ATi is cancelling the X700XT

[SickBeast]

Just read this over at Hexus:

ATi is set to dramatically strengthen its position in the mid-range sector with a shock decision to drop its recently released RADEON X700XT.

Yep - the strategy seems to be to replace its X700XT ? a competitor to NVIDIA's well received GeForce 6600GT ? with a 12-pipeline RADEON X800 (possibly a RADEON X800 XL variant) featuring a 400MHz GPU core and 500MHz memory clocks, and ship it at an aggressive price-point, thereby enabling its AIB partners - such as Connect3D and GeCUBE - to supply to the channel at $249 or, probably, much less.

If this pans out, then the bottom line is that consumers of 3D gaming accelerators have never had it so good, for so little money.

It appears to have been confirmed by a couple of sources. I hope this pans out soon so I can finally upgrade my 9700Pro. 😀

I still might hold off because I typically like to double my performance for $200, and I think this new midrange card will only be 50-75% faster.

Good news for all. :beer:

 

[klah]

Looking at the current prices at Newegg; $250(or less) would put it somewhere between the $270 6800 than the $190 6600GT.

If this is true, and if it is faster than the 6800 it could force NV to drop the 6800's MSRP by $50+. I would suspect this would'nt happen until they have transitioned the 6800 to NV41, not while they are still partially disabled nv40.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Just read this over at Hexus:

ATi is set to dramatically strengthen its position in the mid-range sector with a shock decision to drop its recently released RADEON X700XT.

Yep - the strategy seems to be to replace its X700XT ? a competitor to NVIDIA's well received GeForce 6600GT ? with a 12-pipeline RADEON X800 (possibly a RADEON X800 XL variant) featuring a 400MHz GPU core and 500MHz memory clocks, and ship it at an aggressive price-point, thereby enabling its AIB partners - such as Connect3D and GeCUBE - to supply to the channel at $249 or, probably, much less.

If this pans out, then the bottom line is that consumers of 3D gaming accelerators have never had it so good, for so little money.

It appears to have been confirmed by a couple of sources. I hope this pans out soon so I can finally upgrade my 9700Pro. 😀

I still might hold off because I typically like to double my performance for $200, and I think this new midrange card will only be 50-75% faster.

Good news for all. :beer:

Not good news for ATI. The money they've put into the X700XT is lost, and the failure to bring the card to market damages their credibility.
I imagine this was a "cut your losses" type move.

 

[klah]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Not good news for ATI. The money they've put into the X700XT is lost, and the failure to bring the card to market damages their credibility.
I imagine this was a "cut your losses" type move.

It also makes review sites look duped for spending 3 months including it in their benchmarks instead of the X700Pro that ATI actually shipped.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Just read this over at Hexus:

ATi is set to dramatically strengthen its position in the mid-range sector with a shock decision to drop its recently released RADEON X700XT.

Yep - the strategy seems to be to replace its X700XT ? a competitor to NVIDIA's well received GeForce 6600GT ? with a 12-pipeline RADEON X800 (possibly a RADEON X800 XL variant) featuring a 400MHz GPU core and 500MHz memory clocks, and ship it at an aggressive price-point, thereby enabling its AIB partners - such as Connect3D and GeCUBE - to supply to the channel at $249 or, probably, much less.

If this pans out, then the bottom line is that consumers of 3D gaming accelerators have never had it so good, for so little money.

It appears to have been confirmed by a couple of sources. I hope this pans out soon so I can finally upgrade my 9700Pro. 😀

I still might hold off because I typically like to double my performance for $200, and I think this new midrange card will only be 50-75% faster.

Good news for all. :beer:

Not good news for ATI. The money they've put into the X700XT is lost, and the failure to bring the card to market damages their credibility.
I imagine this was a "cut your losses" type move.

I doubt it will hurt them too much - the X700XT was a paperlaunch the whole time. It never showed up in quantity - it looked like a decoy to give the X700 series credibility vs the 6600GT (which was faster than both cards but faster than the similarly priced X700 Pro by a nice 15%+ margin).

