Ati equivalent to GTX 460

[fourty03]

Hello all again

I recently got a Pailit GTX 460 1GB , and I just recently upgraded my motherboard and CPU (this was an unexpected upgrade) after getting the GTX 460.

I have now:

Phenom II X4 955
Gigabyte 890GPA-UDH3
(2) Crucial SSD's 64gb each
1 TB Samsung F3
Palit 1GB GTX 460 (sonic)
8GB OCZ RAM


I ask for the equivalent because I just bought a 3rd LCD and currently,
I have all three displays running (2 off the GTX and 1 off the onboard ATI) and I really want either to have the surround view and have the games span across the three displays.

I like Nvidia's platform due to the compatibility for 3d, and my motherboard does not support SLI. I know there are hacks for getting it to work, and I might look into it if it's worth it.

Any advice guys ? Thanks !

 

[magomago]

5830 kinda?

 

[happy medium]

If I were in your shoes, i'd see if my board will hack sli, if that works buy another gtx 460. I know mine works.

If not sell the gtx460 and buy 2 6850's or a 6950 for eyefinity. 1 6850 and eyefinity would be a waste IMHO.

 

[3DVagabond]

The 6850 is going to be the most comparable. Dual 460's are a better solution, assuming the hacks work well. Maybe someone with experience can chime in.

 

[busydude]

If I were in your shoes, i'd see if my board will hack sli, if that works buy another gtx 460. I know mine works. If not sell the gtx460 and buy 2 6850's or a 6950 for eyefinity. 1 6850 and eyefinity would be a waste IMHO.

This!

Go for a 2 GB 6950.. if you plan to sell that GTX 460.

 

[happy medium]

The sli hack should work on your board.

http://xdevs.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.30

and some results.
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=638013

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=244817

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=231383

Like I said , my motherboard is allready hacked, so it works.

 

[Rifter]

I would use the SLI hack since you already have one 460, doesnt make sense to sell a 460 just to buy 2 6850's.

I really wish AMD boards would get there crap together and offer SLI compatibility, i hope they fix this with BD/AM3+.

Personally i wouldn't buy a board from either side that doesnt support multi GPU's from both vendors. This seems to limit you to intel boards currently but it would be nice if AMD could offer competition in this market.

 

[3DVagabond]

nVidia - We'd like people who buy your boards to be able to use our cards in SLI with them.

AMD - That's fine.

nVidia - Cool! So, you'll pay us so we can sell more cards.

AMD -

 

[happy medium]

nVidia - We'd like people who buy your boards to be able to use our cards in SLI with them.

AMD - That's fine we know you sell more cards then us and that should sell more of our boards.

nVidia - Cool! So, you'll pay us so we can sell more cards and you can sell more boards.

AMd - sounds good we are getting our ass handed to us by Intel and need all the money we can get because we hardly ever make a profit and are about to go bankrupt.

AMD -

Fixed. :thumbsup:

 

[SickBeast]

If AMD and NV can't play nice regarding a simple feature like this, how are we ever going to have a PhysX standard that everyone uses?

 

[RavenSEAL]

Hd6850

 

[fourty03]

Ok thanks fellas !
you guys are to funny there.. lol


I am doing some much reading on the sli hack and will post an update on my progress.
I will go out tomorrow and get the additional card.

With the second, additional GTX460 GPU in, will it enable a "spannable" desktop?

My main purpose is to span Flight Sim X on 3 monitors and other games.. I rather not purchase the TripleHead hardware just for one game here.

I've read that it was impossible to get my onboard video (ati 4350) working with this GTX 460 and using the surround view enabled in the bios. I currently have 3 monitors up and running, but no "span" desktop.

 

[NoQuarter]

Not sure why AMD is suppose to pay nVidia so nVidia can use something already on the board.. (dual PCI-e slots)

But 6870 is probably closest to the 460. I actually do Eyefinity on a 5770, but plan on picking up a 6950 this week.

 

[-Slacker-]

AMD - That's fine we know you sell more cards then us

Sauce?

 

[badb0y]

I don't know much about computer but if you need to charge for a service that the end user can implement themselves than you need to (Insert Word) yourself.

 

[Rifter]

I don't know much about computer but if you need to charge for a service that the end user can implement themselves than you need to (Insert Word) yourself.

What really doesnt make sense to me is why AMD boards dont support SLI. I brought this up in the BD thread and JFAMD informed me it was not the chipset that needed to support it(which is what i thought originally) but the board maker that needs to license it, fair enough.

So what i dont get is why Asus, Gigabyte and the rest will spend the $5-10 to license SLI for their Intel chipset boards but will not spend the $5-10 to license it for their AMD based boards. Seems like some epic fail on Asus/Gigabyte and the others parts.

The license fee has to be cheap, SLI intel boards are max $10 more than the non SLI licensed counterparts, so why do board makers spend the cash for intel chipset and not AMD?

