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Down $50. $50 more and we're set.
Down $50. $50 more and we're set.
Zap
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I usually don't worry too much about a system being too "future proof." Two years down the line if I want to upgrade my CPU I wouldn't want to be running it in a 2 year old motherboard. By then, what, SATA II, 1394B and who knows what else will be standard on boards. Unless you upgrade your CPU every ½-1 year, just buy a new board with the CPU and enjoy a real upgrade. If you were that concerned with saving money that "future proof" has to be guaranteed, then you wouldn't be spending the extra money to begin with. Either go cheap now and buy socket 754 or if you go high end, no sense in not getting a new motherboard when CPU upgrade fever hits again.
Zap: In two years, yes, there will be new standards out like you said. But, we're talking about whithin this next year, a brand new motherboard now will not become obsolete at all. The only new wave of computer technology will come from the CPU. Again, you're not only saving money with the mobo but you get a faster system without a complete system make-over. Let's face it. A system like:
A64 35-3800+
1-2 GB Ram
X800 or GT series
939 MOBO
Will play games at top FPS for a while, more than a year. People won't even need to upgrade come 1/1/2 - 2 year mark because by then 64-bit apps will be out and make your processor perform at the top.
A64 35-3800+
1-2 GB Ram
X800 or GT series
939 MOBO
Will play games at top FPS for a while, more than a year. People won't even need to upgrade come 1/1/2 - 2 year mark because by then 64-bit apps will be out and make your processor perform at the top.
Well, first let me address my previous LGA775 comment.
I realize that the prices for P4 chips are slightly more than 754 (about $25 or so for equivalent speed/rating). I also realize that A64's are marginally faster in some benchmarks than their equivalent P4. However, the price difference and the performance difference is relatively small overall (IMO), and you get the opportunity to use the new tech as it arrives, which means you should be good to go with the same MoBo for a few years. Now, I haven't heard anything about the LGA boards/chips being unstable, but if that is indeed the case, then you'd certainly have to consider that aspect when weighing your options.
When you start comparing the LGA775 to the 3500+ (@ the current $450 price for the 3500), then the LGA doesn't look expensive @ all. This is especially true when you realize you can get something like a 3.0 GHz LGA chip for $205. This makes it very easy to enter into the 775 socket without spending much money, and gives you very good performance and a very good upgrade path (aside from the 1066 FSB issue, which I think is the chipset I would wait for....maybe). Anyhow, my overall point is that Intel has given the consumer the ability to jump to their latst MoBo and associated technology, at approximately the same price/performance ratio as their previous generation. AMD has not accomplished this, and their newest socket is far more expensive than a similar performing example of their older tech. I feel that this is something AMD needs to address soon. First, by lowering the price of the 3500+ to $300-320, and second by adding some lower end 939 chip(s) soon; perhaps something in the $200 range (maybe a 3100+) that would make the entry into 939 very easy.
Now, as far as upgrading goes, I agree that it is difficult since things seem to change so quickly. When I bought my AXP 1800+, I had hoped to be able to upgrade the CPU only after a couple years, but due to numerous changes that is not possible (at least with my Mobo). So, what I would do now is buy a chip @ the low end of a platform, with the hopes of upgrading to a higher end chip sometime in the future. On 754 that would be maybe 3000+ now, with a 3700+ in the future (not much of a change IMO). On 939 that would be 3500+ now, with maybe an FX 57 in the future (I think this would be a bigger change).
Anyway, I'm still holding out till december (when my current computer hits 3 years old) and we'll see how things look then.
-D'oh!
I realize that the prices for P4 chips are slightly more than 754 (about $25 or so for equivalent speed/rating). I also realize that A64's are marginally faster in some benchmarks than their equivalent P4. However, the price difference and the performance difference is relatively small overall (IMO), and you get the opportunity to use the new tech as it arrives, which means you should be good to go with the same MoBo for a few years. Now, I haven't heard anything about the LGA boards/chips being unstable, but if that is indeed the case, then you'd certainly have to consider that aspect when weighing your options.
