ATi 4870 & 4850 Price cuts

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http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=14433

ATI fights NVIDIA's rebranding with better pricing

DailyTech has learned from industry sources that ATI, the graphics division of AMD, is working with its board partners and several major e-tailers to lower prices on some key products.

The ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB will drop $50 in price, from the $199 segment down to $149. It will compete in this price point primarily against NVIDIA's GTS 250 1GB rebrand using the old G92 chip, variants of which were used in the 8800GT, 9800GT, 9800GTX, 9800GTX+, etc. However, the HD 4870 has been shown to surpass the performance of NVIDIA's GTX 260 line, and value seekers may choose to leave NVIDIA for a better price/performance point.
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Looks like ATi is really tryin to put the pressure on NVIDIA.



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Originally posted by: dguy6789
Sounds great. $150 for a 4870 is pretty awesome.
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Last week you could already find multiple 4870's for $144 AR on Newegg. Can we dare hope to see a $99 4870 AR in the not-too-distant future?

Amazing price/performance bargains these days.
 
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I hope the 1 gig price is in line, I'm assuming these are for the 512mb parts. May have to get another for X-fire if that's the case... like ATI or hate them, they sure do benefit us consumers from the constant price drops which help bring nvidia in line. It would be nice to see a GTX260 for $149 also!
 
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Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: dguy6789
Sounds great. $150 for a 4870 is pretty awesome.
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Last week you could already find multiple 4870's for $144 AR on Newegg. Can we dare hope to see a $99 4870 AR in the not-too-distant future?

Amazing price/performance bargains these days.
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Got one for $128 AR on Saturday.
 
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Boy am I glad I decided to wait it out a little longer after returning my overheating 4870 last week for a refund. Hopefully this means ASPs for the 4870x2 will come down to the $300-$350 range. :)
 
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Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: dguy6789
Sounds great. $150 for a 4870 is pretty awesome.
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Last week you could already find multiple 4870's for $144 AR on Newegg. Can we dare hope to see a $99 4870 AR in the not-too-distant future?

Amazing price/performance bargains these days.
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If 4870's hit sub-$100 I'd almost have to buy a second to play around with x-fire. I know they're 512MB, but they are already pretty incredible performance for the money.

Can't wait to see what 4850's and 4830's sell for. :)
 
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Certainly makes sense for the price drop on the 512MB 4870 as it can't really compete with the GTX 260 or 1GB version anymore. It'll suffer similarly compared to the 1GB GTS 250 in VRAM limited situations but should still be faster overall. I'd certainly say its the part to own in the $150 range or less, but that depends a lot on tomorrow's reviews and pricing.

Right now I don't see what the point of the 4850 is. Its cheaper than the 4870, but significantly slower and typically comes with a worst cooler. Then you have the 4830 and 40nm 4770 that will be slightly slower, but also much cheaper.
 
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Yes, the 4850 doesn't seem like a very interesting buy after the price cuts however it could be that it'll be replaced with the rv740 as the performance is close enough that you can only spot it in benchmarks.
I'd certainly say its the part to own in the $150 range or less, but that depends a lot on tomorrow's reviews and pricing.
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What reviews? i though that it's been established that the gts 250 is only a rebrand, no way that a 9800gtx+ would beat a 4870, no matter how much you rebrand and overclock it. I think it's pretty clear that the price cuts that would come with the gts 250 have been eclipsed by ati's price cuts so lets see what nvidia's reaction will be, price wars ftw
 
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Originally posted by: chizow
Certainly makes sense for the price drop on the 512MB 4870 as it can't really compete with the GTX 260 or 1GB version anymore. It'll suffer similarly compared to the 1GB GTS 250 in VRAM limited situations but should still be faster overall. I'd certainly say its the part to own in the $150 range or less, but that depends a lot on tomorrow's reviews and pricing.

Right now I don't see what the point of the 4850 is. Its cheaper than the 4870, but significantly slower and typically comes with a worst cooler. Then you have the 4830 and 40nm 4770 that will be slightly slower, but also much cheaper.
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A HD4870 512MB will totally destroy a 9800gtx+ 1GB. By the time said 9800gtx+ can use it's extra vram (past 1920*1200) it's going to run out of gpu-power.

