ATI RV530 & RV515 specs revealed

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coldpower27

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Originally posted by: Intelia
Ok so is what your telling me is that this is what the Highend cards from ATI well look like this

R530 ******* R520 x900****** R520 x900xt****** R520x900xtpe


600mhz ****** 600Mhz ******* 600MHz ******* 600Mhz
1400MHz****** 1400MHz****** 1400MHz ******* 1400MHz
128 bit memory 256 bit memory * 256bit memory 512bit memory
12 pipes****** 16pipes ****** 24 pipes ****** 24pipes


The names have been changed to protect the innocent. So this is what you want me to believe. I will except that . Buy crossfire AND the R530's.

If i was buying thats how i would do it. ATI just lost a sh1t load of money. Remember the ATI intergrated graphics also contribute on the crossfire setup.

So with the the R530 i end up with 24 pipes 600MHz core 1400MHZ memory 256bit memory and what every else the intergrated graphics brings to the table plus what ever memory is onboard for the intergrated gpu + hyperMemory . This does look rather good you sold me. All this from a mid range card that should choke any modern day CPU

No it's very unlikely that ATI will implement a 512Bit Memory Interface as those are quite prohibitively expensive.

I heard some rumors of R520 XT being the highest Core so I expect that be something like

R520 XT
600MHZ
24 Pipelines
1.4GHZ GDDR3/256Bit

R520 XL
550MHZ
24 Pipelines
1.2GHZ GDDR3/256Bit

R520 Pro
475MHZ - 525MHZ
20 Pipelines
1.2GHZ GDDR3/256Bit

R520 Vanilla
450MHZ
16 Pipelines
1.0GHZ GDDR3/256Bit

RV530
600MHZ
12 Pipelines
1.4GHZ GDDR3/128Bit

XL is rumored to be released first to compete with the Geforce 7800 GTX, then when Nvidia released Ultra ATI will spring the XT version. Expecting ATI to use the same memory on each product I find rather ridiculous.
 

Intelia

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Well I will go along with what your saying and it just really really Makes 2 R530"s in cross fire look all that much better.
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Quote coldpower27

XL is rumored to be released first to compete with the Geforce 7800 GTX, then when Nvidia released Ultra ATI will spring the XT version. Expecting ATI to use the same memory on each product I find rather ridiculous.

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I also find it to be ridiculous. I also find it amusingly ridiculous how you feel the memory thing is going to be presented. Fact is its hilariously ridiculously amusing.
 

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Originally posted by: Intelia
Well I will go along with what your saying and it just really really Makes 2 R530"s in cross fire look all that much better.

Not for aa + af at high res. Look at the faults in an sli 6600gt setup. Same thing will happen with these cards at those settings. but if ur ok at 1024 w/o high aa or af levels then i guess it would work alright for ya.
 

Intelia

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Originally posted by: Marsumane
Originally posted by: Intelia
Well I will go along with what your saying and it just really really Makes 2 R530"s in cross fire look all that much better.

Not for aa + af at high res. Look at the faults in an sli 6600gt setup. Same thing will happen with these cards at those settings. but if ur ok at 1024 w/o high aa or af levels then i guess it would work alright for ya.


Ya I suppose everyone is going to run out to buy a $800 high res. LCD. And why in gods name would you compare a 6600gt to a R530 get real.

First you guys want to compare a 7800gtx to the x850 xt pe now you want to compare a 6600gt to a R530. Do you guys write lines for Richard Prior . Is this a Flame I feel. LOL.

 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Intelia
Ok so is what your telling me is that this is what the Highend cards from ATI well look like this

R530 ******* R520 x900****** R520 x900xt****** R520x900xtpe


600mhz ****** 600Mhz ******* 600MHz ******* 600Mhz
1400MHz****** 1400MHz****** 1400MHz ******* 1400MHz
128 bit memory 256 bit memory * 256bit memory 512bit memory
12 pipes****** 16pipes ****** 24 pipes ****** 24pipes


The names have been changed to protect the innocent. So this is what you want me to believe. I will except that . Buy crossfire AND the R530's.

