ATI Preps New Dual-Chip Flagship Graphics Card - Rumours.

[Kakkoii]

Taking them a while don't you think?

Well if they are, then no not really. Nvidia would have no need to bring out those parts yet. Since ATI doesn't seem to be lowering it's prices, despite now finally loosing in the price/performance position this gen. It would be smart for Nvidia to wait for ATI to make it's next move, which will likely be ATI's refresh that's coming soon.

 

[AtenRa]

If you think ATI is going to release a 6XXX series lineup and the flagship is only going to be 10% faster than a 5870, you are kidding yourself, bigtime.

Do we really know the name of the next ATI graphics Card??? as far as I know, ATI has said they will only release a refresh in 2010 and I thing it will be a refresh like 4890.

You all assume SI will be a complete new architecture and have 30-50 percent more performance than evergreen (5870). Perhaps it will be, but right now nobody knows and we all guessing but the only think we have Confirm from ATI is about a REFRESH.

From my point of view, ATI only needs to be more competitive in DX-11 Tessellation and I believe they will change the Graphics Engine (unCore) of Evergreen with a new Tesselator (4th gen), but they will keep the 1600 shaders.

I don't see where the surprise or doubt is coming from, it's simple logic. ATI has a 6 month lead on nvidia currently in generation releases.

And that 6 month lead gone bye bye because TSMCs 28nm will be ready after H1 2011 (perhaps Q3 2011).

Otherwise ATI will keep putting their sales behind the eight ball for those six month terms where they are dominating gpu sales with new tech cards while nvidia is still trying to push their old stuff out the door.

NVIDIA still has the lead in Desktop Graphics card sales in Q2 2010 despite they only had High End DX-11 cards (GF100). Until ATI release SI (Perhaps late October) NV will release both GF106 and GF108 and have full DX-11 cards (Low End to High End) for Q4 2010 and holyday season.

 

[AtenRa]

The GTX-485? Are you talking about this?

http://en.expreview.com/2010/08/09/w...-480/9070.html

Avg. 5.67 percent increase in performance over the 480 part
Uses 200W more power under load
94°C with the same cooler (Accelero Xtreme) that keeps the HD 5970 toxic @ 67°C

You do realise that 5,67 percent is the increase performance from 32 more Shaders (512) witch is 6.6 percent more than 480 shaders. This shows that NV shaders (Cuda Cores) are 86% efficient.

The 200W more power was in the System and not in the card.

I don’t say the card in the review was good but don’t misinform people.

 

[3DVagabond]

You do realise that 5,67 percent is the increase performance from 32 more Shaders (512) witch is 6.6 percent more than 480 shaders. This shows that NV shaders (Cuda Cores) are 86% efficient.

The 200W more power was in the System and not in the card.

I don’t say the card in the review was good but don’t misinform people.

You seem to have missed the smiley. I actually don't think this is a real retail card. It's, I believe, an old engineering sample, like Happy Medium said. I was just taking the piss out of him a bit.

As far as misinforming people goes, nothing there is on my part knowingly inaccurate. The 200W was system power. The only difference in the systems though was a 480sp Fermi in one and the 512sp Fermi in the other. The difference in power usage was purely the difference in the video cards. I think the heat output should pretty much cinch the fact that it uses butt loads of power.

Ever wonder what happened to the cards Charlie was talking about a few months before Fermi was released? I think we've seen a review of one.

If you are looking for any information in these threads, you're going to be disappointed. Conjecture and innuendo, there's plenty of, but real info... not too much.

 

[AtenRa]

The 200W was system power. The only difference in the systems though was a 480sp Fermi in one and the 512sp Fermi in the other. The difference in power usage was purely the difference in the video cards.

This is wrong,
the correct is, with the 512 shader card the power supply drew 200W more for the whole system.

 

[Jacky60]

I have not seen a single member yet with a 5970 in their sig rig. Might as well spend big money and buy the next gen top model and tell yourself you will not upgrade for 4 years...

