ATI Fried??

[brazzmunk]

I have ati Radeon 8500 and i get random BSOD's regarding video card. I was suggested to change drivers and i have.. different ones the newest one and the old ones.. i have reinstalled windows, and changed settings in bios.. underclocked system but even then BSOD's crawl back. I Used ATI TOOL to find ARTIFACTS and it would freeze up after ONE second, playing UT2004 is wierd too.. it get's all choppy and skips frames....

IS MY VIDEO CARD GONE???

 

[xbassman]

is the fan on it still running?

 

[bigboxes]

It sounds like your vid card is saying "bye-bye", but it could just be a symptom of other problems. Check out your psu and ram. Are you having any other problems with you pc's performance? It looks like your vid card is your bottleneck. Would be a good excuse to upgrade your vid card if you have to.

 

[brazzmunk]

yes, i have lubricated it recently.. i even applied AS5 on video card memory

 

[xbassman]

Originally posted by: brazzmunk
yes, i have lubricated it recently.. i even applied AS5 on video card memory

Are you saying you put ram sinks on your VC memory or just spread AS5 on them?

Anyway, if you like gaming it's probably time to replace it anyway. You can pick up cards that will kill that one pretty cheap.

 

[brazzmunk]

yeah i allpied thermal grease directly on memory

 

[xbassman]

Originally posted by: brazzmunk
yeah i allpied thermal grease directly on memory

I would start by removing the grease.....
If you don't have sinks on them, the grease will probably increase temps.
The purpose of HS grease is to remove air gaps between chip and heatsink thus improving heat transfer to the sink.

I'll bet the grease is insulating your ram chips, holding in the heat.

 

[Brian48]

The RAM chips are not protected with a heat spreader like the GPU. Spreading AS5 directly on video card RAM modules is very dangerous since the leads are exposed and AS5 is electrically conductive. This is why it's always recommended to stick with thermal tape when it comes to the RAM modules. All it takes is a micro amount of AS5 in the wrong nook or cranny and you've got a short. If you can't get the card to work properly in another machine, I'd say it's ruined.

 

[brazzmunk]

i will do that, but onequestion.,.. could me using ATITOOL and UNDERCLOCKING it drastically do some damage? i had it down to 60Mhz (memory and core) at one point by mistake

 

[xbassman]

Originally posted by: brazzmunk
i will do that, but onequestion.,.. could me using ATITOOL and UNDERCLOCKING it drastically do some damage? i had it down to 60Mhz (memory and core) at one point by mistake

I am not an expert here, but I really don't think that would hurt it a bit.

 

[brazzmunk]

i read on Arctic Silver web site that the compound does not conduct electricity Arcticsilver
but i guess since it's silver it would conduct somewhat

 

[RadiclDreamer]

They say its not conductive, but they also say not to bridge pins/traces etc with it

 

[tm37]

Had the same issue and I realized my rig was running WAY TOO HOT!!!

Check you system temps and the make sure you have good airflow.

I added a fan in the back and all was good.

That 8500 is still running rock solid in my cousin's system.

 

[brazzmunk]

my temps are very stable, vcore is at 1.5v and temps don't go above 45 at full load, i cleaned my video card thoroughly but the problem persists.

 

[brazzmunk]

ok so if i get ATI Tool Artifacts with memtest and prime running stable suggests my video card is no good...

