Athlon DDR System - $850-$1000 bucks

lowcrawler

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I'm contemplating a few different systems/setups. I am building for someone else so will NOT be overclocking.

His only real desire was that the system be quiet and that it cost 1000 bucks +/- 200 bucks. Well, I'm figuring I have 1000 bucks to spend w/o shipping costs. (and my fee... :D ) He plans on getting a Digi-camcorder in the next year, but will get the firewire card, if needed, then. He plans to do some digital editing of those videos. I'm just attempting to build him a good well-rounded system that will last him a good long while.

Case: $45 Enlight Medium ATX Tower Case Model EN-72370X3
CPU: $110 AMD Thunderbird 1.2GHz 266MHz Bus Socket A processor
Motherboard: $119 EPoX EP-8KHA VIA KT266 3DDR UDMA100 6PCI 1AGP Audio ATX
Thermal: $8 Arctic Silver II Thermal Grease
Heat Sink: $32 TAISOL CGK760092
Memory: $60 Crucial 256MB PC2100 DDR-SDRAM, 184-pin DIMM
Video card: $136 Leadtek Winfast DDR GeForce2 Pro GTS 32M AGP Retail Box
DVD: $63 Pioneer 16X DVD Drive IDE Slot Loading Model# 105SZ( OEM )
CD-RW: $93 Lite-On 12x10x32 CD-RW Rewriter, OEM Version w/ software
Hard-Drive: $183 Seagate 60gb eide ultra ata/100 3.5lp [ST360020A] - 'U' series

Total system cost === $849 + shipping.

Now, I'm pretty sure all the above components would work nicely together. Please, can you guys double check for me... I chose the Hard-drive because it only has 2 platters and advertised as very quiet. From my lookings, the hard-drive seems to be a place I can upgrade... I also chose 256 RAM because I figre thats good for now, next summer add another 256 stick, and if needed add the third farther down the line.
Would a Epox 8K7A be a better choice... the 8KHA was recommended to me... but I haven't heard much about it.

Well, the hard-drive may be alittle slow for digital editing (what do you guys think??) So I looked @ a faster hard-drive. The IBM seemed to fit the bill both in cost, semi-quiet, and speed (although I heard no one other than IBM tell me they were relatively quiet)

So, change out the HD for a IBM 60GB 7200RPM 60GXP. Drops the total system price to $833.

Sound good? Sound better than the above?

Anyway... in my meanderings to upgrade the disk for him, I got to thinking about a m/b with onboard RAID.

Perhaps this system would work better. (Note: different m/b and hard-drives)

Case: $45 Enlight Medium ATX Tower Case Model EN-72370X3
CPU: $110 AMD Thunderbird 1.2GHz 266MHz Bus Socket A processor
Motherboard: $181 Gigabyte GA-7DXR
Thermal: $8 Arctic Silver II Thermal Grease
Heat Sink: $32 TAISOL CGK760092
Memory: $60 Crucial 256MB PC2100 DDR-SDRAM, 184-pin DIMM
Video card: $136 Leadtek Winfast DDR GeForce2 Pro GTS 32M AGP Retail Box
DVD: $63 Pioneer 16X DVD Drive IDE Slot Loading Model# 105SZ( OEM )
CD-RW: $93 Lite-On 12x10x32 CD-RW Rewriter, OEM Version w/ software
Hard-Drive: $226 2 X IBM 40GB 7200RPM 60GXP Ultra ATA/100

Total system price --- $954

I would place the drives in a RAID 0 config for speed and capacity. How does this sound? Is two of these drives in a RAID 0 config overkill? (remember, if I deliver the product for cheaper I get slightly more money... but if I don't deliver a good product, I'm either - never going to get to do it again, or going to have to be upgrading it in the future for free(which I don't want to do other than RAM and a PCI card here or there))
Would a Epox 8K7A+ be a better choice???... it would be roughly 20 bucks cheaper.

Anyway, opinions? Ideas? Advice? Any places you know I can get these parts cheaper?
Which of the three (or six, depending on how you count it) systems would you choose???

Thanks in advance...
JOE
 

DietDrThunder

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Go read the thread "Bad News for VIA Chipsets". Then don't purchase the 8KHA. I've got the 8K7A which uses the AMD 761 chipset and it works great. If you want raid go with the 8K7A+.
 

spanner

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Get an epox 8K7A/8K7A+, never go for a cheap mobo, you will only regret it. you could go with a cheaper heatsink esp if he is not overclocking, don't forget some extra case fans. Definately go with an IBM hard drive, I have a 40gb 75GXP and its fast enough, the 60GXP line is even faster, no need for a raid setup for digital recording. And what about a soundcard and speakers? get a live mp3/gamer5.1 or the Santa Cruz and throw in a good set of speakers.
 

lowcrawler

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<< Get an epox 8K7A/8K7A+, never go for a cheap mobo, you will only regret it. >>



But, the price of the Epox boards is actually cheaper.... :D
I assume you mean cheap as in lower-quality... Thats cool, and good to know that the Epox is a higher quality choice - I've been out of the loop for a year or two and I'm just starting to learn again... takes time.



