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ATI Preps Radeon X1700, Radeon X1900 for Fall Refresh
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iono why they both keep doing that. its quite retarded. alot least eh x1900 had something differnt .7900's are the same thign basicly and now ati is striking. too many model numbers
I like the idea of ATI not resting on their laurels due to the R600 delay (due to VISTA delay). This is just a gap coverage card because the R600 will be release full DX10 with VISTA.
SpeedZealot369
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Excellent. Lower performing X1300, cheaper X1600 is the extent of short term plans. NV is going to dominate the budget & low end with the 7600GS and 7600GT all year, just like they did with the 6600 last year. The X1700 looks to be aimed squarely at the 7600GT, but won't be around until late summer or early fall. And just like the X1600 vs 6600GT, by the time it gets here it'll be significantly more expensive for the same performance. Factor in wonderful ATI drivers, and why would anyone bother?
What the hell, does the management at ATI forget that budget/mainstream is where the money is made? What's with the utterly asstastic "me too, except slower and more expensive" products?
What the hell, does the management at ATI forget that budget/mainstream is where the money is made? What's with the utterly asstastic "me too, except slower and more expensive" products?
Interesting. A bit disappointing.
I read somewhere that the X1700XT was going to be around X1800XT performance. With those specs, it's not going to be anywhere close. As a matter of fact, I would expect the X1700XT to have to run in excess of 550 MHz if it is to perform at least as well as the 7600GT. Fortunately, at 80nm, 550+ MHz shouldn't be a problem, but it doesn't look any better than the 7600GT on paper.
You'd think one of these companies would try to "go for the b@lls" so to speak, but they seem to be perfectly content to simply match one another (a 12/36 pipeline configuration for the X1700XT would be a much more agressive way to compete with the 7600GT, and since it would still use 128-bit RAM, it would leave enough of a gap at high resolutions to not cannibalize sales of the top cards).
The X1900GTO should be a solid card (probably matching the X1800XT) but where does that put the still-unreleased X1800GTO? At the $250 price point?
Right now, Nvidia's strategy makes more sense to me: the 7600GT and 7900GT are well designed cards that need minimal cooling and perform well. ATI's top X1700 should be a good card, but they will have two "cut down" cards competing at attractive pricepoints: the X1800GTO (~$250) and X1900GTO (~$300). And these cards, depending on whether they are entirely new cores or simply modified X1800XT's and X1900XT's, may cost more to manufacture than Nvidia's cards. Meaning prices can't drop as quickly, and profit margins are lower.
The only thing I could see making the GTO's hot sellers is if they can unlock pipelines to become XT's, like the previous generation (X800GTO2). Otherwise, IMO, the 7900GT is a more attractive card atm. Although I guess we won't know actual final performance until ATI releases these cards.
I read somewhere that the X1700XT was going to be around X1800XT performance. With those specs, it's not going to be anywhere close. As a matter of fact, I would expect the X1700XT to have to run in excess of 550 MHz if it is to perform at least as well as the 7600GT. Fortunately, at 80nm, 550+ MHz shouldn't be a problem, but it doesn't look any better than the 7600GT on paper.
You'd think one of these companies would try to "go for the b@lls" so to speak, but they seem to be perfectly content to simply match one another (a 12/36 pipeline configuration for the X1700XT would be a much more agressive way to compete with the 7600GT, and since it would still use 128-bit RAM, it would leave enough of a gap at high resolutions to not cannibalize sales of the top cards).
The X1900GTO should be a solid card (probably matching the X1800XT) but where does that put the still-unreleased X1800GTO? At the $250 price point?
Right now, Nvidia's strategy makes more sense to me: the 7600GT and 7900GT are well designed cards that need minimal cooling and perform well. ATI's top X1700 should be a good card, but they will have two "cut down" cards competing at attractive pricepoints: the X1800GTO (~$250) and X1900GTO (~$300). And these cards, depending on whether they are entirely new cores or simply modified X1800XT's and X1900XT's, may cost more to manufacture than Nvidia's cards. Meaning prices can't drop as quickly, and profit margins are lower.
The only thing I could see making the GTO's hot sellers is if they can unlock pipelines to become XT's, like the previous generation (X800GTO2). Otherwise, IMO, the 7900GT is a more attractive card atm. Although I guess we won't know actual final performance until ATI releases these cards.
blckgrffn
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The x1800GTO is available at newegg right now. I wish that ATI would price it under $200, I would have bought one then. The fact is that they have nothing above $100 to the $250 range that is really competitive. I mean, a 7600GS really kicks the x1600xt for the most part.
This just hurts us all, as nvidia will have little incentive to drop the price of the cheap to make 7600GT.
Nat
This just hurts us all, as nvidia will have little incentive to drop the price of the cheap to make 7600GT.
Nat
5150Joker
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Problem with the X1900 refresh is that nVidia will have G80 out. Even if G80's DX10 features won't be utilized till 2007, it will make for a good PR part (and I'll probably fall for it and buy one) and if anyone is a marketing master, it's nVidia. Dark times ahead for ATi till 2007.
SpeedZealot369
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I agree, every1 is talking about when these cards are coming out but truth is no1 knows and stuff could easily change from now till then.
5150Joker
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