2005-01-23 09:37:41 ATITool v0.0.23 started.
2005-01-23 09:37:42 Detected GPU Chip: R200 (514C), 4 Pipelines, 64 MB
2005-01-23 09:37:42 Temperature monitoring: not supported
2005-01-23 09:37:47 Scan for Artifacts started... Core: 249.75 Mhz Memory: 249.75 Mhz
2005-01-23 09:37:47 Scan for Artifacts running for: 0:00:00
2005-01-23 09:37:47 Artifacts detected after 00:00.07. 60209 pixels don't match.
2005-01-23 10:01:03 ATITool v0.0.23 started.
2005-01-23 10:01:03 Detected GPU Chip: R200 (514C), 4 Pipelines, 64 MB
2005-01-23 10:01:03 Temperature monitoring: not supported
2005-01-23 10:01:06 Application terminated.
2005-01-23 13:00:11 ATITool v0.0.23 started.
2005-01-23 13:00:11 Detected GPU Chip: R200 (514C), 4 Pipelines, 64 MB
2005-01-23 13:00:11 Temperature monitoring: not supported
2005-01-23 13:01:08 Application terminated.
2005-01-23 17:17:52 ATITool v0.0.23 started.
2005-01-23 17:17:52 Detected GPU Chip: R200 (514C), 4 Pipelines, 64 MB
2005-01-23 17:17:52 Temperature monitoring: not supported
2005-01-23 17:17:54 Scan for Artifacts started... Core: 249.75 Mhz Memory: 249.75 Mhz
2005-01-23 17:17:54 Scan for Artifacts running for: 0:00:00
2005-01-23 17:17:54 Artifacts detected after 00:00.09. 59865 pixels don't match.
2005-01-23 17:30:48 ATITool v0.0.23 started.
2005-01-23 17:30:48 Detected GPU Chip: R200 (514C), 4 Pipelines, 64 MB
2005-01-23 17:30:48 Temperature monitoring: not supported
2005-01-23 17:30:49 Scan for Artifacts started... Core: 249.75 Mhz Memory: 249.75 Mhz
2005-01-23 17:30:49 Scan for Artifacts running for: 0:00:00
2005-01-23 17:30:49 Artifacts detected after 00:00.09. 59865 pixels don't match.
2005-01-23 17:43:11 ATITool v0.0.23 started.

Where it states "terminated" my system froze before the test started.. and in any occasion when artifacts are detected system freezeswith BSOD ati3duag.dll error

 

[Squally Leonharty]

That sounds pretty similar to a problem I've had earlier with my X800 XT PE. This happened when I upgraded the ATI Catalyst drivers to 5.1. ATITool would show artifacts as well as several games. I encountered many BSOD's, too.

Downgrading to 4.12 solved the problem for me. Everything's perfect now. So if you have Catalyst 5.1, remove them and use 4.12 instead until the next driver release (5.2). Good luck!

Oh, and if you're wondering, I've always done the proper removal steps, i.e. remove, go to safe mode, driver cleaner, reboot, install drivers, reboot.

 

[brazzmunk]

where can i get the information on proper uninstall??

 

[Squally Leonharty]

It's just as I said: uninstall the drivers with Add&Remove Programs, reboot to Safe Mode, use Driver Cleaner to clean all ATI drivers (http://drivercleaner.net), reboot into normal Windows mode, install new drivers, reboot when prompted. That's it.

 

[brazzmunk]

thanx that actually helped with artifacts.. BSOD i still have to see.. but UT2004 still has wierd lags that seem to skip. It didn't have them before

 

[Terumo]

Originally posted by: brazzmunk
thanx that actually helped with artifacts.. BSOD i still have to see.. but UT2004 still has wierd lags that seem to skip. It didn't have them before

Think the AS5 had damaged your videocard. Why did you apply it in the first place? Doing so could void the warranty and you might have to buy a new one. Some mods should be avoided unless you are willing to void any RMA (like I did with lapping this P4 -- an experiment that didn't offer any advantage).

But I'd stay away from ATI, as they have a history of BAD drivers. Had 3 videocards and one capture card from them, all died or had serious driver problems (stock system, so no mods and OCing). Last 5 years with NVIDIA and not one videocard failed (1 year with a Viper TNT card, and 4 years with a Geforce 2 Ti -- each handling the crunch of 3D modelling and rendering too).

 

[brazzmunk]

Sorry guys it's me again with my BSOD problems... umm u just got another one.. alcxsens.sys??... i am not sure what that is but my asus probe had dll errors after restart

 

[Squally Leonharty]

That file is related to your onboard sound. I'd suggest updating your drivers. Your A8V motherboard has a Realtek '97 onboard chipset.

More info here: http://forums.matrixfans.net/showthread.php?p=395565

You can get the latest driver here (choose "Windows 98Gold/98se/Me/2000/XP for Driver only. For Windows 98 SE, DirectX(R)8 is required to enable advanced features."): http://www.realtek.com.tw/down...series=8&Software=True (even if that doesn't fix it, which I seriously doubt, this new driver has some good improvements)

 

[xbassman]

Hey Brazzmunk.....
It sure is starting to sound like your whole system is unstable.
Your sig says 3000+ @ 2.5. Can you Prime95 overnight without errors? Memtest86 also?

The box I am typing on right now is an overclocked Barton 2500+ @ 2.2 ghz. The reason I stopped there is that I can't pass those tests with even a bump of 3 mhz fsb without massively adding voltage.

That said, this computer never crashes except for the occassional bad software issue.