If ATI does get a 12-pipe X800 card down to $249, that will help their bottom line substantially; regardless announcing the X700XT has been cancelled doesn't surprise me at all.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Just read this over at Hexus:

ATi is set to dramatically strengthen its position in the mid-range sector with a shock decision to drop its recently released RADEON X700XT.

Yep - the strategy seems to be to replace its X700XT ? a competitor to NVIDIA's well received GeForce 6600GT ? with a 12-pipeline RADEON X800 (possibly a RADEON X800 XL variant) featuring a 400MHz GPU core and 500MHz memory clocks, and ship it at an aggressive price-point, thereby enabling its AIB partners - such as Connect3D and GeCUBE - to supply to the channel at $249 or, probably, much less.

If this pans out, then the bottom line is that consumers of 3D gaming accelerators have never had it so good, for so little money.

It appears to have been confirmed by a couple of sources. I hope this pans out soon so I can finally upgrade my 9700Pro. 😀

I still might hold off because I typically like to double my performance for $200, and I think this new midrange card will only be 50-75% faster.

Good news for all. :beer:

Not good news for ATI. The money they've put into the X700XT is lost, and the failure to bring the card to market damages their credibility.
I imagine this was a "cut your losses" type move.

i dont think it hurts their credibility at all. people understand sometimes a company has to cancel a product. i think it would hurt them more if they continued porduction and had an super limited supply like cards in the past

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Just read this over at Hexus:

ATi is set to dramatically strengthen its position in the mid-range sector with a shock decision to drop its recently released RADEON X700XT.

Yep - the strategy seems to be to replace its X700XT ? a competitor to NVIDIA's well received GeForce 6600GT ? with a 12-pipeline RADEON X800 (possibly a RADEON X800 XL variant) featuring a 400MHz GPU core and 500MHz memory clocks, and ship it at an aggressive price-point, thereby enabling its AIB partners - such as Connect3D and GeCUBE - to supply to the channel at $249 or, probably, much less.

If this pans out, then the bottom line is that consumers of 3D gaming accelerators have never had it so good, for so little money.

It appears to have been confirmed by a couple of sources. I hope this pans out soon so I can finally upgrade my 9700Pro. 😀

I still might hold off because I typically like to double my performance for $200, and I think this new midrange card will only be 50-75% faster.

Good news for all. :beer:

Not good news for ATI. The money they've put into the X700XT is lost, and the failure to bring the card to market damages their credibility.
I imagine this was a "cut your losses" type move.

I doubt it will hurt them too much - the X700XT was a paperlaunch the whole time. It never showed up in quantity - it looked like a decoy to give the X700 series credibility vs the 6600GT (which was faster than both cards but faster than the similarly priced X700 Pro by a nice 15%+ margin).

If ATI does get a 12-pipe X800 card down to $249, that will help their bottom line substantially; regardless announcing the X700XT has been cancelled doesn't surprise me at all.

The latest generation from ATi is hurting their credibility, at least from my standpoint. The NV40 and newer cards have more features than the latest set from ATi. As such, even if a competing product from ATi is 10-15% faster than something from nVidia at this point, IMO it's better to go with nVidia for the SM3 support down the line.

Things really appear to be heating up in the graphics world though, with ATi's latest launches, this cancellation, and the soon-to-be released R520 (although I'm not holding my breath this round). I'm personally gonna stick it out a little more with my 9700.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Shades of ATI's 8500 launch, followed by scores of whitebox OEM versions of the card showing up in the channel with lower clockspeeds. This sounds like essentially the same thing, show off a higher-clocked X700XT version to websites, when the actual cards sold on the market were only X700Pro, etc. It kind of made sense to cancel it.

