ATI = corporate fraud

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Madellga
I tought the forums were a place to discuss issues, technology, help each other and provide tips for our conrades.

Instead, we have the usual FUD and OT threads. Who cares about what Nvidia and ATI are doing on their day by day business? This is not a business forum.

So everybody here knows how to run a company? Did you score always 100% in all things in your lifes? You should apply for the job and make it work then....

Ford, Boeing, GE, all companies have tons of problems. We actually get paid to solve their issues: engineering, administration, computer software glitches. Be grateful they are doing that. The day they will be doing 100% fine they will layoff a lot of people.

There is an old saying like this: "the one who doesn't make mistakes is the one that doesn't do anything at all"......

I agree. ATI being sued has nothing to do with video at all. Why is it in this forum? Move it to Politics and News. It has no place here.

 

[KeepItRed]

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[Ackmed]

Good job jumping on the bandwagon guys, thinking they were all guilty. That backfired.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Good job jumping on the bandwagon guys, thinking they were all guilty. That backfired.

I'm still not convinced all suits are resolved here- it seems to me that others besides HO were named?

As far as the usual ATI defense leagues new found concern over what does and does not belong in video:
1. If this were nVidia, you'd have no problem with it.
2. When a company that makes video cards is sued by many people, IMO video is a good place for it.
3. Video has always had quarterly results, acquisition, contract (e.g. XBox) and other types of business info in it. Maybe some should quit pretending they're mods and trying to limit others use of a forum, when they people doing the limiting have no association with AT whatsoever. :thumbsdown:
(if that's not clear: You can tell me what I can and can't say, you're free to do that. I'm also free to tell you you're wasting your breath.)

 

[Madellga]

That's cool. Do what I say but don't do what I do.

Get a life....(a real one)

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
The usual suspects spreading FUD.

What FUD Jiffy?

What FUD Rollo? Perhaps posts like this (taken from page 1):

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
What does this all mean? Will ATI execs be thrown in jail? Will ATI's doors close as a result of this? Do the execs feel the doors will close or the bubble will burst and so they dumped their stock? Will they prosper from this? No idea.

All this crap is mounting up. There is something huge going on at ATI. Unfortunately, I smell demise. This really sux. I think?

^What a steaming pile. You, keysplayr, Genx87 (among others) take this stuff way to seriously and I find it interesting, ironic, funny, and sad that you take this video card "battle" (as you guys see it) so seriously that you scour the web for news or FUD, whatever suits your aims.

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Good job jumping on the bandwagon guys, thinking they were all guilty. That backfired.

I'm still not convinced all suits are resolved here- it seems to me that others besides HO were named?

As far as the usual ATI defense leagues new found concern over what does and does not belong in video:
1. If this were nVidia, you'd have no problem with it.

This is what you always do Rollo. You're such a big fan of Nvidia that you think that everybody sees in black and white like you do. You think that everyone is rooting for one side or another, when in reality there's cheerleaders (like you) and then there's people who just pick whatever's best for them, usually because it hits a good price/performance ratio. Empathy is a skill you sorely lack.

I remember when ATI dropped their first-party warranties to one year - you posted and posted and posted again in a multipage thread you created on how this is a sure sign of the company going down hill, quality turning to crap, etc. You read into every little bit of news and then blow it out of proportion for either side. It's funny because you've posted so many contradictions that anytime you say something, I just have to laugh because I know you would be saying the exact opposite if the situation was reversed (eg. SM 2.0 being worthless, then SM 3.0 being the best thing since sliced bread. I don't need to hear your argument clarified on this either, btw ).

 

[nRollo]

Jiffy, computer gaming is our hobby? We read about it and come across this stuff.

Six people filing suit against ATI for insider trading in a year they just paid $900,000 in fines for insider trading is big news.

I wonder how many of the valiant defenders here would be doing the same if nVidia were the one facing 6 lawsuits? And if it would be "appropriate" for the video card forum then?

I think we all know the answer there. Remember when a nVidia employee leaked their internal sales materials that pointed out the advantages of nVs line over the Kyro 2 how the flames raged for months about the "evil of nVidia"? And that was just standard marketing stuff never meant for public consumption.