Hi

 

[evolucion8]

NO , no, not the old memory leaking engineering sample that Nvidia's is baiting ATI with.

I firmly believe Nvidia has a full fermi comming with higher clocks,more sp's and about the same power usage.

ANd don't forget about the full gf 104. I exspect that sucker to be clocked at 850 core stock and to be a little faster then the 5870.

What makes you think that enabling the remaining 32 CUDA cores will improve the situation considerably? The GTX 480 has all its stuff enabled like TMU's, Caches, ROP's, etc except those 32 CUDA cores, and considering that their CUDA cores doesn't scale linearly its not gonna be a huge boost in performance to justify the heat and power consumption. A full fledge GF104 definitively will fare better, specially if its heavily overclocked at over 850MHz (But the HD 5870 also overclocks well)

 

[toyota]

What makes you think that enabling the remaining 32 CUDA cores will improve the situation considerably? The GTX 480 has all its stuff enabled like TMU's, Caches, ROP's, etc except those 32 CUDA cores, and considering that their CUDA cores doesn't scale linearly its not gonna be a huge boost in performance to justify the heat and power consumption. A full fledge GF104 definitively will fare better, specially if its heavily overclocked at over 850MHz (But the HD 5870 also overclocks well)

no it also has 4 more TMUs that would be enabled with those 32SP. a full fledged gf104 with 384sp would not even match the gtx480 in 99 percent of cases and would have no chance against the full fledged gf100 with 512sp.

 

[AtenRa]

GF100 512SP has 16x4 TMUs = 64, GTX480 has 15x4 = 60 TMUs

All the other stuff are the same, except the SPs and TMUs

 

[exar333]

When was the last time ATI and especially AMD/ATI released a new generation of cards by releasing the mid part first by several months?

Is your memory that short? The 5xxx series launched exactly like this. AMD specifically said the initial 5850/5870 launch was NOT their flagship product, and the 5970 was launched a few months afterwards. Gone are the days of a "high-end" single-GPU. High-end means dual GPU, either 2 cores on one card like the 5970, or 2 SLI/CF'd.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Is your memory that short? The 5xxx series launched exactly like this. AMD specifically said the initial 5850/5870 launch was NOT their flagship product, and the 5970 was launched a few months afterwards. Gone are the days of a "high-end" single-GPU. High-end means dual GPU, either 2 cores on one card like the 5970, or 2 SLI/CF'd.

Your post is completely unrelated to what I was answering.

I'm answering to posts like these, that believe that AMD/ATI is coming with $100 and under cards first for a new generation.

They say they have confirmation......

Quote:
Our further investigation also led us to find two codenames Turks and Caicos as these two cards should replace Radeon HD 5670 and Radeon 5550 and 5400.
Cayman (Southern Islands should be a group codename for Radeon 6000 series) should be the codename for the product that replaces Radeon HD 5800 series, but as far as we know this chip might actually not make it to market this year"

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/graphics/atis-next-generation-to-come-in-october

I think mid range first (Oct./Nov.), high end at the end of the year.

People in these forums don't generally call a 5870 or a GTX 480 a mid range card - in these forums a 5870 or a GTX 480 are considered high end while dual-GPUs are the ultra-high end.

If you want to argue semantics, that is ok, but most people here will keep calling cards like the 5870 and GTX 480 high end.

Still, the 5970 hit the market (although not in high numbers) less than 2 months later.

 

[exar333]

Your post is completely unrelated to what I was answering.

I'm answering to posts like these, that believe that AMD/ATI is coming with $100 and under cards first for a new generation.



People in these forums don't generally call a 5870 or a GTX 480 a mid range card - in these forums a 5870 or a GTX 480 are considered high end while dual-GPUs are the ultra-high end.

If you want to argue semantics, that is ok, but most people here will keep calling cards like the 5870 and GTX 480 high end.

Still, the 5970 hit the market (although not in high numbers) less than 2 months later.

