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ATI also has shimmering

ATI has had filtering issues since the rv350 and in all there newer chips sense then. This isn't news to anyone with even the slightest respect for image quality, but I suppose that if you are just interested in playing idiot fanboy wars then you found just yourself some more ammo. :disgust:
 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
ATI has had filtering issues since the rv350 and in all there newer chips sense then. This isn't news to anyone with even the slightest respect for image quality, but I suppose that if you are just interested in playing idiot fanboy wars then you found just yourself some more ammo. :disgust:
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Looks to me like he was just pointing out the irony. Which there is.

 
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
ATI has had filtering issues since the rv350 and in all there newer chips sense then. This isn't news to anyone with even the slightest respect for image quality, but I suppose that if you are just interested in playing idiot fanboy wars then you found just yourself some more ammo. :disgust:
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Looks to me like he was just pointing out the irony. Which there is.
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Exactly...

TheSnowmans response however, was immature at best.
 
I think the real irony is that a bunch of people on a video hardware forum are so busy defending their favorite manufacture and pointing fingers the competition to actually be concerned about the fact that both companies have been lowering their image quality to get higher benchmarks for years.
 
Originally posted by: Wreckage
TheSnowmans response however, was immature at best.
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And I suppose that you think that passing off legitimate complaints about image quality as nothing but bashing off your favorite GPU maker is some pinnacle of maturity.
 
However, at that time we were not 100% sure that we were seeing shimmering, as the uncompressed videos that we had recorded with FRAPS were not showing what we were seeing in-game to quite the same extent.
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Sounds real scienctific. They went through game with a maginifying glass looking for something to point to. They even have a pic point to one small area in the corner. Maybe they should get some image processing tools and show some diffs or something.
 
Originally posted by: munky
So does this happen at default quality or at high quality also?
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Yes, there is shimmering even with full trilinar af forced though ATT and even with older drivers. I can't speak in reguards to the 5.8s as I have been using my Geforce in this rig for a while and haven't got a chance to check out the new ATI drivers, but it seems that they have once again chose to take a step down on the filtering quality provided by their drivers. The shimmering issue on didn't turn up on my Radeon nearly as much as my Geforce in the past, but it will be interesting to see if this is still the case with the new drivers.
 
As I've said about the nVidia shimmering, it doesn't matter unless its obvious. Like obscure dead pixles on an LCD (not in the center) you don't notice or care about them unless you specifically look for them and keep looking for it. If it improves the performance, then that's all the better as long as overall image quality is good.

People tend to make far too big a fuss about optimizations. Although, who knows, maybe I'm too concerned about playing the game rather than looking at it like it seems frighteningly apparent many here and elsewhere do not do. Play the game to enjoy the graphics? IMHO the graphics can only help the game, not make or break it.
 
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
People tend to make far too big a fuss about optimizations.
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I don't think it is too big of a fuss at all to complain about the fact that I can get better looking anisotropy from a 9800 than anything ATI has released sense then, or better anisotropy on a Geforce4 than anything Nvidia has released sense then. Do you really think it is making to big of a fuss to expect GPU makers' newer and supposably better cards to at least maintain the image quality standards of the ones they sold us back in the day?
 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
I think the real irony is that a bunch of people on a video hardware forum are so busy defending their favorite manufacture and pointing fingers the competition to actually be concerned about the fact that both companies have been lowering their image quality to get higher benchmarks for years.
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So this is not a legitimate news item? That should not be discussed in this forum? I agree that this is an issue with both manufactures and should be discussed in general (not one sided). However when it was brought up regarding the 7xxx series there were a lot of one sided comments that this thread may be able to bring balance to.

Not sure why this would upset you, but feel free to go through the other "shimmering" threads and post your dissatisfaction.
 
I know for me in CSS w/ cat 5.8's. The floor in Office, has HORRIBLE banding/flickering issues with settings at high quality with 8x AF on...
I never saw this with the 5.7's and earlier.
 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
People tend to make far too big a fuss about optimizations.
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I don't think it is too big of a fuss at all to complain about the fact that I can get better looking anisotropy from a 9800 than anything ATI has released sense then, or better anisotropy on a Geforce4 than anything Nvidia has released sense then. Do you really think it is making to big of a fuss to expect GPU makers' newer and supposably better cards to at least maintain the image quality standards of the ones they sold us back in the day?
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Snowman, your repsonse is quite rude and antagonistic in this thread. I do not believe that image quality is on the downfall, if anything, it is the same, or better. Again, these eyes see no problems with current games. Maybe we stop caring, because games like HL2 and Far Cry already look incredable. Maybe we would rather have lower texture filtering with new games as opposed to great filtering on a game with a few polygons. In the end, it is the result that matters, not the type of filtering. Games look better today than the have ever and that will continue to be the case year after year after year. You can complain about filtering, you can do whatever you want. I will be enjoying games while several of you debate image quality. Point is, I am happy, you are not 😛

I actually see a much more mature crown from nVidia supporters than I do from ATI. ATI fanboi's so to speak are rather rude, immature and speak before they have the facts. This is not all of them, but the forum sure is full of so much crap from the ATI crowd. I do not see the nVidia crowd striving to find something to complain about.