What you are seeing here is the way it is on boards like this everywhere, to some extent. You've been around more than long enough to know that.


EDIT:

remember when ATI dropped their first-party warranties to one year - you posted and posted and posted again in a multipage thread you created on how this is a sure sign of the company going down hill, quality turning to crap, etc. You read into every little bit of news and then blow it out of proportion for either side.

ATI cutting their warranty by 66% is somehow a good sign? There's nothing to read into that- for consumers, their warranty went from pretty good to sucking. If I'm Joe Average buying a card every couple years, you could be very sure it would not be BBA getting my $600 for a X1800XT. That thing is probably clocked to it's limit, overvolted, and someone with a warranty would get my money.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Madellga
That's cool. Do what I say but don't do what I do.

Get a life....(a real one)

I'm pleased with the life I have, I don't need another. Thanks anyway.

 

[Stoneburner]

Rollo, Corporate insider trading suits are pretty much automatic. There's not even a presumption of wrongdoing, it's just that people with alot of money can sue others with alot of money pretty easily and the rules are designed to allow suits easily so that management is kept on its toes. the problem is winning the cases, the current S.CT. has limited the ability to do so drastically since the 80's.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Good job jumping on the bandwagon guys, thinking they were all guilty. That backfired.

I'm still not convinced all suits are resolved here- it seems to me that others besides HO were named?

As far as the usual ATI defense leagues new found concern over what does and does not belong in video:
1. If this were nVidia, you'd have no problem with it.
2. When a company that makes video cards is sued by many people, IMO video is a good place for it.
3. Video has always had quarterly results, acquisition, contract (e.g. XBox) and other types of business info in it. Maybe some should quit pretending they're mods and trying to limit others use of a forum, when they people doing the limiting have no association with AT whatsoever. :thumbsdown:
(if that's not clear: You can tell me what I can and can't say, you're free to do that. I'm also free to tell you you're wasting your breath.)

I didnt say they were all not guilty. I said good job thinking that they "were all guilty", when now we know they arent.

It was said earlier in this post, thats its ignorant to believe that they are, based on a allegation.

You dont know what I would have a problem with. Some be ignorant, and assume.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Some be ignorant, and assume.

LOL

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I wonder how many of the valiant defenders here would be doing the same if nVidia were the one facing 6 lawsuits? And if it would be "appropriate" for the video card forum then?

Those of us who aren't totally biased in one direction would hardly take notice. McDonalds's got sued for a woman spilling hot coffee on herself. Lawsuits are hardly front page news these days. Most of us in the Video forums prefer to talk about video hardware.

Originally posted by: Rollo
If I'm Joe Average buying a card every couple years, you could be very sure it would not be BBA getting my $600 for a X1800XT. That thing is probably clocked to it's limit, overvolted, and someone with a warranty would get my money.

:roll: Whatever. More Rollo Anti-ATI FUD based on wishful thinking.

DriverHeaven X1800XT Overclocking article

Funny, their tests show the X1800XT to have a good bit of headroom over stock.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Rollo
If I'm Joe Average buying a card every couple years, you could be very sure it would not be BBA getting my $600 for a X1800XT. That thing is probably clocked to it's limit, overvolted, and someone with a warranty would get my money.

:roll: Whatever. More Rollo Anti-ATI FUD based on wishful thinking.

Based more on they would have clocked it higher if they could? If they have such great yields at 625, where are the cards Creig? Why do we have a few XLs and not XTs? Trying to whip up enough to bring to market perhaps?

DriverHeaven X1800XT Overclocking article

Funny, their tests show the X1800XT to have a good bit of headroom over stock.

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Not many outside the valiant defenders of ATI consider Driver Heaven much of a resource Creig. They've shown their bias and inaccuracy time and time again.

Also, you can't really generalize OCing based on press samples Creig. :roll: You may not believe this, but I've heard companies hand pick the best ones?