<< you could go with a cheaper heatsink esp if he is not overclocking, don't forget some extra case fans. >>



What heatsink would you recommend?

IIRC, the case comes with one large fan, and room for another(if needed)... if it's not going to be overclocked do I really need another case fan? I was trying to keep the fans to a minimum in order to keep the system somewhat quiet. The fans I used to have to deal with tended to be the big noise makers of the systems.



<< Definately go with an IBM hard drive, I have a 40gb 75GXP and its fast enough, the 60GXP line is even faster >>



How is it for noise?



<< no need for a raid setup for digital recording. >>



Alright.. that saves a few bucks!!! :)
You say recording though.. what about 'editing'... I always thought that needed good Hard-drive speed/throughput.



<< And what about a soundcard and speakers >>



Oops, forgot to mention. He is not a big 'sound/audio' guy and the AC'97 onboard sound will be plenty good for him, if there is no onboard sound I was going to go with a SB live! value. He already has a set of speakers from his current system (P166)

Anyone else??

Thanks!...
JOE
 

greenpoint

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The fastest system for video capturing/editing is a Raid system with 2 HDD.
Has the Epox / Gigabyte mobos onboard Raid?
If yes, I'll go with one of them.
If not, a Promise Raid card is around an extra 120-150 bucks expense.
What's wrong with the MSI K7T266 Pro-R DDR board? (No, no. I haven't one just asking :) )
Onboard Raid is good even if you run it only as IDE3/IDE4, 4 extra HDD (if video edit)
Tell me if I'm wrong? :)

greenpoint
 

NelsonMuntz

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The Epox EP-8K7A+ is a great solution and includes the RAID. The board runs well and with a RAID 0 configuration ir will be great for video editing. It has onboard sound, so if that it all he needs, don't spend more for a sound card. Get the two IBM hard drives and one case fan should be sufficient if not overclocking is intended. Also without overclocking you can go with a retail boxed processor with included hsf and 3 year warranty which I always like to say to people I am building for.
 

greenpoint

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Yes, the Epox 8K7A+ could be a good choice. I'll think about it, 'couse just planing to upgrade my system.
Unfortunatelly, the board has the HighPoint Raid chip. It is also in the AbitKT133 board and lots of issues have been repported with it.
I should prefer the Promise onboard chip, but it's not a must.
About the audio, I'll probably go with VideoLogic Sonic Fury (= Santa Cruz).
Ofcourse the cheaper SB Live is good enough with the AMD 761, regarding the SB-VIA issues.

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lowcrawler

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Did my thread get high-jacked???

Anyway...

So you guys are recommending this....

Case: $45 Enlight Medium ATX Tower Case Model EN-72370X3
CPU: $126 AMD Thunderbird 1.2GHz 266MHz Bus Socket A processor Retail Box Version with HeatSink and Fan
Motherboard: $124 EPOX EP-8K7A Motherboard. AMD-761 + VIA 686B AGPset
Memory: $60 Crucial 256MB PC2100 DDR-SDRAM, 184-pin DIMM
Video card: $136 Leadtek Winfast DDR GeForce2 Pro GTS 32M AGP Retail Box
DVD: $63 Pioneer 16X DVD Drive IDE Slot Loading Model# 105SZ( OEM )
CD-RW: $93 Lite-On 12x10x32 CD-RW Rewriter, OEM Version w/ software
Hard-Drive: $167 IBM 60GXP 60gb Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM

Total system cost === $814 + shipping.

Lookie that... upgrade the speed of the stock system, and it end up saving me nearly a hundred bucks... gotta like deals like that.

JOE

EDIT: correct price for hard drive
EDIT: Updated total cost
 

MisterPants

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I'd reccomend the MSI GF2 Pro over the LeadTek. The LeadTek isn't a real pro (it's memory is 5.5ns and clocked at 166)
 

Piano Man

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Actually there are MSI out there with 5ns, but make sure you find out exactly what the ns rating is becauase there are some out there with 5.5ns.
 

lowcrawler

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<< May I ask where you found the Lite-On for that price?;) Is this the one with burn-proof? >>



newegg.com had it on sale.... but their site seems to be having problems now so I can't verify that rest. (or even if it is still on sale for that matter)

JOE
 

Buz2b

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Just a quick thought about the HSF. The Tai-Sol 760092B (if that is what you are getting), comes with a 60x60x25mm, 30cfm fan that is a bit on the noisy side. I am using it on a Thermalright SK-6. Not as loud as a delta, but I have two case fans, a front bay HDD cooler and a slot fan and it is louder than all those together. Mind you, it works well, but something to consider. Possibly you might want to get a 80mm adaptor and put a larger, slower and quieter fan on the HS.:cool:
 

parikh26

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May I ask where you found the ga7dxr for $181? I want to buy that or the KG7 (whenever the hell it's coming out...). Any recomendations for vendors? Newegg doesn't seem to have the giga

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lowcrawler

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<< May I ask where you found the ga7dxr for $181? I want to buy that or the KG7 (whenever the hell it's coming out >>



A local shop here was having a 'sale'...

IIRC, the KG7 is coming out mid July


JOE