 

[badb0y]

What really doesnt make sense to me is why AMD boards dont support SLI. I brought this up in the BD thread and JFAMD informed me it was not the chipset that needed to support it(which is what i thought originally) but the board maker that needs to license it, fair enough.

So what i dont get is why Asus, Gigabyte and the rest will spend the $5-10 to license SLI for their Intel chipset boards but will not spend the $5-10 to license it for their AMD based boards. Seems like some epic fail on Asus/Gigabyte and the others parts.

The license fee has to be cheap, SLI intel boards are max $10 more than the non SLI licensed counterparts, so why do board makers spend the cash for intel chipset and not AMD?

According to Softpedia:
"Nvidia finally decided to let more customers enjoy its SLI technology by opening up a software SLI licensing to OEMs and ODMs, yet, while Intel is included in the list, the graphics card manufacturer specifically stated that AMD would be left out. Even so, this is a step forward since, for quite a long time, only Nvidia's own chips supported the SLI feature. Although there was no apparent technological reason for this state of affairs, AMD and Intel chipsets could not run SLI."
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nvidia-No-SLI-for-AMD-Based-Motherboards-92800.shtml

Take it with a grain of salt for now while I look for more credible sources.

 

[Rifter]

According to Softpedia:
"Nvidia finally decided to let more customers enjoy its SLI technology by opening up a software SLI licensing to OEMs and ODMs, yet, while Intel is included in the list, the graphics card manufacturer specifically stated that AMD would be left out. Even so, this is a step forward since, for quite a long time, only Nvidia's own chips supported the SLI feature. Although there was no apparent technological reason for this state of affairs, AMD and Intel chipsets could not run SLI."
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nvidia-No-SLI-for-AMD-Based-Motherboards-92800.shtml

Take it with a grain of salt for now while I look for more credible sources.

That doesnt make sense though as it is not intel paying the fee, according to JFAMD its the board makers, like asus, gigabyte, MSI, Asrock, ECS, etc.

EDIT: so even if Nvidia wont let AMD pay the fee it doesnt matter, as its the makers of the board not the chipset that need to pay.

 

[badb0y]

That doesnt make sense though as it is not intel paying the fee, according to JFAMD its the board makers, like asus, gigabyte, MSI, Asrock, ECS, etc.

EDIT: so even if Nvidia wont let AMD pay the fee it doesnt matter, as its the makers of the board not the chipset that need to pay.

Not sure but it seems like nVidia is locking themselves out of AMD based motherboards, I am not 100% sure on this but that's how I see it.

 

[busydude]

Not sure but it seems like nVidia is locking themselves out of AMD based motherboards, I am not 100% sure on this but that's how I see it.

I see that way too. I mean.. if it is all about board makers, I cannot think of a single reason for them NOT to buy the SLI license.. if they are buying license for Intel based boards.. what is stopping them from buying license for AMD boards? The only possible explanation is that its Nvidia that is blocking the license for AMD boards.


Also, I guess unless Nvidia explicitly states that it does not sell license to AMD.. no one can point finger at them, especially JFAMD. And since AMD is not losing anything by Nvidia's actions they are not terribly worried about this.

 

[3DVagabond]

Intel has made SLI and crossfire part of the spec for their mobo's starting with X58. Whoever pays it, Intel, Gigabyte, etc... you don't have a choice with the latest Intel chipsets. Maybe AMD doesn't have the clout, or desire, to force the mobo manufacturers to license SLI for their chipsets. Given the option, they opt out?

 

[OCGuy]

AMD needs SLI more than nV needs AMD. The recent success of the GPU division is not going to make up for Bulldozer if it is a flop or keeps getting pushed back.

 

[Rifter]

Well why dont the boaqrd makers just start offering SLI on AMD boards? with or without Nvidias permission, just add the bios string and call it a day.

Its not like Nvidia can just pull SLI licensing from them(board makers) because since nvidia dont make chipsets themselves anymore they need the boardmakers for SLI support. If they pulled licensing then NO boards would support it and they would be screwed. I think the board makers if a few of them did this at the same time and started supporting SLI on AMD then Nvidia would be helpless to stop them.

 

[badb0y]

AMD needs SLI more than nV needs AMD. The recent success of the GPU division is not going to make up for Bulldozer if it is a flop or keeps getting pushed back.

AMD doesn't need nVidia at all, they make their own GPUs...

 

[NoQuarter]

Well why dont the boaqrd makers just start offering SLI on AMD boards? with or without Nvidias permission, just add the bios string and call it a day.

Its not like Nvidia can just pull SLI licensing from them(board makers) because since nvidia dont make chipsets themselves anymore they need the boardmakers for SLI support. If they pulled licensing then NO boards would support it and they would be screwed. I think the board makers if a few of them did this at the same time and started supporting SLI on AMD then Nvidia would be helpless to stop them.

Helpless but for a multi-million dollar lawsuit..