while I agree that ATI needs a new designer and developer for their site, I really don't think that should be catering to opera users. when you build a site you have to identify a core audience and in most cases you are talking about windows OS users, with IE, at 800x600 resolution, with Quicktime 4, and Flash 4. I would find it hard to belive that opera users constitute a big enough audience to make ATI want to develop for those users. It sucks but it's the nature of the beast. Hell I've worked on sites (bmwusa.com, nikonusa.com, tradearca.com, etc) where we basically decided based on mediametrics, netgravity information, and webtrends data that the core audience was nearly 100% IE users, and thus some things that dont neccessarily flow right on NEtscape browsers (some DHTML scripts) we simply had to say hey Netscape users "tough." again it sucks but thats the nature of the business. To make a site compatible to every browser and platform is tough. Right now I'm working on the US Postal Service and GoArmy.com sites which have really tough requirements because they are government sites. WE basically have to build a whole seperate site for those people who are color blind, deaf, or blind in order to be DOD 508 compliant. Now that is a nightmare.