Edit: This makes a good argument for it too, shades of what NVidia has also done in the past.
[q=DaveBaumann]No, thats my point. X800 uses a large die and 256-bit bus, but only 350MHz DDR; X700 XT has a smaller die and 128-bit but expensive 1.6ns GDDR3. Being these are supposed to be volume, mainstream parts the availability of 350MHz DDR is laikely to be far greater than 600MHz GDDR3 and a softening of memory pricess is going to have greater effect on the lower end 350MHz RAM making X800 more viable in X700 XT position.[/quote]

 

[Pnoy02]

Upgrade you 9700pro? not anytime soon, those cards are released as PCI-E and ATI does not have the AGP bridge to bring the card to the masses once its released. You'd need 300$ boards just to use those cards, not worth it at all. ATi seems like the dumbest enterpreneur to me this GPU battle, after the holiday, if the X800 does not release after mid jan, I'll be going Nvidia and not look back, once the demand for the AGP 6600GT drops a little and prices go down from its skyrocket stand point, I'll happily buy one along with a new HD. I'm an ATi fan, was Nvidia then switched to ATi cause of their heart and great products they churned while Nvidia had their nuts up the wall, now they are in a very good position, they shoot themselves in the foot, AGP = majority and they ignored us, screw them.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Pnoy02
Upgrade you 9700pro? not anytime soon, those cards are released as PCI-E and ATI does not have the AGP bridge to bring the card to the masses once its released. You'd need 300$ boards just to use those cards, not worth it at all. ATi seems like the dumbest enterpreneur to me this GPU battle, after the holiday, if the X800 does not release after mid jan, I'll be going Nvidia and not look back, once the demand for the AGP 6600GT drops a little and prices go down from its skyrocket stand point, I'll happily buy one along with a new HD. I'm an ATi fan, was Nvidia then switched to ATi cause of their heart and great products they churned while Nvidia had their nuts up the wall, now they are in a very good position, they shoot themselves in the foot, AGP = majority and they ignored us, screw them.

$300 boards? Once Nvidia gets NF4 (not just the SLI version) out the door there should be PCI-e for the masses at a multitude of pricepoints; the only annoyance is the length of time it's taking them to get NF4 (Ultra and other chipsets) out the door.

 

[ronnn]

I was right the first time (ati has given up on the x700xt). I think they will continue to produce the x700pro for the time being and have read that the x700xt was an oem card only anyways. Meaning that if companies wanted to make one, that was ok with ati. Seems both companies are losing on investments right now - if the stories about the nv48 and 50 being cancelled are true. I guess gpu tech has ran into a wall and improvements are coming at a huge cost.

 

[Hyperlite]

this is very interesting...so ATI cuts off their upper midstream, meanwhile NV decimates their upcoming product line. what is going on?
i Agree, i don't think i'll be buying an ATI until they get their asses in gear with SM3.0. Indeed, and i 've stated this before, ATI has a severe gap in their product line ATM.

 

[Pnoy02]

Uhh, yeah, like most of us will scrap their mobos just to support PCI-E, not all of us have the money to always upgrade or shift hardware + time. By then better technology will be available for cheaper, so why go for yesterdays best bang for the buck when you can have todays top dawg, like I said they shot themselves in the foot by catering to only the minority crowd. Also, Nvidia cut its NV48 and 5o due to those cards being only 3-5% faster than their current line up, pointless to release and adjust the current prices to cater to the new releases when they don't really produce anything extraordinary, like how ATi released their X850 which basically holds nothing special VS their current X800 line. Although their mid end cards look amazing, ATi will take too much time, by then Nvidia will have milked the market with its better tech cards for less money, heck if lowering the cost of the 9800 pro to compete with the 6600gt which crushes it in every single way isn't a sign of ATi's questionability, then I dunno what is, as of right now, I'm very disgruntled about the whole deal.

 

[reever]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Just read this over at Hexus:

ATi is set to dramatically strengthen its position in the mid-range sector with a shock decision to drop its recently released RADEON X700XT.

