ATI talks about R600.

[the Chase]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20060525104243.html

No release date. No hard #'s. No price.

But it's gonna be fast!?

Edit- they better get their new marketing company to work pronto!

 

[Dainas]

I getting sick of this blackout on the R600/G80.... Specialy the G80 since the G70 was already well done and just waiting to ship a year ago. I need something with enough juice(let alone ability since crossfire is non-option for me) to do HDR+AA+1600x1200 for oblivion! I want AA back -_-

 

[Sketcher]

However, there may be a slight problem for ATI: Microsoft is not going to release DirectX 10 API for Windows XP, but only for Windows Vista, which may mean that ATI?s R600 hardware will be able to show itself in all its glory only when used in conjunction with Microsoft?s new operating system.

That part ain't gonna fly very well..

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: Sketcher

However, there may be a slight problem for ATI: Microsoft is not going to release DirectX 10 API for Windows XP, but only for Windows Vista, which may mean that ATI?s R600 hardware will be able to show itself in all its glory only when used in conjunction with Microsoft?s new operating system.

That part ain't gonna fly very well..

Nope. Doubly so if game companies look around and go, 'Well crap. We can make this title Vista-only, and restrict ourselves to 5% of all gamers this holiday season. Or do DX9 and tell Microsoft to go bone themselves.' No compelling apps means no compelling reason to descend into Vista DRM hell. Rather catch-22.

So if the R600 is slower in DX9 than current parts it probably won't be a huge success out of the gate.

 

[shabby]

The R600 will be absolutely the fastest DirectX 9 chip that we had ever built

Umm who cares aboot dx9, what about 10?

 

[Ichigo]

Is it that hard for them to make R600 compatible with both DX9 and DX10 and have it use the respective one when in XP or Vista?

 

[Ika]

DX10 is supposed to be a new DirectX, from the ground up, so is actually quite revolutionary in terms of DirectX. I've heard that it is not really backwards-compatible, so running both DX9 and DX10 would be difficult.

 

[CP5670]

It has the same number of TMUs as the X1900s according to that article. Sounds like the card's fillrate might hold it back.

 

[the Chase]

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: Sketcher

However, there may be a slight problem for ATI: Microsoft is not going to release DirectX 10 API for Windows XP, but only for Windows Vista, which may mean that ATI?s R600 hardware will be able to show itself in all its glory only when used in conjunction with Microsoft?s new operating system.

That part ain't gonna fly very well..

Nope. Doubly so if game companies look around and go, 'Well crap. We can make this title Vista-only, and restrict ourselves to 5% of all gamers this holiday season. Or do DX9 and tell Microsoft to go bone themselves.' No compelling apps means no compelling reason to descend into Vista DRM hell. Rather catch-22.

So if the R600 is slower in DX9 than current parts it probably won't be a huge success out of the gate.

I hope it's the second one after hearing Vista may be delayed even farther than Jan. 07.
I wonder what timeframe they are thinking about with this card. They haven't got the R580+ deal out yet so is this even going to hit in 2006?

 

[obeseotron]

DX10 games like Crysis will be compiled to seperate executables for dx10 and dx9. This is both to allow people with Windows XP or people with Vista but without DX10 harware to run the game. No game out for years will require DX10 hardware to run, but it might have features that you won't be able to turn on without it. The PC game market is small enough without limiting it further.

The only vista only game is Halo 2, but that is just a marketing move by microsoft as the Xbox is a DX8.0 machine so anything new in Vista obviously shouldn't be required.

 

[imported_spank]

Originally posted by: obeseotron
The only vista only game is Halo 2, but that is just a marketing move by microsoft as the Xbox is a DX8.0 machine so anything new in Vista obviously shouldn't be required.

Alan Wake is a vista/xbox360 exclusive.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: v8envy

Nope. Doubly so if game companies look around and go, 'Well crap. We can make this title Vista-only, and restrict ourselves to 5% of all gamers this holiday season. Or do DX9 and tell Microsoft to go bone themselves.' No compelling apps means no compelling reason to descend into Vista DRM hell. Rather catch-22.

So if the R600 is slower in DX9 than current parts it probably won't be a huge success out of the gate.

they'll do it the same way graphics cards can run DX9 or DX7 paths right now. not much of a catch 22 if you ask me

 

[Sc4freak]

Originally posted by: Dainas
I getting sick of this blackout on the R600/G80.... Specialy the G80 since the G70 was already well done and just waiting to ship a year ago. I need something with enough juice(let alone ability since crossfire is non-option for me) to do HDR+AA+1600x1200 for oblivion! I want AA back -_-

A single X1900XTX should be able to handle that fine... My X1800XT doesn't quite, but I'm certain that an X1900 could.

 

[Regs]

For the sake of the future of video cards I hope they do more than just simply-- add more. My video card is about half the size of my motherboard and I think that's a little excessive. I'm literally almost severing wires just to get my video card to fit in my case. What monstrosity are they going to slap on next?

Speaking about trends. The World's first computer was the size of a foot ball field. Now something that can fit in the palm of our hands is thousands of times more powerful. The first cell phone was the size of a cinder brick with the battery larger than the actual phone . Now we can talk through wireless head sets in our cars. Video cards on the other hand have being moving in reverse and now becoming almost secondary computers in our case. I think this is a very crude technology considering even a 90nm video core needs a HSF unit three times the size of the one on our CPU.

 

[450R]

No one seems to be truly innovating on the GPU front since Kyro tried tile-based rendering ... instead we're stuck with the typical bigger-is-better crap. Everyone loves having to spend extra money on the cases, PSUs and cooling hardware that these lumbering dinosaurs require.

(What DID happen to Kyro, BTW? Can we see any of their technology in GPUs today?)

 

[obeseotron]

Originally posted by: spank

Originally posted by: obeseotron
The only vista only game is Halo 2, but that is just a marketing move by microsoft as the Xbox is a DX8.0 machine so anything new in Vista obviously shouldn't be required.

Alan Wake is a vista/xbox360 exclusive.

I stand corrected, but Alan Wake is a Microsoft published game also. I'd still call Vista only games a marketing thing. Considering the PR budget for Vista is probably in the half billion dollar range, the lost sales from not having a Windows XP version of these two games is chump change. I'm no Vista-hater, I'll be upgrading immediately, but not because two random games are Vista only.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: Regs
For the sake of the future of video cards I hope they do more than just simply-- add more. My video card is about half the size of my motherboard and I think that's a little excessive. I'm literally almost severing wires just to get my video card to fit in my case. What monstrosity are they going to slap on next?

Speaking about trends. The World's first computer was the size of a foot ball field. Now something that can fit in the palm of our hands is thousands of times more powerful. The first cell phone was the size of a cinder brick with the battery larger than the actual phone . Now we can talk through wireless head sets in our cars. Video cards on the other hand have being moving in reverse and now becoming almost secondary computers in our case. I think this is a very crude technology considering even a 90nm video core needs a HSF unit three times the size of the one on our CPU.

you my friend have never owned a little monstosity called the voodoo 5 5500 agp.