ATI lied on purpose using subterfuge that is my take on it...

Luthien

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My take: ATI lied on purpose using subterfuge (ATI identified nVidia as cheating because nVidia was using and working on adaptive trilinear methods to improve benchmarks and demanded that nVidia be compared to ATI in benches both using full trilinear which of course we now know nVidia was the only one keeping that bargain while "ATI" used it's secret optimizations) in order to keep nVidia from doing exactly what it "ATI" was doing all along. ATI was afraid nVidia would reap the same benefits that it "ATI" was reaping if nVidia pursued its own adaptive trilinear strategy and seeking to improve its own sales and at the same time blacken nVidia's reputation "ATI" kept its adaptive trilinear strategy secret. This is why IMO ATI should be condemned for scumbags and lauded for being so perfectly duplicitous.

I posted this hitherto but wanted to expound on it more with the above:

"Well, OMG ATI outsmarted nVidia for two freaking years, LOL!!! ATI should be hired by Canada as a Canadian secret police they bushwhacked nVidia so well. Amazing isn?t it. I was buying nVidia 6800 whatever and now I feel even better about it. I think nVidia should sue ATI for fraudulent marketing in an attempt to put nVidia out of business. ATI accuses nVidia of the very thing ATI is doing but ATI manages to hide it far better and do it better to boot. Tragic and funny at the same time and FREAKING AMAZING!!!"
 

Algere

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I care dammet! I want my .0625 FPS increase over the competition and that's final. :|
 

Luthien

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Well, the point is that now that the ATI cat is out of the bag "nVidia" is going to once again be able to pursue it's own adaptive trilinear whatever unfettered by the cheating name tag and we will now have a new standard outside the box by which to measure performance. If ATI and nVidia had reconciled this amicably years ago where would we be today? Probably slower optimized driver cards so what ATI did could be seen as advancing video card technology while on the other hand undermining it?s competitor in an insidious manner while making fools of reviewers, customers and nVidia.
 

McArra

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Originally posted by: Luthien
Well, the point is that now that the ATI cat is out of the bag "nVidia" is going to once again be able to pursue it's own adaptive trilinear whatever unfettered by the cheating name tag and we will now have a new standard outside the box by which to measure performance. If ATI and nVidia had reconciled this amicably years ago where would we be today? Probably slower optimized driver cards so what ATI did could be seen as advancing video card technology while on the other hand undermining it?s undermining it?s competitor in an insidious manner fooling making fools of reviewers, customers and nVidia.

You speak too much. This only affects X800, not another ATis. And there are lots of this threads so post this in one of those.
 

rbV5

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You speak to much. This only affects X800, not another ATis. And there are lots of this threads so post this in one of those.

9600 cards use adaptive trilinear filtering as well:)

After you get past a couple words in a PDF file, theres not much to the story except ATI has an excellent filtering algorithm. Stay tuned over the next few months while they pick apart cards/drivers from the respective camps.............................
 

McArra

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Originally posted by: rbV5
You speak to much. This only affects X800, not another ATis. And there are lots of this threads so post this in one of those.

9600 cards use adaptive trilinear filtering as well:)

After you get past a couple words in a PDF file, theres not much to the story except ATI has an excellent filtering algorithm. Stay tuned over the next few months while they pick apart cards/drivers from the respective camps.............................

True I forgot to say it, it is implemented in all the 0.13u GPUs.
 

Luthien

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McArra your comment, "you speak to much," is out of line and if I was a moderator I would temp ban you for your arrogance. Oh, btw it should be "too much," since your being so friendly I thought I would return the insult. Keep it civil please...
 

McArra

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Sorry, I just wanted to mean you should have some good info before posting these kind of things. My apologies.
 

Luthien

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Apology accepted and for for saying so I repect you and apologize for my spelling comment which I loathe people doing unless in jest. I am not trying to debate the technical details as I am not qualified to do that but I am just trying to voice my take on what it all means in the overall scheme of things within the video card arena.
 

McArra

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Originally posted by: Luthien
McArra your comment, "you speak to much," is out of line and if I was a moderator I would temp ban you for your arrogance. Oh, btw it should be "too much," since your being so friendly I thought I would return the insult. Keep it civil please...

Typing error, fixed
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Pete

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There doesn't appear to be anything adaptive about nV's brilinear, whereas ATi's trylinear ostensibly checks each texture to determine what level of filtering to use (be it "appropriate" or not).

I agree that ATi's PR lied to reviewers.
 

SilverTrine

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So you're whining about the adaptive nature of it? Hard to see your actual complaint, especially since Ati's image quality is superior to whatever Nvidia is doing.

A real cheat is tampering with the out of sight polys in a benchmark, I suggest you go and read up on that.
 

Luthien

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I agree ATI's adaptive trilinear filtering is very good but they kept it secret and lied to everyone to prevent nVidia from doing the same thing and in the process hypocritically lied to everyone sabotaging an apples to apples benchmark comparison
 

imported_Aelius

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I'm still not giving up on ATI.

I still got a month or two before I buy the most expansive parts of my computer so I'm holding out full judgement until then.

All I care about is the highest possible IQ at medium resolution and very high FPS with full AA/AF on a card that will last me a LONG time. Only games I plan to play that are really big are WoW, S.T.A.L.K.E.R, CoD, Rome Total War, and HF2.

Somehow I doubt that the 9800Pro will be enough for me.

However this mess may not leave me much choice but to get the best overall card of last year. Seems funny how I did the exact same thing when I got my current vid card.

/sigh
 

Shamrock

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that's what I like about Petey :) He may appear to be an ATI fanboy, but he is fair, and when they make a mistake, he owns up to it, instead of "going into denial" Thanks Petey, for your honesty :)
 

DeeSlanger

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Pete's cool because he does'nt insult people , a trait that comes with being mature and concientious. Pete is cool because he is also more intelectualy inclined than PFY also....
 

DeeSlanger

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Hi,

"Well, OMG ATI outsmarted nVidia for two freaking years, LOL!!! ATI should be hired by Canada as a Canadian secret police they bushwhacked nVidia so well. Amazing isn?t it. I was buying nVidia 6800 whatever and now I feel even better about it. I think nVidia should sue ATI for fraudulent marketing in an attempt to put nVidia out of business. ATI accuses nVidia of the very thing ATI is doing but ATI manages to hide it far better and do it better to boot. Tragic and funny at the same time and FREAKING AMAZING!!!"[/quote]


humus is another example huh?
 

Luthien

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Deeslanger did you mean hubris or something or is humus a member on these forums or decomposed soil?