Yep - the strategy seems to be to replace its X700XT ? a competitor to NVIDIA's well received GeForce 6600GT ? with a 12-pipeline RADEON X800 (possibly a RADEON X800 XL variant) featuring a 400MHz GPU core and 500MHz memory clocks, and ship it at an aggressive price-point, thereby enabling its AIB partners - such as Connect3D and GeCUBE - to supply to the channel at $249 or, probably, much less.

If this pans out, then the bottom line is that consumers of 3D gaming accelerators have never had it so good, for so little money.

It appears to have been confirmed by a couple of sources. I hope this pans out soon so I can finally upgrade my 9700Pro. 😀

I still might hold off because I typically like to double my performance for $200, and I think this new midrange card will only be 50-75% faster.

Good news for all. :beer:

Not good news for ATI. The money they've put into the X700XT is lost, and the failure to bring the card to market damages their credibility.

Compared to the 5800 withdrawl this is nothing

 

[ronnn]

Actually Ati intends to compete in the upper midrange with the x800 line. Should be interesting.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

great news for us, lower prices on faster video cards

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: Pnoy02
Upgrade you 9700pro? not anytime soon, those cards are released as PCI-E and ATI does not have the AGP bridge to bring the card to the masses once its released. You'd need 300$ boards just to use those cards, not worth it at all. ATi seems like the dumbest enterpreneur to me this GPU battle, after the holiday, if the X800 does not release after mid jan, I'll be going Nvidia and not look back, once the demand for the AGP 6600GT drops a little and prices go down from its skyrocket stand point, I'll happily buy one along with a new HD. I'm an ATi fan, was Nvidia then switched to ATi cause of their heart and great products they churned while Nvidia had their nuts up the wall, now they are in a very good position, they shoot themselves in the foot, AGP = majority and they ignored us, screw them.

$300 boards? Once Nvidia gets NF4 (not just the SLI version) out the door there should be PCI-e for the masses at a multitude of pricepoints; the only annoyance is the length of time it's taking them to get NF4 (Ultra and other chipsets) out the door.

Why "annoyance"? Aren't nForce4 Ultras in production now? I'd imagine you'll see them before Christmas if you can't buy them already.

 

[batmanuel]

And meanwhile CompUSA continues to sell the 9800 Pro for a mere $249.99

For the love of God, when will the price of this fricking card drop? I was planning to pick one up when this next gen hit the store shelves for around the same price point, presuming that they would actually start offering deals on it. I've been waiting for a deal. And waiting. And waiting some more.

Now it's to the point that I'm probably better off just holding out for a new NF4 board w/ Athlon 64 and a new midrange PCIe card next spring.

 

[Spikesoldier]

Originally posted by: reever

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Just read this over at Hexus:

ATi is set to dramatically strengthen its position in the mid-range sector with a shock decision to drop its recently released RADEON X700XT.

Yep - the strategy seems to be to replace its X700XT ? a competitor to NVIDIA's well received GeForce 6600GT ? with a 12-pipeline RADEON X800 (possibly a RADEON X800 XL variant) featuring a 400MHz GPU core and 500MHz memory clocks, and ship it at an aggressive price-point, thereby enabling its AIB partners - such as Connect3D and GeCUBE - to supply to the channel at $249 or, probably, much less.

If this pans out, then the bottom line is that consumers of 3D gaming accelerators have never had it so good, for so little money.

It appears to have been confirmed by a couple of sources. I hope this pans out soon so I can finally upgrade my 9700Pro. 😀

I still might hold off because I typically like to double my performance for $200, and I think this new midrange card will only be 50-75% faster.

Good news for all. :beer:

Not good news for ATI. The money they've put into the X700XT is lost, and the failure to bring the card to market damages their credibility.

Compared to the 5800 withdrawl this is nothing

wasnt that the geforce FX?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: reever

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Just read this over at Hexus:

ATi is set to dramatically strengthen its position in the mid-range sector with a shock decision to drop its recently released RADEON X700XT.

