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tphss

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I need a heatsink for overclocking the Athlon64 3500+ I have.
I want it to be not very loud (not more then 30db), NOT TO BE HEAVY 700gMAX (700g I think is too heavy), I will transport this computer sometimes, and I don't want my socket bracket to break.

I thought about the:
-Swiftech MCX6400 with a quiet 80mm fan
-Thermaltake PIPE101 (pipe cooling)
-Thermaltake Silent Tower
-Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu

What do you think I should get?
 
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pirred908

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Get an all aluminum HS to save on weight. The temp difference IMO isn't worth the stress on your mobo and processor. I suggest the XP-90 or XP-120 from Thermalright.
 
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tphss

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You think there is not much difference between copper and aluminum? I don't know I don't like the idea of a aluminum heatsink with me Overclocking...
But, do you know somewhere that they compare copper vs aluminum on the same CPU?

Hmmm, maybe the best thing for me is copper base with aluminum heat spreader head...
 
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tphss

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All Athlon64/K8 Skt754 coolers fit 939?
For now I see Thermalright XP-120 (Aluminum) is light like I want and is compatible with skt939.
Also there is the Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu which is less then 500g /w fan, and the Foxconn Heat Guzzler and the Swiftech MCX64-V that looks like what I want now...
 
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Originally posted by: tphss
All Athlon64/K8 Skt754 coolers fit 939?
For now I see Thermalight XP-120 (Aluminum) is light like I want and is compatible with skt939.
Also there is the Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu which is less then 500g /w fan, and the Foxconn Heat Guzzler and theSwiftech MCX64-V that looks like what I want now...
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The CNPS7000A-ALCU is aluminum and copper and is much lighter.

However, the XP-90 and XP-120 both have copper bases and heatpipes with aluminum fins. Aluminum has slower heat dispersion than copper so it's better for certain applications like radiator fins.
 
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Degrador

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The XP-120 is currently the best air cooler available. Even though it's aluminium. I'd highly recommend it - I have the P4 version and love it. Especially with a 120mm UV LED fan on it :D.
 
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tphss

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Ok I decided to go with the Swiftech MCX64-V, it has a very high quality copper base and I read reviews about it. plus it weighs 440g with the fan!
 
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Originally posted by: tphss
Ok I decided to go with the Swiftech MCX64-V, it has a very high quality copper base and I read reviews about it. plus it weighs 440g with the fan!
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Glad you found our advice so useful.





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tphss

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Hero I would go for the Zalman you offered but only a middle line of the base is copper...
And the XP-120, I don't know about all aluminum...
 
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Originally posted by: tphss
Hero I would go for the Zalman you offered but only a middle line of the base is copper...
And the XP-120, I don't know about all aluminum...
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As I said above, it's not all aluminum...both the base and heatpipes are copper.........the whole thing is just nickel plated for looks...same thing for the XP-90.

The Swiftech is a great heatsink though, so you're fine...frankly, all the heatsinks you were looking at are excellent choices. But if you read any reviews, the XP-120 and XP-90 are unquestionably the best K8 heatsinks in existence which is why we were recommending them. Though, again, we're talking about relatively slim margins here.
 
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Originally posted by: pirred908
If I were you I would personally get the XP-90 and throw a Vantec Tornado on top of it.
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My deaf friend loves those fans... turns off his hearing aid so he doesn't have to go bonkers when he is around his PC. (they are loud and annoying fans but push a lot of air obviously)
 
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Originally posted by: tphss
Hero I would go for the Zalman you offered but only a middle line of the base is copper...
And the XP-120, I don't know about all aluminum...
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Look at Arctic silver's website for directions on applying AS5. As per their instructions you only need to put as5 directly above the center of the core on heat plate CPUs (P4, A64,...). On CPUs w/o the plate the core only touches the middle anyway... So a full copper plate makes no differance as the paste wont be covering the whole metal core area. Even if you wanted to smear the paste all over it still would make no diff since the heat plate isn't totally flat.

If you look at the Benches the comparison between CU-7000A and ALCU-7000A is like 1C at 100% load.

 
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Nickel020

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There is NO performance difference between the Zalman 7000 AlCu and the Cu versions. Just look at a good comparison review.
I would go with either the Zalman, a Thermalright SP-94, SLK-948, an Aerocool HT 101 or the XP-90. The XP-120 will not fit your board. I have not seen a review comparing the XP-90 to any of the others so I can only guess that it's good. The HT 101 is on par with the SP-94 and the SLK-948 is roughly the same as the Zalman (Thermalrights and HT-101 with a Panaflo L1A). If I had to choose among those four I would take the Aerocool and put a L1A on it.
The assumption that aluminium heatsinks are worse than all copper heatsinks is wrong. At the same surface area this generally true (not always, see the Zalman) but if the aluminium heatsink has a very large surface area (Xp-120 and to a lesser degree Xp-90) it will beat all copper heatsinks with a lower surface area.

The Thermaltake heatsink someone linked to is crap, it is outperformed by all of the above.
 
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tphss

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Nickel, How about the Swiftech MCX64-V? you think the Zalman will be better?
The thing is I want to install my own fan (I found a really good airflow-noise ratio fan) on the heatsink.
 
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AnnoyedGrunt

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Good reviews of heatsinks:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/section12.html

In the XP-120 review, they use a Zalman 7000A-AlCu as a reference.
They also have reviews of many other HSF's.

My opinion:
For an all-in-one solution, it is hard to beat the Zalman (the AlCu performs essentially the same as the all copper version, and therefore is a better product due to its lower weight and cost). If you have the money and the space, the XP-120 is the best performer.

-D'oh!
 
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Nickel020

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To be honest, I don't really know the Swiftechs you posted. I only know an older modell, the Swiftech MCX462-V and that one is slightly worse than the Thermalright SLK-948. I just checked Swifttech website and the layout of the MCX64-V is very similar to that one but it is about 190 gr lighter so I guess it cools worse than a Zalman or a SLK-948.
You also shouldn't worry about the weight of the cooler - I have never heard of anyone's cooler falling off. I am using a socket-mount SLK-900A myself and I am carrying my case around quite a bit, and after almost one year it hasn't fallen off yet.
If you are still worried about the weight, get the Zalman. It's light cheap and comes with fan controller and I am pretty sure it has a better performance/noise ratio and will be good enough at 12V for anything but hardcore-overclocking.

UPDATE: I just read a review of the XP-90 - it's as good as a an SP-94. Forget the others, get a XP-90 and be happy ;)
 
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