When you start comparing the LGA775 to the 3500+ (@ the current $450 price for the 3500), then the LGA doesn't look expensive @ all. This is especially true when you realize you can get something like a 3.0 GHz LGA chip for $205. This makes it very easy to enter into the 775 socket without spending much money, and gives you very good performance and a very good upgrade path (aside from the 1066 FSB issue, which I think is the chipset I would wait for....maybe). Anyhow, my overall point is that Intel has given the consumer the ability to jump to their latst MoBo and associated technology, at approximately the same price/performance ratio as their previous generation. AMD has not accomplished this, and their newest socket is far more expensive than a similar performing example of their older tech. I feel that this is something AMD needs to address soon. First, by lowering the price of the 3500+ to $300-320, and second by adding some lower end 939 chip(s) soon; perhaps something in the $200 range (maybe a 3100+) that would make the entry into 939 very easy.
Now, as far as upgrading goes, I agree that it is difficult since things seem to change so quickly. When I bought my AXP 1800+, I had hoped to be able to upgrade the CPU only after a couple years, but due to numerous changes that is not possible (at least with my Mobo). So, what I would do now is buy a chip @ the low end of a platform, with the hopes of upgrading to a higher end chip sometime in the future. On 754 that would be maybe 3000+ now, with a 3700+ in the future (not much of a change IMO). On 939 that would be 3500+ now, with maybe an FX 57 in the future (I think this would be a bigger change).
Anyway, I'm still holding out till december (when my current computer hits 3 years old) and we'll see how things look then.
-D'oh!
Are you curious as to why no one is buying the latest Intel products? Could it be that their most expensive motherboard is close to $300? What about recalls of the motherboards? Could it be that the Prescott runs super hott and takes up a lot of voltage, and not giving you a performance edge next to its competitors?
THE BIGGEST WASTE OF MONEY: Is on an Intel prescott or 9xx mobo.
-Peace
THE BIGGEST WASTE OF MONEY: Is on an Intel prescott or 9xx mobo.
-Peace
Ok, you guys are scaring me. I bought a 3500+ OEM from Monarch yesterday (Thursday) for $370. I don't know how/why they were $100 less than NewEgg, but frankly as long as i get my chip, i don't care. I felt confidant that it was actually in stock because it has been out of stock for awhile, so they had to consciously change the status to in-stock. I also added a three year warrantee for $15. So maybe I lost $50 for not waiting two more weeks for the price to come down. The problem is I have been waiting since June to build my new computer, and this summer has been a bitch for getting new components with all these new releases.
The only thing is that the chip should have shipped today (Friday), and yet it did not. If it does not ship on Monday, I'm going to cancel my order. Can someone please respond and comfort me by saying that it will be possible to cancel my order if it hasn't shipped yet?!
The only thing is that the chip should have shipped today (Friday), and yet it did not. If it does not ship on Monday, I'm going to cancel my order. Can someone please respond and comfort me by saying that it will be possible to cancel my order if it hasn't shipped yet?!
No sorry, you probably can't.
But this is the reason I'm holding these discussions. People like you and I, people that want to know for sure.
I vote Anand start doing video reviews.
But this is the reason I'm holding these discussions. People like you and I, people that want to know for sure.
I vote Anand start doing video reviews.
>Quote from Lucient:
"UUronl, what are you saying? "Plethora available but you have to wait a few weeks???" lol, I think you left out part of your thoughts on this"
No, actually I think it would have been more accurate for you to say that I had left out part of -your- thoughts. You have not only misread my post, but have added in your own thoughts as well.
You actually put quotes around a severe misquote of my original post. If you re-read mine, you'll see that I claim there to be a "plethora of vendors" not a "plethora available". I stand by what I said. There are many vendors willing to sell you a 3500+ for very cheap prices as long as you're willing to wait a bit. Any other ideas or value judgements would be yours, and not part of my intended message.
Thanks.