The 4830 will most likely go eol as soon as RV740 hits, since the RV740 outperforms the HD4830, and at 40nm with 128bit memorybus should be cheaper to produce. With a HD4850 costing $129, which is only slightly faster then RV740, the RV740 could end up a little over 100, with the HD4830 having to drop below 100$.
 
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Originally posted by: nosfe
Yes, the 4850 doesn't seem like a very interesting buy after the price cuts however it could be that it'll be replaced with the rv740 as the performance is close enough that you can only spot it in benchmarks.
I'd certainly say its the part to own in the $150 range or less, but that depends a lot on tomorrow's reviews and pricing.
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What reviews? i though that it's been established that the gts 250 is only a rebrand, no way that a 9800gtx+ would beat a 4870, no matter how much you rebrand and overclock it. I think it's pretty clear that the price cuts that would come with the gts 250 have been eclipsed by ati's price cuts so lets see what nvidia's reaction will be, price wars ftw
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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
A HD4870 512MB will totally destroy a 9800gtx+ 1GB. By the time said 9800gtx+ can use it's extra vram (past 1920*1200) it's going to run out of gpu-power.

The 4830 will most likely go eol as soon as RV740 hits, since the RV740 outperforms the HD4830, and at 40nm with 128bit memorybus should be cheaper to produce. With a HD4850 costing $129, which is only slightly faster then RV740, the RV740 could end up a little over 100, with the HD4830 having to drop below 100$.
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9800GTX+ 1GB Review (aka GTS 250)

In particular are FC2 and Fallout 3, which are known to heavily stress the importance of VRAM as you increase AA and resolution. I think both of you are vastly overestimating the performance difference between the 4870 and 9800GTX+ when thinking a part equipped with more VRAM wouldn't overtake it in VRAM limited situations.

At $130 the 4850 is going to have a helluva hard time competing against both the 4870 and 9800GTX+ 512MB. Simply doesn't make sense imo, $100 would be more realistic but that puts it awfully close to those 4830 and 4770s.
 
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do note that the fallout 3 test was done with an "HD pack" applied as for the far cry result, linky, what's up with that 8800gtx beating out the 4870? smells fishy

Because I only care what I actually pay for a card.
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exactly, and you don't pay msrp when buying from newegg, that's why its pointless to compare MSRP to newegg prices
 
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Originally posted by: nosfe
do note that the fallout 3 test was done with an "HD pack" applied as for the far cry result, linky, what's up with that 8800gtx beating out the 4870? smells fishy
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Yep they use the HD pack but you'll find VRAM makes a significant difference even without it, just compare any other site using the 512MB 4870 and 1GB 4870, especially with AA. As for how the 8800GTX is competitive? Again, I think people have this unrealistic perception of how fast the 4870 is. If you figure a 4870 is maybe 20-25% faster than a 4850, and the 9800GTX+ is typically faster than the 4850, how is it so hard to believe the 9800GTX+ would surpass the 4870 in VRAM limited situations? Also, what are those FC2 results supposed to show? Anyways, we can nit-pick over that review, or we can just wait until tomorrow and compare to numerous results but I think its pretty obvious ATI dropped prices because they know something you don't (yet).
 
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Originally posted by: nosfe
do note that the fallout 3 test was done with an "HD pack" applied as for the far cry result, linky, what's up with that 8800gtx beating out the 4870? smells fishy

Because I only care what I actually pay for a card.
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exactly, and you don't pay msrp when buying from newegg, that's why its pointless to compare MSRP to newegg prices
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the 8800gtx is beating the 4870 512mb because its running out of vram. the 4870 1gb is performing much better than the 8800gtx. now the 9800gtx 512 being faster than a 4870 512mb does look odd but neather is playable at those settings anyway.
 
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guys, look at the linky, same game, same 8800gtx 768mb but somehow it's a lot better in the pcgames review
 
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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
The 4830 will most likely go eol as soon as RV740 hits, since the RV740 outperforms the HD4830, and at 40nm with 128bit memorybus should be cheaper to produce. With a HD4850 costing $129, which is only slightly faster then RV740, the RV740 could end up a little over 100, with the HD4830 having to drop below 100$.
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4830 was available for $67 AR once. If it gets to $60 or below, I'm in


Will the 4850 be EOL'd also? Does it make sense to have a 256 bit memory card with DDR3 (considering the launch of the RV740)?
 
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