ATI HD-5770, is 8,965 a low 3dMark 06 score?

[lakedude]

The system:

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
AMD "Regor" 2.8 GHz dual core @ about 6 watts idle, 65 watts TDP
BIOSTAR A785GE mother board
Hanns·G HG-281DPB Black 28" 3ms Widescreen LCD HDMI Monitor (OMG!!!) (only $310)
PNY XLR8 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) memory
Antec Sonata III 500 case with Earthwatts 500 watt PS
SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 @ 17 watts idle, 112 watts max

The score (@3dMark 06 default settings): 8,965

My old system* with a ATI HD-4850 scored 12,243 so 8,965 seems very low to me.

Ideas? Suggestions? Questions?

TIA!

*Old system:

3.0GHz Core-2-Duo
3GB ram
ATI HD-4850
Vista 32 bit OS

Do you think the Core 2 and the extra ram make that much of a difference in hardware? Or am I more likely looking at driver/compatibility issues?

 

[happy medium]

Must be a driver issue with the new card. I score 13,800 with my 8800gt.
I'm sure in a game situation your system would beat mine by 25% or more.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

That score is oddly low. Perhaps ATi has optimized drivers for 3DMark06, which sounds a bit odd, or there is some conflict with your system. You should definitely be scoring higher than that.

However, what really matters is game performance. You should definitely be experiencing better framerates in the games you play. If you're not, then something is definitely not right.

 

[VirtualLarry]

You're CPU limited. Once the video card reaches about 10K 3dMark06, it's all on the CPU for the rest of the score. Your AMD system is not nearly as fast as that C2D rig.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
You're CPU limited. Once the video card reaches about 10K 3dMark06, it's all on the CPU for the rest of the score. Your AMD system is not nearly as fast as that C2D rig.

well that Core 2 3.0 is certainly a little quicker than his AMD cpu but surely it isnt going to make 3000 points difference now is it?

 

[betasub]

Need to break down the scores in CPU and SM2/SM3 etc to highlight the problem area.

3Dmark06, default (1280x1024) is seriously CPU-dependent.

 

[fausto412]

I went from a ATI x1950 pro 256 MB and getting 30 to 40 fps on Battlefield 2142 using medium settings on my P4 3.0 ghz and DDR2667 RAM, to maxing the game out with my C2D6750 and DDR2 800 RAM and consistenly getting 60+ fps.


Yes the CPU and Ram make a huge difference. There are bunch of benchmarks at tomshardware and here at anandtech looking at the subject. Usually with into you need 2.66 ghz and 2 cores to just about get all the potential out of a video card. Anything higher nets negligeble results for now.


Oh and my 3d Mark went from 5000 to 9000+ i think...little fuzzy since it was a while back.

Later i updated my video card to 8800 gts g92 and my score is now 14000+.

i would go back to intel in a heart beat dude! don't know what you were thinking and who sold you on getting an AMD cpu.

 

[deimos3428]

I would put the 4850 back in to attempt to isolate the problem. I'm guessing it's not the CPU at all, but immature drivers for the 5770. Make sure you have the latest Catalyst release.

 

[Janooo]

How about above 15K?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=28922978&postcount=42

 

[v8envy]

Something is wrong. That AMD cpu should be roughly comprable to core2duo at around 2.8 ghz or so. That doesn't explain a drop from 13k to 9k with a more capable GPU.

The 4850 was definitely no slouch on low resolution benchmarks, but the 5770 should be faster at 1024x768. Much faster. It's effectively a 4890 once you're running at resolution low enough that its crippled memory bandwidth (also 4850's crippled bandwidth) doesn't affect things as much.

Is your CPU clocking up from a cool-n-quiet setting? If it's permanently stuck at 800 mhz then I can expect getting the results you're seeing.

 

[hdfxst]

something's not right with your score.I have the same cpu, with a 4830 @680/1000(this should be close to a stock 4850)and i get this http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=12488900 you either have AA or AF or vsync on

 

[Number1]

Update your driver.

 

[lakedude]

Sorry to take so long getting back, had trouble with my Anandtech account.

Update:

I monkeyed with a few things in the bios and got my score up quite a bit. This particular bios had manual options for turning the MB video off that were different than my other systems. I still don't understand all the settings but manually disabling the on board video has helped a lot.

Tweaking the memory timings from the automatically selected 5-5-5-18 to the memory's rated 4-4-4-12 timings helped a little too.

At the stock CPU speed my score is about 12,000 (3dmark06) now which is a lot closer to what I expected.

A 10% CPU (not GPU) overclock yields a score around 13,000.

Does anybody know what this means?

1) PCI-GFX0-GPP-IGFX (Default)
2) GFX0-GPP-IGFX-PCI
3) GPP-GFX0-IGFX-PCI
4) IGFX-GFX0-GPP-PCI

 

[betasub]

Are those the BIOS options for setting the preferred order for video device on booting?

 

[AzN]

Score seems normal. 3dmark is dependent on CPU once you have enough GPU power. Who cares about synthetic score. Only the data is viable not the score.

 

[hans030390]

Run 3dMark Vantage if you can, but only the GPU tests. That's basically all dependent on your 5770. You should score about 9000 with it.

 

[lakedude]

Are those the BIOS options for setting the preferred order for video device on booting?

Yes

There is no explanation of what each code represents.