"UUronl, what are you saying? "Plethora available but you have to wait a few weeks???" lol, I think you left out part of your thoughts on this"
No, actually I think it would have been more accurate for you to say that I had left out part of -your- thoughts. You have not only misread my post, but have added in your own thoughts as well.
You actually put quotes around a severe misquote of my original post. If you re-read mine, you'll see that I claim there to be a "plethora of vendors" not a "plethora available". I stand by what I said. There are many vendors willing to sell you a 3500+ for very cheap prices as long as you're willing to wait a bit. Any other ideas or value judgements would be yours, and not part of my intended message.
Thanks.
UUronl, said, "One, there are a plethora of vendors on Pricewatch selling 3500+ 939s for $346. Retail as low as $359. So you might have to wait a few weeks."
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UUronl, said, "You actually put quotes around a severe misquote of my original post. If you re-read mine, you'll see that I claim there to be a "plethora of vendors" not a "plethora available". I stand by what I said."
Luthien, said, "UUronl, what are you saying? ""Plethora available but you have to wait a few weeks???" lol, I think you left out part of your thoughts on this.""
Yes, my quote is wrong but copy and paste yours in and you get this:
Luthien, said, "UUronl, what are you saying? ""Plethora of vendors on Pricewatch selling 3500+ 939s for $346. Retail as low as $359. So you might have to wait a few weeks???" lol, I think you left out part of your thoughts on this.""
Still reads very unclearly as to what your saying but I still KNOW what you meant and was only commenting on the fact that it could have been less obscure. More like there are a plethora of vendors selling them at lower prices if you backorder...
Anyhow, my post wasnt meant to make you angry or anything so take it easy. I don't want to turn this site into tomshardware, lol. Since you maybe a new member, I dont know, you may not know but this site is a whole lot friendlier than tomshardware...
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UUronl, said, "You actually put quotes around a severe misquote of my original post. If you re-read mine, you'll see that I claim there to be a "plethora of vendors" not a "plethora available". I stand by what I said."
Luthien, said, "UUronl, what are you saying? ""Plethora available but you have to wait a few weeks???" lol, I think you left out part of your thoughts on this.""
Yes, my quote is wrong but copy and paste yours in and you get this:
Luthien, said, "UUronl, what are you saying? ""Plethora of vendors on Pricewatch selling 3500+ 939s for $346. Retail as low as $359. So you might have to wait a few weeks???" lol, I think you left out part of your thoughts on this.""
Still reads very unclearly as to what your saying but I still KNOW what you meant and was only commenting on the fact that it could have been less obscure. More like there are a plethora of vendors selling them at lower prices if you backorder...
Anyhow, my post wasnt meant to make you angry or anything so take it easy. I don't want to turn this site into tomshardware, lol. Since you maybe a new member, I dont know, you may not know but this site is a whole lot friendlier than tomshardware...
Back on topic......
How long till the 3500 and 3800 settle down in price? I'm asking no more than $350 for the 3500 and no more than $430 for the 3800.
How long till the 3500 and 3800 settle down in price? I'm asking no more than $350 for the 3500 and no more than $430 for the 3800.
Luthien,
Sorry for any confusion I may have caused you. I didn't have any question marks, let alone three in my statement about having to wait, but it's of no matter. It is often hard to convey inflection in the 2D world that is the printed word. We/the thread had already established that most vendors were/are out of stock - I was simply stating that you might have to wait if you ordered from one of these people.
Sorry if we weren't communicating - I'm not angry and I took no offense. I certainly hope my attempts to clarify haven't been misconstrued as hostility. I too value a friendly forum.
Thanks.
Sorry for any confusion I may have caused you. I didn't have any question marks, let alone three in my statement about having to wait, but it's of no matter. It is often hard to convey inflection in the 2D world that is the printed word. We/the thread had already established that most vendors were/are out of stock - I was simply stating that you might have to wait if you ordered from one of these people.
Sorry if we weren't communicating - I'm not angry and I took no offense. I certainly hope my attempts to clarify haven't been misconstrued as hostility. I too value a friendly forum.
Thanks.
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