A 5850/5870 is definitely NOT high-end. It's a very good card, but far from high-end. Sorry, your mistaken here.

 

[Acanthus]

A 5850/5870 is definitely NOT high-end. It's a very good card, but far from high-end. Sorry, your mistaken here.

Err the 5870 is the fastest single chip card they make.

It is high end.

What world do you live in?

 

[GaiaHunter]

A 5850/5870 is definitely NOT high-end. It's a very good card, but far from high-end. Sorry, your mistaken here.

Again if you want to discuss semantics that is completely unrelated to both my post and to the topic.

Everyone else understood what I meant. If you choose to use a different definition than the rest of the forum community it is your problem.

 

[Skurge]

A 5850/5870 is definitely NOT high-end. It's a very good card, but far from high-end. Sorry, your mistaken here.

What do you consider them then?

 

[Madcatatlas]

A 5850/5870 is definitely NOT high-end. It's a very good card, but far from high-end. Sorry, your mistaken here.

I see where your coming from, seeing as you have a total of TWO CARDS that are faster than it. The 5870 can clearly not be high end.

Id call it low end, but then i wouldnt know where to put all those sub 300 cards....

 

[stag3]

A 5850/5870 is definitely NOT high-end. It's a very good card, but far from high-end. Sorry, your mistaken here.

rofl wtf is high end? unless you're thinking sli/crossfire = high end

i think most people's definition of high end is fastest single card out.
5870 is high end to me
my 5850 is mid
and everything else is budget imo

 

[happy medium]

Is your memory that short? The 5xxx series launched exactly like this. AMD specifically said the initial 5850/5870 launch was NOT their flagship product, and the 5970 was launched a few months afterwards. Gone are the days of a "high-end" single-GPU. High-end means dual GPU, either 2 cores on one card like the 5970, or 2 SLI/CF'd.

He is saying crossfire /sli is high end. I see his point, but most people call a 5870 or gtx 480 high end.

 

[SirPauly]

Is your memory that short? The 5xxx series launched exactly like this. AMD specifically said the initial 5850/5870 launch was NOT their flagship product, and the 5970 was launched a few months afterwards. Gone are the days of a "high-end" single-GPU. High-end means dual GPU, either 2 cores on one card like the 5970, or 2 SLI/CF'd.

I don't agree with this at all. There are levels of high-end with specific sku's and price-points and then there is the flag-ship Sku.

AMD and their partners offer 2 gig edition 5870's, or EyeFinity editions sku's and these may be deemed high end. nVidia offers the GTX 480 and their partners offer some OC editions and all higher end Sku's.

 

[Wreckage]

ATI's mid to low offerings are pretty poor right now. The 5830 is regarded by many as the worst card released in a while and the 5770/5750 don't perform well enough in DX11 to justify buying one over a DX10 card.

Maybe this patch job will improve a newer version of both these cards.

I guess we will find out soon enough. The holiday season is fast approaching and both companies are going to want ever single xmas penny they can get.

 

[Outrage]

i thought the 465 was the worst card you could buy, the way that nvidia released the 460 after the 465 makes you think that even they knew it was a complete failure.

and nvidia surely want to cash in this xmas since they was to incompetent to have anything in the high end to compete with last xmas

 

[Wreckage]

and nvidia surely want to cash in this xmas since they was to incompetent to have anything in the high end to compete with last xmas

You may just want to check the market share numbers for last Christmas.

:hmm:

 

[Outrage]

nvidia backed with 6% q4 2009 compared to 2008, i guess it was rather empty under the Huang's xmas tree

 

[ace55]

You may just want to check the market share numbers for last Christmas.

How does market share trump benchmarks?

 

[videogames101]

How does market share trump benchmarks?

Because marketshare is the end game for nvidia and ati, not benchmarks.

Although, ATI clearly has made headway into all segments of the GPU market, despite Wreckage's assertion's the Nvidia has held on to everything it had.