If i was buying thats how i would do it. ATI just lost a sh1t load of money. Remember the ATI intergrated graphics also contribute on the crossfire setup.

So with the the R530 i end up with 24 pipes 600MHz core 1400MHZ memory 256bit memory and what every else the intergrated graphics brings to the table plus what ever memory is onboard for the intergrated gpu + hyperMemory . This does look rather good you sold me. All this from a mid range card that should choke any modern day CPU

512bit memory cant be implemented on boards now without adding literally double the layers of the average graphics card. All of those extra traces would dramatically increase the cost.

Not to mention having 8 64bit memory controllers instead of 4 on the die.

On top of that, whos sampling 1.4ghz 512bit GDDR3 right now? No one. Which means ATi couldnt even get an ES going.
 

Intelia

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Where you been Samsung is sampling 2000Mhz . they already have 1600 shipping or if you prefer2Ghz and 1.6 Ghz
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/display/20050626190852.html

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/display/20040213210313.html

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20050614170548.html

To many like you on this forum I got threw off 512 MB of ram is what I was referring to . Not a 512 bit memory controller.
In the above links in 1 of the 3 post its states nvidia was sampling the 1,6 GHz on a 256 bit bus if they could make it work! Guess what they can't.

Quote Acanthus
On top of that, whos sampling 1.4ghz 512bit GDDR3 right now? No one. Which means ATi couldnt even get an ES going
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I just went to the link took all of 5 seconds
I do have an Intel cpu that mite explain it." -Intelia- In reference to load times in IE

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I was kidding around in the above statement. Whats your excuse
 

biostud

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atm there's only shown one CF card, so it's not sure they will use it on midrange.
 

Intelia

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Core Name Slot Width Launch Date
RV530 Crossfire Single Slot Late October
RV515 "XL" Single Slot Late September

This is from Anand's news post
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Intelia
Where you been Samsung is sampling 2000Mhz . they already have 1600 shipping or if you prefer2Ghz and 1.6 Ghz
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/display/20050626190852.html

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/display/20040213210313.html

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20050614170548.html

To many like you on this forum I got threw off 512 MB of ram is what I was referring to . Not a 512 bit memory controller.
In the above links in 1 of the 3 post its states nvidia was sampling the 1,6 GHz on a 256 bit bus if they could make it work! Guess what they can't.

Quote Acanthus
On top of that, whos sampling 1.4ghz 512bit GDDR3 right now? No one. Which means ATi couldnt even get an ES going
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I just went to the link took all of 5 seconds
I do have an Intel cpu that mite explain it." -Intelia- In reference to load times in IE

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I was kidding around in the above statement. Whats your excuse

My excuse for what? you giving false information then changing your mind on what it meant?

The reasons both nvidia and ati both dont run the absolute fastest memory samsung has in production are both supply and cost. Samsung cant supply enough 1.6ghz DDRIII for nvidia or ati, and even if they could, it'd be far too expensive.

Nice save on the 512 "bit" though... :roll:

Edit: and if your post about samsung sampling at 2000mhz was an attempt to prove me wrong... i said 512bit, not 256, which is what you linked.
 

KeepItRed

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: blckgrffn
Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Originally posted by: Rollo
I had two 7800GTXs in my hands

Wrong topic.

"ATI RV530 & RV515 specs revealed"

not

"7800GTX"



Thanks. This has nothing to do with nvidia. At all. Especially cards like 7800 GTX's.

You're both wrong. I was replying to the posters assertion that the ATI cards were three months behind the 7800GTX.

The date the 7800GTX was in my hands is necessary to establish a time frame.

Next.


Well this is a topic about "ATI" so why mention the 7800GTX?
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: blckgrffn
Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Originally posted by: Rollo
I had two 7800GTXs in my hands

Wrong topic.

"ATI RV530 & RV515 specs revealed"

not

"7800GTX"



Thanks. This has nothing to do with nvidia. At all. Especially cards like 7800 GTX's.

You're both wrong. I was replying to the posters assertion that the ATI cards were three months behind the 7800GTX.

