ATI?s Next-Gen Graphics Processors Certified by PCI-SIG. **PLEASE LOCK**

[Lonyo]

Xbitlabs story

Given that the chips were production ready by the 25th of July, 2005, when the PCI-SIG Integrators List was last updated, graphics cards makers may receive final VPUs sometime in August. Sources close to add-in-board partners of ATI confirmed this information earlier to X-bit labs.

So we could see an R520 launch early September/October time depending on how they ramp up production, and not only that, but we could also see some mid range and low end solutions from ATi around/before we see them from nVidia if the RV515/RV530 are ready to go. That would be good for ATi financially, both having new low end products, and having SM3 mid range products, especially if nVidia have little/no answer (since they haven't even launched their second tier high end product yet, the 7800GT)



PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD MODS, KTHX.

 

[mwmorph]

meh, NV is just taking it's time and mikling the 6800 sales to clear out warehouses.
It would be nice if ati would release the mid/lower end to drive 6xxx prices down and force nv to finally release the damn 7600 and 7200.

 

[Creig]

So where are the reviews already?!? Geez, I can understand the need for secrecy during the design phase, but if final revision cards are ready then they MUST have some reference boards laying around they could send out to reviewers.

Come on ATI, throw us a bone here!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Creig
So where are the reviews already?!? Geez, I can understand the need for secrecy during the design phase, but if final revision cards are ready then they MUST have some reference boards laying around they could send out to reviewers.

Come on ATI, throw us a bone here!

i think ati is going to copy nVidia and have everything ready at once . . . reviews and cards ready to ship. IMO, bad move . . . ati should start to leak benchmarks [if they are better than nVidia's].

 

[Soccerman06]

As I have said many times before, it is not the high end that makes the money, it is mostly the low end and a little mid-range that make most of the profits for the graphics company. Just because Nvidia released the 7800GTX doesnt meen they have a huge advantage over the R520 because the 7800GTX makes up only 5-10% of their whole GPU range. And, if the R520 is AGP, then ATI gains over 50% of the market that Nvidia has turned away.

If ATI does have a working and finalized board that doesnt perform up to its expectation, they will wait as long as they can to make a large anticipation. For example, as many have you already noticed, a good 50% of us are waiting for ATI to release the card before we decide on which next-gen card to buy.

 

[Ackmed]

I wouldnt mind a "paper launch", and then a hardware launch next month or whenever. I like seeing new cards, and how they will perform before they come out. Lets you decide in advance if you want the new card.. and save up some money. But some people dont like this, for whatever reason.

I still would have gotten a 7800GTX if they had released reviews a month before it shipped. I could have gotten it the first week it came out.. instead of the second that way.

 

[DRavisher]

Any thoughts on the statement that ATi are not counting on revenue from their 90nm parts in Q4? This from ATi CEO! Doesn't exactly sound like they will have wide availability like G70 (which would likely result in some ATi bashing from reviewers). Anyone have any updated info on this? Just seems very strange to me. ATi simply must get their cards out in mass by mid Q4, or they may be in for some trouble when mainstream G70 parts arrive.

 

[imported_Kensai]

Let's hope we can see some results soon.

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: DRavisher
Any thoughts on the statement that ATi are not counting on revenue from their 90nm parts in Q4? This from ATi CEO! Doesn't exactly sound like they will have wide availability like G70 (which would likely result in some ATi bashing from reviewers). Anyone have any updated info on this? Just seems very strange to me. ATi simply must get their cards out in mass by mid Q4, or they may be in for some trouble when mainstream G70 parts arrive.

Q4 for profits != Q4 in the way we think. He means that ATi is not relying on their new parts to carry them through the rest of the year, which is just a catious approach.

 

[CP5670]

And, if the R520 is AGP, then ATI gains over 50% of the market that Nvidia has turned away.

yeah, they will be getting my money if they can release an AGP competitor to the 7800GTX before the end of the year.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
As I have said many times before, it is not the high end that makes the money, it is mostly the low end and a little mid-range that make most of the profits for the graphics company. Just because Nvidia released the 7800GTX doesnt meen they have a huge advantage over the R520 because the 7800GTX makes up only 5-10% of their whole GPU range. And, if the R520 is AGP, then ATI gains over 50% of the market that Nvidia has turned away.

If ATI does have a working and finalized board that doesnt perform up to its expectation, they will wait as long as they can to make a large anticipation. For example, as many have you already noticed, a good 50% of us are waiting for ATI to release the card before we decide on which next-gen card to buy.

the high end may not be the moneymaker, but it does make a huge difference in the rest of the product line to OEMs = they want the 'winner' in their rigs . . . not the loser [runner-up]

i ain't waiting on ati . . . i'm just waiting for prices to drop [period]

and don't think for a second that we will not see AGP 7800GTXes if nVidia thinks ATI is grabbing any of their new gained marketshare.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: remagavon

Originally posted by: DRavisher
Any thoughts on the statement that ATi are not counting on revenue from their 90nm parts in Q4? This from ATi CEO! Doesn't exactly sound like they will have wide availability like G70 (which would likely result in some ATi bashing from reviewers). Anyone have any updated info on this? Just seems very strange to me. ATi simply must get their cards out in mass by mid Q4, or they may be in for some trouble when mainstream G70 parts arrive.