My guesses:



PCI = standard (non video) PCI slots

GFX0 = PCIx16 slot

GPP = ???

IGFX = Internal Graphics

 

[brownstone]

Yes

There is no explanation of what each code represents.

My guesses:



PCI = standard (non video) PCI slots

GFX0 = PCIx16 slot

GPP = ???

IGFX = Internal Graphics

I can't remember offhand what the GPP stands for either, but you are right on the GFX0. That is the video card (5770) you want to have selected first.

 

[yacoub]

so perhaps you were originally benching with integrated graphics enabled in the BIOS and now you're actually benching the 5770?

 

[lakedude]

so perhaps you were originally benching with integrated graphics enabled in the BIOS and now you're actually benching the 5770?

I doubt that the MB graphics could score 8 or 9k. More likely IMO is that the MB graphics increased the system load and slowed down the 5770.

UPDATE:

I downloaded Vantage and got a single use key but I've not benched with it because I only get one shot and I want to do it right.

The new 911 drivers have been installed and make no difference. In fact Windows refused to update claiming there was no need. I manually downloaded the newest drivers but the score is the same.

BTW I do know to shut off v-sync, AF and AA while benching. There is a new settings called "enforce smooth video playback" or something that looks interesting...

Current score with new drivers, stock CPU speed:

http://yfrog.com/jl3d0664bitw728at28ati577p

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Your latest score looks fine to me. Here are my results:

3DMark Score 9948 3DMarks
SM 2.0 Score 4429
SM 3.0 Score 4792
CPU Score 2241

As you can see, your SM2.0 and 3.0 scores are much higher than mine, and CPU score is basically the same. Looks about right. I browsed futuremark's site, and if you had a quad core your score would jump up 2000 points.

http://service.futuremark.com/searc...us=-100&graphicsdriver=3&operatingsystem=-100

 

[lakedude]

Yeah, it looks like the CPU is holding the rig back at this point. A 10% CPU OC bumps the score up about 1000 points which is telling. 9k was just horrible, 12k is a hair lower than I expected but at least it is in the ballpark.

Thanks everyone for your help and suggestions!

 

[lakedude]

Your latest score looks fine to me. Here are my results:

3DMark Score 9948 3DMarks
SM 2.0 Score 4429
SM 3.0 Score 4792
CPU Score 2241

As you can see, your SM2.0 and 3.0 scores are much higher than mine, and CPU score is basically the same. Looks about right. I browsed futuremark's site, and if you had a quad core your score would jump up 2000 points.

http://service.futuremark.com/searc...us=-100&graphicsdriver=3&operatingsystem=-100

Yep

Got me one of them i5-750s and got it put together today. With the exact same 5770 video card the score has jumped up to 15,702 (3dMark06) which I'm very happy with.

I still have not checked out Vantage...

the latest:

http://yfrog.com/b6i5750wsingle5770onxpcroj

 

[lakedude]

W7 benches slightly higher...

http://yfrog.com/j9i5single5770w78gbp

W7 experience:

http://yfrog.com/j9w7experiancei5single577p

Crossfire benchmarks coming up...

 

[alireza]

The system:

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
AMD "Regor" 2.8 GHz dual core @ about 6 watts idle, 65 watts TDP
BIOSTAR A785GE mother board
Hanns·G HG-281DPB Black 28" 3ms Widescreen LCD HDMI Monitor (OMG!!!) (only $310)
PNY XLR8 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) memory
Antec Sonata III 500 case with Earthwatts 500 watt PS
SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 @ 17 watts idle, 112 watts max

The score (@3dMark 06 default settings): 8,965

My old system* with a ATI HD-4850 scored 12,243 so 8,965 seems very low to me.

Ideas? Suggestions? Questions?

TIA!

*Old system:

3.0GHz Core-2-Duo
3GB ram
ATI HD-4850
Vista 32 bit OS

Do you think the Core 2 and the extra ram make that much of a difference in hardware? Or am I more likely looking at driver/compatibility issues?

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The main idea is that your CPU and Mobo bottlenecks your graphics card so terribly! you have to purchase a core i5 (750 or 760) or better CPU (core i7 series) and a compatible mobo (p55 chipset mobo from msi or gigabyte or asus, biostar is not a competitive brand in mobo market in comparison to other mentioned brands!!) and 4 GBs of RAM. I sugest MSI P55 series like MSI p55-gd65 or P55-gd80 as I have it and works perfectly for me. All in one this awesome VGA (HD 5770) is not compatible with other system configurations of yours anyway! so I suggest you to buy those hardwares to see the great and real power of the HD 5770 graphics card:
my sys spc:
Microsoft Windows 7 ultimate 32-bit
Intel core i5-760 2.80 GHz- 95 watts TDP
MSI P55-GD80 mother board
Corsair 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 SDRAM memory
SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 @ 17 watts idle, 112 watts max

3Mark detailed scores:

15954.0 3DMarks


SM2.0 Score
6376.0


HDR/SM3.0 Score
7425.0


CPU Score
4475.0


Game Score
N/A


GT1 - Return To Proxycon
51.85 FPS


GT2 - Firefly Forest
54.42 FPS


CPU1 - Red Valley
1.47 FPS


CPU2 - Red Valley
2.19 FPS


HDR1 - Canyon Flight
71.65 FPS


HDR2 - Deep Freeze
76.85 FPS

I hope it help you honey!