The date the 7800GTX was in my hands is necessary to establish a time frame.

Next.


Well this is a topic about "ATI" so why mention the 7800GTX?

Dense anyone?

 

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blah blah blah memory controllers blah blah blah...

I'll add...

256 bit memory controller = 64 bit memory controller x 4

384 bit memory controller = 64 bit memory controller x 6

512 bit memory controller = 64 bit memory controller x 8

1x64 bit memory controller @ 600Mhz (1200 Mhz effective) yields 76,800,000,000 bits per second throughput.

4x64 bit memory controller @ 600Mhz (1200 Mhz effective) yields 307,200,000,000 bits (38.4 GBytes) per second.

4x64 bit memory controller @ 650Mhz (1300 Mhz effective) yields 332,800,000,000 bits (41.6 GBytes) per second.

6x64 bit memory controller @ 600Mhz (1200 Mhz effective) yields 460,800,000,000 bits (57.6 GBytes) per second.

8x64 bit memory controller @ 600Mhz (1200 Mhz effective) yields 614,400,000,000 bits (76.8 GBytes) per second.

In order to support a 256 bit memory system, you need to spend X amount of money on RAM. Assume 256 MB.

In order to support a 384 bit memory system, you need to spend 1.5X the amount of a 256 bit system, but you also get 1.5X the total memory in the process. 1.5 x 256 MB = 384 MB.

In order to support a 512 bit memory sysem, you need to spend 2X the amount of a 256 bit system, but you also get 2X the total memory in the process.

Let's assume you have 16 bit memory modules with 8 bit interfaces and you are using two of these for your memory. You stip your data across these modules 8 bits at a time. Module 0 will hold bits 0 through 7, then bits 16 through 23. Module 1 will hold bits 8 through 15, then bits 24 through 31.

With this in mind, 8 bit memory controller 0 can transfer bits 0 through 7 from memory module 0 and at the same time memory controller 1 can transfer bits 8 through 15 from memory module 1.

Same thing works at a larger scale for 256, 384, and 512 bit memory controllers accessing hundeds of MB of memory.

The other benefit of using wider memory systems is that you don't have to use cutting edge memory in order to get better performance.

For instance: 384 bit memory controller with 384 MB of 400Mhz GDDR3 memory yields the same throughput of a 256 bit memory controller with 256 MB of 600Mhz GDDR3 memory. The cost of 384 MB of 400Mhz GDDR3 could be less than 256 MB of 600Mhz GDDR3.

384 bit controller with 384 MB of 500Mhz GDDR3 will give you some 48GBps, which is much higher than what you get with 600Mhz or 650Mhz GDDR3 and a 256 bit memory controller.

Course, to the GPU maker, adding these extra 64 bit controllers takes up die space and makes PCBs that much more complicated thus increasing costs for the GPU and for the PCB.

I expect wider memory buses sooner than later unless GDDR3/4 memory clocks increase by decent margins in the near future.

Those are my thoughts on memory controllers. Someone will probably shoot this down soon. It's happened before. ;)
 

ZobarStyl

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Would you people quit assuming that ATi has some magically faster RAM than nVidia, considering they all get it from the same place? If they do have faster RAM, it means that the end price of the card goes up as well, which factors in on price/performance. The only room to speculate is on the core itself, and in that case, I seriously doubt you'll see 24 pipes at 600 mhz, what with the constant rumors of leakage/heat. Remember that GPU are all about parallelism vs clockspeed, so when you go up in pipes you won't get as much in clockspeed, like how the 6600GT is 500 mhz with 8 while the 7800GTX is 430 with 24. Considering it took dual-slot cooling to hit 540 mhz with 16 pipes on the X850, I would venture that 24 pipes in the 500 range is the most likely, if they aren't going for those "extreme" pipes.

Oh and Acanthus, don't try and fight Intelia, you'll only get those cop-out responses. In short: don't feed the troll.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
parallelism vs clockspeed

Some sources say the R520's using X-Arcitechture instead of parrallel for their pipes.

X-architechture is in no way related to parallelism. X-architecture is a new design method for the traces within layers of a chip to increase efficiency and reduce development time.
 

ZobarStyl

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Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
parallelism vs clockspeed

Some sources say the R520's using X-Arcitechture instead of parrallel for their pipes.
You don't quite get it...'pipes' means parallelism. In a graphics card there are a number of different pipes processing pixels simultaneously, hence, working in parallel. This is also why multi-GPU systems are very easy to implement whereas multi-threading is difficult. The point was that as you add more pipelines, and get more work per cycle, you typically have to sacrifice some total clockspeed. This is the basis of the age-old noob question of "why can't my GPU run at 3.8 ghz like my P4?"
 

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Wow.

Crossfire one year later than SLI.

High end, unknown spec "launch" four months after 7800GTX- and we don't know if cards will even be available at launch.

Looks like the rumors of another tape-out may well be true.

People have been posting all year, "It's taped out! Wait a month or two!" and now at the end of the year, ATI finally tells us to wait two months. Will be interesting to see if they can deliver by November.

Yay for ATI bashing in thread that was mainly for illustrating the new mainstream parts to be released by ATI.

Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: blckgrffn
Originally posted by: KeepItRed
Originally posted by: Rollo
I had two 7800GTXs in my hands

Wrong topic.

"ATI RV530 & RV515 specs revealed"

not

"7800GTX"



Thanks. This has nothing to do with nvidia. At all. Especially cards like 7800 GTX's.

You're both wrong. I was replying to the posters assertion that the ATI cards were three months behind the 7800GTX.

The date the 7800GTX was in my hands is necessary to establish a time frame.

Next.

See above quote and response. This thread had little to do with a 7800GTX competitor and thus there was no reason to bring it up. ATI could be first to market with the new mainstream parts, we don't know at this point. You brought up the 7800GTX first, you weren't replying to anything, nice try though. No one asked you to take this thread into the "nvidia is greater than ATI" arena and you did a great job of stifling any useful discussion by just inciting another flame war. On purpose or not, just annoying either way...

"Next"
 

coldpower27

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Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Would you people quit assuming that ATi has some magically faster RAM than nVidia, considering they all get it from the same place? If they do have faster RAM, it means that the end price of the card goes up as well, which factors in on price/performance. The only room to speculate is on the core itself, and in that case, I seriously doubt you'll see 24 pipes at 600 mhz, what with the constant rumors of leakage/heat. Remember that GPU are all about parallelism vs clockspeed, so when you go up in pipes you won't get as much in clockspeed, like how the 6600GT is 500 mhz with 8 while the 7800GTX is 430 with 24. Considering it took dual-slot cooling to hit 540 mhz with 16 pipes on the X850, I would venture that 24 pipes in the 500 range is the most likely, if they aren't going for those "extreme" pipes.

Oh and Acanthus, don't try and fight Intelia, you'll only get those cop-out responses. In short: don't feed the troll.

Yeah I agree, 600MHZ would be the upper limit of what we would see, a more realistic estimate would be 550MHZ or so for a 24 Pipeline Card on the 90nm low-k process. And also the G70 is using a much more mature 110nm process, plus Nvidia took many lssons from mobile chips to help the heat dissappation on such a product.

I just want ATI to get it's product out already and hard launch so we can stop with al lthese R520 rumors of everything in between 500MHZ-700MHZ and 16 - 32 Pipelines going around. Not to mention the extreme memories. :confused:
 

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So much ATI Fanboy fantasy games, these specs looks promising but the question is when will these cards reach distributors in time for the holiday season. Remember last 2 holiday season has not been a great one for ATI with the shortages. Wonder how many fanboys will pay the $600-700 ebay price.
 

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Originally posted by: blckgrffn
See above quote and response. This thread had little to do with a 7800GTX competitor and thus there was no reason to bring it up. ATI could be first to market with the new mainstream parts, we don't know at this point. You brought up the 7800GTX first, you weren't replying to anything, nice try though. No one asked you to take this thread into the "nvidia is greater than ATI" arena and you did a great job of stifling any useful discussion by just inciting another flame war. On purpose or not, just annoying either way...