Q4 for profits != Q4 in the way we think. He means that ATi is not relying on their new parts to carry them through the rest of the year, which is just a catious approach.

Plus it depends on what they call their Q4 financially, and how closely it matches the real Q4 (ie: it could be Sept/Oct/Nov, in which case an October release wouldn't help their Q4 numbers).

 

[5150Joker]

If the R520 is 32 pipelines and beats the 7800 GTX by ~20% I'll sell my 7800 GTX and buy one. If it's only 24 pipes and beats the GTX by 10% or less, I won't bother and will just buy another 7800 GTX for SLI. I'm hoping it's a 32 pipe card and does exceptionally well but I have major doubts at this point - besides ATi's refusal to come up with a DV equivalent really irks me since I love that feature.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: CP5670

And, if the R520 is AGP, then ATI gains over 50% of the market that Nvidia has turned away.

yeah, they will be getting my money if they can release an AGP competitor to the 7800GTX before the end of the year.

Yeah, we need companies to help people keep their obsolete hardware forever......


AGP had a long run-R.I.P..

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: CP5670

And, if the R520 is AGP, then ATI gains over 50% of the market that Nvidia has turned away.

yeah, they will be getting my money if they can release an AGP competitor to the 7800GTX before the end of the year.

Yeah, we need companies to help people keep their obsolete hardware forever......


AGP had a long run-R.I.P..

It still works and is just as fast as PCIe, what's the rush to change the entire world over?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: MDE

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: CP5670

And, if the R520 is AGP, then ATI gains over 50% of the market that Nvidia has turned away.

yeah, they will be getting my money if they can release an AGP competitor to the 7800GTX before the end of the year.

Yeah, we need companies to help people keep their obsolete hardware forever......


AGP had a long run-R.I.P..

It still works and is just as fast as PCIe, what's the rush to change the entire world over?

There was "need" to move from VESA to PCI either, or PCI to AGP, yet we did.

And PCIE is better in that you can have SLI.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: CP5670

And, if the R520 is AGP, then ATI gains over 50% of the market that Nvidia has turned away.

yeah, they will be getting my money if they can release an AGP competitor to the 7800GTX before the end of the year.

Yeah, we need companies to help people keep their obsolete hardware forever......


AGP had a long run-R.I.P..

Hell must have frozen over, I agree with Rollo.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Yeah, we need companies to help people keep their obsolete hardware forever......

AGP had a long run-R.I.P..

Just because you made the move from AGP to PCI-E doesn't mean:

A) Other people have the same wants/needs that you do.
B) AGP's useful lifespan has ended.

The only noticeable advantage of PCI-E over AGP is SLI. If you don't plan to ever use SLI then PCI-E offers no tangible reason to upgrade.

AGP based hardware is far from "obsolete".

 

[xTYBALTx]

Fiscal quarter four ends September 5th.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Rollo
Yeah, we need companies to help people keep their obsolete hardware forever......

AGP had a long run-R.I.P..

Just because you made the move from AGP to PCI-E doesn't mean:

A) Other people have the same wants/needs that you do.
B) AGP's useful lifespan has ended.

The only noticeable advantage of PCI-E over AGP is SLI. If you don't plan to ever use SLI then PCI-E offers no tangible reason to upgrade.

AGP based hardware is far from "obsolete".

If the industry has moved forward and deemed AGP obsolete then it is dead. The fact that you feel it doesn't offer a tangible gain over AGP is irrelevant. Like he pointed out, we moved from PCI to AGP and are now making the transition from AGP to PCI-e (which has been going on for over a year now). May AGP R.I.P.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: CP5670

And, if the R520 is AGP, then ATI gains over 50% of the market that Nvidia has turned away.

yeah, they will be getting my money if they can release an AGP competitor to the 7800GTX before the end of the year.

Yeah, we need companies to help people keep their obsolete hardware forever......


AGP had a long run-R.I.P..

Speaking of, hows that 50+ year old tech CRT treating you?

 

[g3pro]

Frankly, ATi has been dead in the water for the past 6 months. I say good riddance and bring on the companies who can design a card worth a damn.

 

[hans030390]

Well, ATI isn't dead if thats what you mean. They still have a good hold on the graphics community. Of course, Nvidia has pulled quite a bit ahead lately.

Still, I'm impressed with the R520 series (from the rumors, specs, info, etc) and I wouldnt doubt if they end up being better than the Nvidia cards. I do think that the 7 series will beat them in sales though, but i could be wrong.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
If the industry has moved forward and deemed AGP obsolete then it is dead.

You mean, kinda like how Intel decided for us that Rambus was the way of the future? Besides, ATI has already stated that the R500 line would be released in both AGP and PCI-E. And the last time I checked, ATI was part of "the industry".

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
The fact that you feel it doesn't offer a tangible gain over AGP is irrelevant.

Actually, it's not just what I feel. All the benchmarks I've seen show no performance difference between the two.

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Like he pointed out, we moved from PCI to AGP and are now making the transition from AGP to PCI-e (which has been going on for over a year now). May AGP R.I.P.

Well, if the ATI roadmap I saw is true the ATI R500 line will be released in AGP and PCI-E. So it'll be awhile yet before AGP is dead and gone no matter what some people hope. The majority of computer systems out there still have AGP slots. It's not as if PCI-E is removing some major video performance bottleneck or anything.

 

[ronnn]

Agp is only officially dead when I upgrade. :beer: