Right. So basically you're saying the GTS250 is this card right here... only here it's called a 9800GTX+.
The 9800GTX+ and GTS250 have the same specs. The 9800GTX+ is already available on a shorter PCB, the same as the GTS250. There are 9800GTX+ cards that use a single 6 pin connector, same as the GTS250. You can get both the GTS250 and 9800GTX+ in the same memory configurations.
The 4870 has a different cooler, different power useage characteristics and requires two 6 pin connector compared to one for the 4850, different performance characteristics due to different specs on the GPU and memory. It also has a different cooler.
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You don't have to fight me on this, I'm not the one that said that GTS 250 is a rebadge of the 9800GTX+. I think it's more of a "face lift" of that card, with some obvious differences.
But to say that 4870 is the same as 4850 is wrong. They share the same length of the PCB, but otherwise they're totally different, in performance and everything.
Yea, it's a huge stretch to say the GTS250 is a rebadge of a 9800GTX+. I linked it again since you ignored it above.
Actually, there's talk about a GTS250 512mb that is in fact a rebadge of a 9800gtx+ 512mb. The reference 9800gtx+, with 512mb vram, and it's regular pcb-length can be called gts250, as long as it can hit 2200mhz.
This card for example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130416
If EVGA slaps a gts250 sticker on it, and puts it in a new box, it's effectively a gts250. The gts250 1gb is a different story though, those will all sport the shorter pcb's.
This card for example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130416
If EVGA slaps a gts250 sticker on it, and puts it in a new box, it's effectively a gts250. The gts250 1gb is a different story though, those will all sport the shorter pcb's.
Besides the 512MB, the 1GB is a rebadge of this 9800GTX+ 1GB. Look at the pictures. Now look at the pictures of the AT GTS250 review. The fan plug, the capacitors you can see, the single 6 pin power connector are all in the same place. Take that card and slap a GTS250 or 9800GTX+ sticker on it. They are the same thing. A rebadge.
For the record I don't care that they rebadged it, at least the naming makes sense now. I'm just trying to point out that it is indeed a rebadge even though some may think it is not. Really, the 9800GTX+/GTS250 is a great card for Nvidia's middle line up, the GTX260/280 are just basically bigger versions of that chip, so it makes sense that the 128SP/112SP cards are the mid range. I doubt there'd be any point on building the midrange in any other way until they get to 40nm. With that being said, the GTS250 IS a rebadge of the 9800GTX+.
And on the topic of this thread, the GTS250/9800GTX+ now has to compete with the 4870 at it's price point. Nvidia has to lower the cost of the card a few bucks the way I see it. Giving a 9800GTX+ a different name (the 9800GTX+ was brought to life by Nvidia to combat the 4850 after all) doesn't make it a competitor to the 4870, yet the prices look to be the same.
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The 4870 has unique features that set it a part from Nvida cards as well, the Nvidia cards in it's class. The better image quality is subjective. From the screenshots I've seen I often thought the AMD rendering looked better. The 4870 uses more power than the 9800GTX+... opps... I mean the GTS250 because it is a more powerful card in a class above the GTS250. You wouldn't expect a GTX280 to use the same power as a Radeon 2400 Pro, right? No, they're not in the same category just as the 4870 is a notch above the GTS250. Yea, the GTS250 has more memory. I'm willing to bet in most games that are at highish resolution the 4870 is still faster than the GTS250. Only in the cases where it runs out of frame buffer could the GTS250 be faster, and even in many of those cases it's too weak of a GPU to use the frame buffer with the exception of a only a few games.
Oh yea, and incase you forgot. The GTS250 IS a rebadge of a 9800GTX+. I'll just link it again since I know you'll never actually admit that you were dead wrong, but I just wouldn't want you to forget.
I would have figured the GTS250 does not compete just fine with the 4870 512. No one in their right mind thought the 9800GTX+ was able to compete with the 4870. Given the 4870's extra features, better image quality, performance that is usually in a completely different league, and is the same price, the GTS250 is nothing more than a joke. The 4870 512 was released to fill in a performance gap between the original GTX260 and the GTX280. Why would anyone buy an old 9800 rebadge card over it?
If I counted right, looking at the AT review, the GTS250 1GB won 2 out of 21 tests. And in games like GRID the GTS250 1GB was not even playable (15.7FPS) at 2560 res, where as the 4870 512 still provided over 40FPS. They are not in the same class, the 4870 is a solid notch above the GTS250. In FC2 where the GTS250 1GB is faster and gets one of it's 'wins' you're looking at 8FPS vs. 5FPS. Again, the GPU isn't powerful enough to take advantage of the extra memory in many games. In other words, the GTS250 is not in the same class as the 4870. The 4870 512MB is going to be the same price point as the GTS250. Nvidia will have to lower the price of that card for it to make sense.
The GTS250 is identical to the 9800GTX+. The 9800GTX+ was created as competition for the 4850. It shouldn't be too hard to grasp... but yet some people can't seem to.
I swear that I have filled out multiple pm's to some these a$$ hats just to delete them because I don't feel like starting a geek war lending myself to ridicule and shame. I sincerely believe that there are some people in here that do major wreckage to the community and should be warned of being banned for constant and persistant trolling. It's one thing to have an opinion on which chipmaker you wanna support but is another to hand out spiked green kool aid and mutter ghoulish spells damning those who choose the red pill. Lastly, I want to apologize for the thread crap but that kind of fanboistic drivel needs to stop.
Yup Ive been keeping myself from posting because mods dont like it but this is just too much, Wreckage was temp banned in the past for trolling and he continues to do so, why no perma ban? Hes no better than Rollo
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