ATI CCC question

[Conky]

I've never had any issues with the CCC that comes with the full ATI driver package.

But I have experienced issues running "ATI Tray Tools" instead of using the CCC as advised by some. It has caused more than a couple freezes that can only be attributed to ATI Tray Tools. I like some of it's features but I can not deal with software that hangs my otherwise smooth-running and stable system.

Comments?

*speeling eddit*

 

[5150Joker]

edit: nvm

 

[tuteja1986]

because people want to buy 2GB of ram and then cry if a software\driver uses 17MB of memory

People cry over anything these days "IE" "Microsoft" ".net" "java" ...

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
because people want to buy 2GB of ram and then cry if a software\driver uses 17MB of memory

Hehe yep.

 

[RampantAndroid]

if its over RAM usage, that's pitiful....I have 2 GB, and 17 mb of RAM doesn't worry me....it didn't even worry me when I had 1 GB (until I got BF2....)

 

[tuteja1986]

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[rbV5]

Because it loads the GUI too slowly and requires .NET runtime....simple as that. If it popped up as fast as the legacy CP or even Forceware's control panel, there'd be no compaints. Thats what users are used to, and at best CCC takes at least 2 seconds to Load the GUI, and I've seen it take 20 seconds or more with differnt builds. Throw in .NET and you have your answer.

 

[xtknight]

Basically yeah. It takes long to load, it clogs memory, it's just sluggish in general, the preview is all jerky and buggy for me when I used it w/ 9500 PRO. Not worth it. I'd use ATI Tray Tools if I still had a Radeon card. Everything's in one place and easy...it's just all in one menu. I don't really care about its negligible memory imprint so much as how slow it is to do anything with. Maybe it was because .NET 2.0 was not yet released when I had tried it with my Radeon PC.

Freezes with ATI Tray Tools? That's odd. AFAIK all it does is change the registry. Are you sure it's ATT?? My Radeon system was as rock solid as it always was with ATT. Look at your minidump and see what driver caused it. But complete freezes or blue screens/restarts?

 

[sodcha0s]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
if its over RAM usage, that's pitiful....I have 2 GB, and 17 mb of RAM doesn't worry me....it didn't even worry me when I had 1 GB (until I got BF2....)

Someone is "claiming" that it actually increases system mem usage to like 300MB or something crazy. If that were true I'd think a lot of people would have problems running a lot of games. And while 17MB is kind of a lot, on a 2gig system that's less than 1% of system memory. So yeah worrying about mem usage is kind of silly.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: rbV5
Because it loads the GUI too slowly and requires .NET runtime....simple as that. If it popped up as fast as the legacy CP or even Forceware's control panel, there'd be no compaints. Thats what users are used to, and at best CCC takes at least 2 seconds to Load the GUI, and I've seen it take 20 seconds or more with differnt builds. Throw in .NET and you have your answer.

But it's not like it's something you have to deal with very often. Still not getting the hate. 2 seconds or even 20 seconds of waiting for a program I use once every 3 weeks is no biggie. Maybe my priorities are skewed?

:laugh:

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: rbV5
Because it loads the GUI too slowly and requires .NET runtime....simple as that. If it popped up as fast as the legacy CP or even Forceware's control panel, there'd be no compaints. Thats what users are used to, and at best CCC takes at least 2 seconds to Load the GUI, and I've seen it take 20 seconds or more with differnt builds. Throw in .NET and you have your answer.

But it's not like it's something you have to deal with very often. Still not getting the hate. 2 seconds or even 20 seconds of waiting for a program I use once every 3 weeks is no biggie. Maybe my priorities are skewed?

:laugh:

It is why it's hated though. Hopefully users don't have to spend alot of time configuring their drivers, but splash scenes and skinned GUI's that load slowly tend to remind users of Creative Labs type of unnecissary bloat for something they've long been used to snap right up and be simple.

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
because people want to buy 2GB of ram and then cry if a software\driver uses 17MB of memory

People cry over anything these days "IE" "Microsoft" ".net" "java" ...

i have seen videos where people ENTHUSIASTICALLY state that CCC "needs only under 10 seconds to load"...they showed a video where they right-click and it takes about 8 secs 'til the panel comes up.

I had a very good laugh - if you think about that the main function is basically only setting/changing driver values in the registry

 

[flexy]

and its absolutely worthless for someone who knows what "4xAA, 6xAA, Aniso" etc. is...believe me when you own 3d gfx-cards for years and years already you do NOT need a preview which shows you the effect of "4xAA" all the time <--- its a waste of resources, with emphasis on "waste"...i could live with 17MB use and slow loading times if it would do something meaningful....but it doesnt (for me).