It is just like the X-Box, people would say "So what if it is fast, the thing is BIG, I would never want something THAT big!" As if any home did not have space for a VCR Sized console? Give me a break, this isn't a desk we were talking about, yet PS2 or GC fans would find anything to discredit the X-Box. It was childish, at best.
 
This actually isn't news, I've been complaining about it since I got my ATI card since early july. I'm actually surprised no one caught on when it was released.

So does this happen at default quality or at high quality also?
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How bout, you can't turn it off.
 
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
People tend to make far too big a fuss about optimizations.
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I don't think it is too big of a fuss at all to complain about the fact that I can get better looking anisotropy from a 9800 than anything ATI has released sense then, or better anisotropy on a Geforce4 than anything Nvidia has released sense then. Do you really think it is making to big of a fuss to expect GPU makers' newer and supposably better cards to at least maintain the image quality standards of the ones they sold us back in the day?
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Snowman, your repsonse is quite rude and antagonistic in this thread.
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So I guess that bunnyfubbles telling me I am making too big of a fuss over the fact that both manfacutres have been compromiseing the quality of their anisotropy isn't rude or antagonistic.


Originally posted by: ArchAngel777I do not believe that image quality is on the downfall, if anything, it is the same, or better. Again, these eyes see no problems with current games.
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AF quality has been on the downfall, that is a fact with plenty of empirical evidence to back it up all over the net. If don't have the eyesight to make out the difference just don't care to enough then all the better for you, but the facts remain none the less.

As for your comment of nVidia fanboys being more mature; fanboys are just as imature no matter what team they root for. Frotuantly we haven't had any ATI fanboys show up here and try to pass this issue off as a bug or bashing like we had all over the past few threads on Geforce flitering issues.
 
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
People tend to make far too big a fuss about optimizations.
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I don't think it is too big of a fuss at all to complain about the fact that I can get better looking anisotropy from a 9800 than anything ATI has released sense then, or better anisotropy on a Geforce4 than anything Nvidia has released sense then. Do you really think it is making to big of a fuss to expect GPU makers' newer and supposably better cards to at least maintain the image quality standards of the ones they sold us back in the day?
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Snowman, your repsonse is quite rude and antagonistic in this thread. I do not believe that image quality is on the downfall, if anything, it is the same, or better. Again, these eyes see no problems with current games. Maybe we stop caring, because games like HL2 and Far Cry already look incredable. Maybe we would rather have lower texture filtering with new games as opposed to great filtering on a game with a few polygons. In the end, it is the result that matters, not the type of filtering. Games look better today than the have ever and that will continue to be the case year after year after year. You can complain about filtering, you can do whatever you want. I will be enjoying games while several of you debate image quality. Point is, I am happy, you are not 😛

I actually see a much more mature crown from nVidia supporters than I do from ATI. ATI fanboi's so to speak are rather rude, immature and speak before they have the facts. This is not all of them, but the forum sure is full of so much crap from the ATI crowd. I do not see the nVidia crowd striving to find something to complain about.

It is just like the X-Box, people would say "So what if it is fast, the thing is BIG, I would never want something THAT big!" As if any home did not have space for a VCR Sized console? Give me a break, this isn't a desk we were talking about, yet PS2 or GC fans would find anything to discredit the X-Box. It was childish, at best.
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Then you obviously dont care much about IQ, but I find it ridiculous how both companies are marketing their latest gpu's with so and so many gigaflops and all that BS, and yet the fact remains that the older gf4 and the r300 had better AF quality than any of the newer cards. With all that increased power, you'd think at least they could keep the IQ at the same level, not worse. And while games like HL2 look good even with optimizations, once you notice the visual artifacts, it's gonna bother you until it's fixed (well, for me it will anyways). Like I used to run HL2 no problem until one day I noticed the image tearing and now I need to use vsync everytime I play it.

I have not noticed any shimmering on my x800, but then again I'm using cats 5.7, and now I'm reluctant to "upgrade" to 5.8. As long as the optimizations aren't noticeable during gameplay I dont mind, but when you get crap like texture shimmering and "brilinear filtering" it can ruin the whole visual aspect of the game.
 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: Wreckage
TheSnowmans response however, was immature at best.
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And I suppose that you think that passing off legitimate complaints about image quality as nothing but bashing off your favorite GPU maker is some pinnacle of maturity.
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Snowman, WTF are you doing? And please remove the HUGE bug up your a$$ promptly. It will start to chafe soon.

 
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Nice try NV fans, its not even close to the same thing.
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I guess we can all take that as an admission that it is in fact present on ATI cards. Thanks Ackmed.

Ok, now lets talk about what ATI is doing to address this situation. Anybody know?
 
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