Hey, 12 days after "launch" and still only three vendors on Pricewatch advertising XLs- and one of those says "limited stock". They're really flooding the market with these things at 500MHz, I imagine the 625s will be in much more plentiful supply.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Not many outside the valiant defenders of ATI consider Driver Heaven much of a resource Creig. They've shown their bias and inaccuracy time and time again.

Yes, and you've shown yours. At least they're basing their opinion on testing instead of some off the cuff remark like "That thing is probably clocked to it's limit, overvolted". VERY scientific testing methodology you have there.

Originally posted by: Rollo
Also, you can't really generalize OCing based on press samples Creig. :roll: You may not believe this, but I've heard companies hand pick the best ones?

Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Nobody knows for sure yet. But from actual testing so far, it APPEARS that there is headroom to spare. And I'll take testing data over somebody's offhand remark every time.

Originally posted by: Rollo
Hey, 12 days after "launch" and still only three vendors on Pricewatch advertising XLs- and one of those says "limited stock". They're really flooding the market with these things at 500MHz, I imagine the 625s will be in much more plentiful supply.

Who knows why. But scarcity is not necessarily tied to overclocking potential.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig

Who knows why. But scarcity is not necessarily tied to overclocking potential.

You're right. It's tied to yield/production problems.

 

[Ackmed]

Who cares what Pricewatch says? I looked at my four fav stores, and they all have them in stock, and under MSRP.

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=321338
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102610
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant...=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=190704
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=AA38690

Even if you go by Pricewatch, they show 6, four of them different than the ones I listed. Twice as many as claimed. So now thats 10 vendors, with all of 2mins of looking. I added 99 to my cart at newegg... quanity doesnt seem to be a problem. Not to mention Fry's selling them (and others) off the shelf. No they arent as pentiful as the 7800GT's were at lauch, but they are far from hard to get ahold of.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Who cares what Pricewatch says? I looked at my four fav stores, and they all have them in stock, and under MSRP.

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=321338
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102610
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant...=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=190704
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=AA38690

Even if you go by Pricewatch, they show 6, four of them different than the ones I listed. Twice as many as claimed. So now thats 10 vendors, with all of 2mins of looking. I added 99 to my cart at newegg... quanity doesnt seem to be a problem. Not to mention Fry's selling them (and others) off the shelf. No they arent as pentiful as the 7800GT's were at lauch, but they are far from hard to get ahold of.

My bad Ackmed. I didn't look at the top thread, I thought they had just double posted.

Nonetheless, two of your vendors are in the first six, so that's not "10". The last time I ordered from buyextremegear on an "in stock" item (my first 6800GT) I got it over 2 weeks later because to them "in stock" meant coming someday.

Probably worse than that, "less than MSRP" is still "more than far superior 7800GTX".

Almost as bad, 3 of your 4 links are for cheesy BBA cards with lame 1 year warranties.


Nitromullet comes through in the clutch!

People of AT, I hereby save you from making a god-awful video card buying mistake!

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications...details.asp?EdpNo=1549681&Sku=B52-1030
$290 for the same level of performance these $440 X1800XLs offer! Tough call there- same performance and enough money left over to buy a badass motherboard, or FEAR, Q4, and SS2.
Sheesh. I can buy two cases of my favorite beer for $150!

 

[Madellga]

Can someone get paid to be a professional poster?

I can't understand how people have time to read all this junk and post/reply from early morning to late evening.

This is just not compatible with a real job in a real life.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Madellga
Can someone get paid to be a professional poster?

I can't understand how people have time to read all this junk and post/reply from early morning to late evening.

This is just not compatible with a real job in a real life.

Sign me up if they can!

 

[Ackmed]

Huh, I prove you wrong, give you links of cards in stock (more than you claimed), under MSRP. Still you go try to belittle the cards, and availability. Humph.

 

[deadseasquirrel]

It's good that they're getting out there, and I'm glad they aren't ABOVE msrp (like all last gen cards were for months), but still, even under msrp like they are now, they're $100 more than their direct competition (or more if you count the Tiger Direct deal). That's a tough sell no matter how you look at it.