"Next"

Meh.

4 and 12 pipeline cards are below my radar. To me the news in the OP is the "launch" date of the 7800GTX competitor. I'll comment on what I consider relevant, you can do the same.

Last I checked it doesn't say in your job description, "Tell Rollo what he can and can't post about".

Your ridiculous attempt to censor me has been given the consideration it deserves. You'd better go tell others what to post about, maybe you can find someone dumb enough to listen.

;)


 

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As stated earlier The R530 in crossfire looks to be a killer rig and the best buy for all . Ati has really sliped up here.

This is A SM3 part. The memory controller on the Ati R520 R530 I believe Comes from Rambus and supports both Gddr3 and XDR memory.

Rollo here's a link for you and I submit based on the X850xt performance with SM 2 that the R 530 in crossfire is going to be a killer set up. I base this off the high core clock speed of the R530 part. and the extreme memory speed . In your reply please use a logical rebutal only.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce7800-gt.html

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Quote Rollo

4 and 12 pipeline cards are below my radar. To me the news in the OP is the "launch" date of the 7800GTX competitor. I'll comment on what I consider relevant, you can do the same.
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You better get it back on your radar and clean the cobwebs from that thing you call a brain. You just don't get it we are CPU limited what part of that don't you understand.

Ati has hit on a sweet spot here whether or not it was an intentional or not doesn't matter . R530 in crossfire will probably out perform 7800gtx in sli . cross fire boards also use the intergrated graphics in crossfire .

Hell you know what I am making a decision without David. I am going to get a R530 and crossfire setup. Really this does look to be almost perfect fot todays processors I am sold . Hell if Iam going to angry him I might as well go all the way and use the AMD FX57 cpu. and 1 of his water cooled chiller outfits. Him and his PM @3ghz. Me with Crossfire FX57 @ 3GHz could be really fun . plus with crossfire I well hand him his Arse on a plate LOL.
 

blckgrffn

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: blckgrffn
See above quote and response. This thread had little to do with a 7800GTX competitor and thus there was no reason to bring it up. ATI could be first to market with the new mainstream parts, we don't know at this point. You brought up the 7800GTX first, you weren't replying to anything, nice try though. No one asked you to take this thread into the "nvidia is greater than ATI" arena and you did a great job of stifling any useful discussion by just inciting another flame war. On purpose or not, just annoying either way...

"Next"

Meh.

4 and 12 pipeline cards are below my radar. To me the news in the OP is the "launch" date of the 7800GTX competitor. I'll comment on what I consider relevant, you can do the same.

Last I checked it doesn't say in your job description, "Tell Rollo what he can and can't post about".

Your ridiculous attempt to censor me has been given the consideration it deserves. You'd better go tell others what to post about, maybe you can find someone dumb enough to listen.

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I am not really trying to censor you, and lol, my job description is thankfully empty in that regard, your right. :)

I just don't seem to understand your determination to bring nvidia into every post in the video forum and fail to see how it adds value to most of these threads. That's all. I guess I'll try harder to ignore your posts more in the future.
 

KeepItRed

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Originally posted by: blckgrffn
This thread had little to do with a 7800GTX
I just don't seem to understand your determination to bring nvidia into every post in the video forum and fail to see how it adds value to most of these threads.[/quote]

Nicely said. :thumbsup:
 

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Meh.

4 and 12 pipeline cards are below my radar. To me the news in the OP is the "launch" date of the 7800GTX competitor. I'll comment on what I consider relevant, you can do the same.

Last I checked it doesn't say in your job description, "Tell Rollo what he can and can't post about".

Your ridiculous attempt to censor me has been given the consideration it deserves. You'd better go tell others what to post about, maybe you can find someone dumb enough to listen.

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Instead of focusing on the positive that ATI has released dates/specs of some of their next generation lineup, you decided to turn the topic into yet another Nv vs ATI flamewar. Way to go.

Not biased, my ass.