Yep - the strategy seems to be to replace its X700XT ? a competitor to NVIDIA's well received GeForce 6600GT ? with a 12-pipeline RADEON X800 (possibly a RADEON X800 XL variant) featuring a 400MHz GPU core and 500MHz memory clocks, and ship it at an aggressive price-point, thereby enabling its AIB partners - such as Connect3D and GeCUBE - to supply to the channel at $249 or, probably, much less.

If this pans out, then the bottom line is that consumers of 3D gaming accelerators have never had it so good, for so little money.

It appears to have been confirmed by a couple of sources. I hope this pans out soon so I can finally upgrade my 9700Pro. 😀

I still might hold off because I typically like to double my performance for $200, and I think this new midrange card will only be 50-75% faster.

Good news for all. :beer:

Not good news for ATI. The money they've put into the X700XT is lost, and the failure to bring the card to market damages their credibility.

Compared to the 5800 withdrawl this is nothing

Of course, they actually sold thousands of those and they were pretty much available everywhere. They supposedly produced 100,000 of them. Do you think 100,000 X700XTs were produced? XT PEs? Nah.

 

[KayKay]

the x800 is a good product i think, it is a bit slower than say 6600gt in terms of raw speed (gpu and memory clocks) but it competes with it much better than i think the x700xt could ever hope to

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: Pnoy02
Upgrade you 9700pro? not anytime soon, those cards are released as PCI-E and ATI does not have the AGP bridge to bring the card to the masses once its released. You'd need 300$ boards just to use those cards, not worth it at all. ATi seems like the dumbest enterpreneur to me this GPU battle, after the holiday, if the X800 does not release after mid jan, I'll be going Nvidia and not look back, once the demand for the AGP 6600GT drops a little and prices go down from its skyrocket stand point, I'll happily buy one along with a new HD. I'm an ATi fan, was Nvidia then switched to ATi cause of their heart and great products they churned while Nvidia had their nuts up the wall, now they are in a very good position, they shoot themselves in the foot, AGP = majority and they ignored us, screw them.

$300 boards? Once Nvidia gets NF4 (not just the SLI version) out the door there should be PCI-e for the masses at a multitude of pricepoints; the only annoyance is the length of time it's taking them to get NF4 (Ultra and other chipsets) out the door.

Why "annoyance"? Aren't nForce4 Ultras in production now? I'd imagine you'll see them before Christmas if you can't buy them already.

Annoyance because I can't buy NF4 Ultra (or even NF4 SLI) yet here in Canada. I couldn't care less if they are 'in production' or not; they aren't available and it's been MONTHS!

These boards were announced in the fall and supposed to come out in late October, then definately November. Now a couple of NF4 SLI boards are trickling through but all the manufacturers don't have boards yet, and more importantly NF4 Ultra isn't out yet.

I think it's a calculated delay to dry up the supply of NF3 boards but regardless, it's annoying. I wanted to be able to buy NF4 U already; the sooner they come out the sooner prices start trickling down 🙂 .

This is all OT though - back to the issue. So, the X700XT is cancelled. What a surprise!! 😉

 

[Avalon]

I'm still waiting for a good s939 overclocking board that's not an MSI, and that I can afford 😛
Crazy GPU cancelations this year. Must be the weather.

*Edit*
More specifically, give me a DFI lanparty, dammit.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Avalon
I'm still waiting for a good s939 overclocking board that's not an MSI, and that I can afford 😛
Crazy GPU cancelations this year. Must be the weather.

So am I, big time. That's why I want NF4 to come out already (and not just the expensinve SLI variant). There should be a whole boatload of choice but they're taking their sweet time...

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: Avalon
I'm still waiting for a good s939 overclocking board that's not an MSI, and that I can afford 😛
Crazy GPU cancelations this year. Must be the weather.

So am I, big time. That's why I want NF4 to come out already (and not just the expensinve SLI variant). There should be a whole boatload of choice but they're taking their sweet time...

Definitely taking their sweet time. Last I checked on Newegg, there were only several boards to choose from. Ugh. Like I said in my previous edit, I demand a DFI lanparty! 😛