OVER THE AIR ONLY, and some support UNENCRYPTED digital cable.

Setup:

DVICO Fusion 5 / MDP-130 card
Any PVR software (the included one, SageTV, ktv, etc.)
A big hard disk.

If I were you, here's what I'd do:
Use the PVR software's option to record in MPEG-2 transport stream mode (note: BIG hard disk). Then put that through a DivX6 HD or decent H.264 encoder (both may be accelerated by the most primitive R520 card). Delete the transport stream (the big original one) and enjoy your high quality compressed video.

 

[entropy1982]

Originally posted by: xtknight
You'd be better off consulting someone else about VIVO. I've never used it.

OK, since no affordable adapters today input DVI/HDMI or YCbCr (the digital component format), you can't record HD unless you have an HD card. I've heard the DVICO Fusion 5 is good, and if you have the dough the MDP-130 is excellent. The HDTV Wonder is...OK...but get the Fusion 5 Basic instead if you want something cheap. You cannot record HD quality on a Hauppage 150. The electronics have only a NTSC TV tuner. The aforementioned cards have an HDTV ATSC tuner that works with OVER THE AIR ONLY, and some support UNENCRYPTED digital cable.

Setup:

DVICO Fusion 5 / MDP-130 card
Any PVR software (the included one, SageTV, ktv, etc.)
A big hard disk.

If I were you, here's what I'd do:
Use the PVR software's option to record in MPEG-2 transport stream mode (note: BIG hard disk). Then put that through a DivX6 HD or decent H.264 encoder (both may be accelerated by the most primitive R520 card). Delete the transport stream (the big original one) and enjoy your high quality compressed video.

damn... 190 bux... that's steep lol... maybe i should just watch regular tv for 70 bux w the hauppage 150 lol

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: entropy1982

Originally posted by: xtknight
You'd be better off consulting someone else about VIVO. I've never used it.

OK, since no affordable adapters today input DVI/HDMI or YCbCr (the digital component format), you can't record HD unless you have an HD card. I've heard the DVICO Fusion 5 is good, and if you have the dough the MDP-130 is excellent. The HDTV Wonder is...OK...but get the Fusion 5 Basic instead if you want something cheap. You cannot record HD quality on a Hauppage 150. The electronics have only a NTSC TV tuner. The aforementioned cards have an HDTV ATSC tuner that works with OVER THE AIR ONLY, and some support UNENCRYPTED digital cable.

Setup:

DVICO Fusion 5 / MDP-130 card
Any PVR software (the included one, SageTV, ktv, etc.)
A big hard disk.

If I were you, here's what I'd do:
Use the PVR software's option to record in MPEG-2 transport stream mode (note: BIG hard disk). Then put that through a DivX6 HD or decent H.264 encoder (both may be accelerated by the most primitive R520 card). Delete the transport stream (the big original one) and enjoy your high quality compressed video.

damn... 190 bux... that's steep lol... maybe i should just watch regular tv for 70 bux w the hauppage 150 lol

Heh, I paid $300 for my external STB HDTV tuner and I can't record anything digitally. If you want, I'll show you HD inputted through S-Video and put through a couple of filters. It's not too bad, you just don't get the detail of HDTV. Pretty much noise-free. It sure beats ANALog TV. You said you had an HD cable box that tunes HDTV and outputs what?

For digital recording, what about this? http://www.digitalconnection.com/products/video/fusion5lt.asp
http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/products_id/339

Also I could have sworn I saw the Fusion 5 Lite going for $99 somewhere.

Edit: it was because SynthDude said that in this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1689102&enterthread=y

 

[entropy1982]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: entropy1982

Originally posted by: xtknight
You'd be better off consulting someone else about VIVO. I've never used it.

OK, since no affordable adapters today input DVI/HDMI or YCbCr (the digital component format), you can't record HD unless you have an HD card. I've heard the DVICO Fusion 5 is good, and if you have the dough the MDP-130 is excellent. The HDTV Wonder is...OK...but get the Fusion 5 Basic instead if you want something cheap. You cannot record HD quality on a Hauppage 150. The electronics have only a NTSC TV tuner. The aforementioned cards have an HDTV ATSC tuner that works with OVER THE AIR ONLY, and some support UNENCRYPTED digital cable.

Setup:

DVICO Fusion 5 / MDP-130 card
Any PVR software (the included one, SageTV, ktv, etc.)
A big hard disk.

If I were you, here's what I'd do:
Use the PVR software's option to record in MPEG-2 transport stream mode (note: BIG hard disk). Then put that through a DivX6 HD or decent H.264 encoder (both may be accelerated by the most primitive R520 card). Delete the transport stream (the big original one) and enjoy your high quality compressed video.

damn... 190 bux... that's steep lol... maybe i should just watch regular tv for 70 bux w the hauppage 150 lol

Heh, I paid $300 for my external STB HDTV tuner and I can't record anything digitally. If you want, I'll show you HD inputted through S-Video and put through a couple of filters. It's not too bad, you just don't get the detail of HDTV. Pretty much noise-free. It sure beats ANALog TV. You said you had an HD cable box that tunes HDTV and outputs what?

For digital recording, what about this? http://www.digitalconnection.com/products/video/fusion5lt.asp
http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/products_id/339

Also I could have sworn I saw the Fusion 5 Lite going for $89.99 somewhere.

God.... i'm sorry i'm being such a noob at this lol... what's the difference between digital and analog recording exactly? like how would i hook up the digital connection and with what wires? cost? and yea if u could that'd be really cool do you have aim by any chance?

Edit: it's time warner.... i think it's 1080i?

 

[xtknight]

yup, AIM: xtknight

 

[forumposter32]

Hey, is that like a driver you can download? I wonder if my X700 Pro would be able to display the fine quality I found on their web site.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: forumposter32
Hey, is that like a driver you can download? I wonder if my X700 Pro would be able to display the fine quality I found on their web site.

Nope, you have to have a new card for AVIVO.