 

[DeathReborn]

The old sayin comes into effect here: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Control Panel worked just fine and then ATI decided to make the CCC which to start with was bloated, slow & not as useful. Some of that has been fixed but in general people would rather use the better made software like the control panel.

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
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[nRollo]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
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And yet some people still do, funny how that works.....

OT- I don't see why anyone cares about the CCC either.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: flexy
and its absolutely worthless for someone who knows what "4xAA, 6xAA, Aniso" etc. is...believe me when you own 3d gfx-cards for years and years already you do NOT need a preview which shows you the effect of "4xAA" all the time <--- its a waste of resources, with emphasis on "waste"...i could live with 17MB use and slow loading times if it would do something meaningful....but it doesnt (for me).

The 3D preview can be shut-off you know.

 

[nitromullet]

I think most people dislike it because it requires more from the enduser and their computer, while offering no tangible increase in user experience over the previous control panel. Couple that with the fact that many new features on their cards aren't accessible via the legacy control panel, and people begin to feel like they're being forced to use something that really shouldn't be necessary. On top of that, it's just a bit sluggish for an app that only adjusts settings.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
I think most people dislike it because it requires more from the enduser and their computer, while offering no tangible increase in user experience over the previous control panel. Couple that with the fact that many new features on their cards aren't accessible via the legacy control panel, and people begin to feel like they're being forced to use something that really shouldn't be necessary. On top of that, it's just a bit sluggish for an app that only adjusts settings.

That's exactly what I was trying to say. I don't hate ATI CCC, I just think the ATI CP was fine but I can not use it anymore.

 

[tuteja1986]

yeah :! they could have like made it hard for noobs to gain CP access if they were worried about them getting confused and only supplied CCC with retail box.

They could have put a huge disclaimer for CP to scare all the noobs away and people could download

Ahh I am not making any sense am I ?

 

[Bull Dog]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
I've never had any issues with the CCC that comes with the full ATI driver package.

But I have experienced issues running "ATI Tray Tools" instead of using the CCC as advised by some. It has caused more than a couple freezes that can only be attributed to ATI Tray Tools. I like some of it's features but I can not deal with software that hangs my otherwise smooth-running and stable system.

Comments?

*speeling eddit*

Its a little slow loading, and reportedly it was a massive memory hog. I've never seen it take up much memory and with 2GB I really wouldn't care if it did.

 

[n7]

I don't know.


Sure, CCC has a crappy loading time...takes a few seconds, sometimes a few more.

But OMG it's not overly horrible. And RAM usage, rofl...

People just like to bitch about something.

 

[evolucion8]

When I was forced to switch from the old control panel to the CCC, I was quite surprised and dissappointed. Though the CCC may be sluggish and slow, it gave me more options not found in the old CP, like the Video 3:2 pulldown, High Quality AF, Adaptive FSAA, Geometry Instancing etc. I guess that is better sacrifice 17MB of RAM and 10 seconds of your life to get more options from your hardware, than using the old fashioned CP. I also had some issues with the ATi Tray Tool, random freeze ups etc. I guess that I have to stay with the CCC until we find an update to the ATi Tray Tool, it is marginally better than CCC on features, but way more faster. And the best thing of it, overclockability, useless for me since this card doesn't overclock well, in default it runs at 75C @ full load, particularly happens with OpenGL apps, with DX runs a bit cooler, about 69 til 73, strange huh?

 

[Powermoloch]

I'm fine w/ my CCC.....honestly it does. ^_^

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: sodcha0s

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
if its over RAM usage, that's pitiful....I have 2 GB, and 17 mb of RAM doesn't worry me....it didn't even worry me when I had 1 GB (until I got BF2....)

Someone is "claiming" that it actually increases system mem usage to like 300MB or something crazy. If that were true I'd think a lot of people would have problems running a lot of games. And while 17MB is kind of a lot, on a 2gig system that's less than 1% of system memory. So yeah worrying about mem usage is kind of silly.

It lies and hides. - I installed CCC and .net and ram use went from 63 MB to almost 400MB on w2k. 17 megs my *&&.

I challanged people to post thier performance tab in task manager to verify and they refused. I don't care what the processes tab says - it's always way off from actual ram use if you add the numbers.

This issue and .net is the only thing stopping me from buying a 1900 AIW and clocking it sky high right now. Hating bloat is the same reason I still use 2k - would use 98 if games played on it.

 

[aggressor]

I stopped caring, I guess. nVidias responds better and takes up less memory, but it's just a control panel. It *would* be nice if it completely closed itself when it's not open and just read the registry keys for settings, but eh, I'll live. There's always ATI Tray Tools, though I wish it had a more standard tabbed interface instead of one giant menu.