Athlon 1.4

[McMullet]

OK, going to upgrade.
Looking seriously at the Athlon 1.4ghz.
How does it stack up against the 1.4 P4?
Also I heard it runs extremely HOT... can anyone shed some light on whether the Athlon is worth the money or not?

 

[MallowJr]

Wait for palamino to drop in price and increase in clock speed.

 

[Sugadaddy]

<< How does it stack up against the 1.4 P4? >>



It's about equal to a 1.8ghz P4, so there's no competition at the same clock speed...

 

[steelthorn]

Sugadaddy where do you get your information from? Clock for clock the p4 beats the athlon at multimedia soundly! Then only thing the athlon beats the p4 at is office appz. And the athlon 1.4 doesn't even come close to the p4 1.8. Sheez.

 

[MallowJr]

.....
every benchmark i've read shows p4 1.7 slower than amd 1.4, and gives some OFFICE APPS to intel. Amd is a giant in games, only quake3 is given to intel. I doubt much has changed in P4 1.8..dad is getting one soon though so I can check.

 

[McMullet]

Is it true as soon as the software developers utilize the p4's SSE2 that the P4's performance will take off?
Also I can't find any kind of shipping date for the Palamino.
I would wait for the die shrink of the P4, but we're talking big bucks, DAMN RAMBUS!

 

[MallowJr]

Palamino is already out (1.0/1.2). I suspect higher versions will be out by year's end (mind you that's only 3-4 months). Faster processor clock to clock comparedto Tbird and runs COOLER which is a major plus, YES Tbird 1.4 is fuxin hot no matter what people say if you aren't lucky AND using a super HSF you'll get 45-50C IDLE and 55-60C loaded!

 

[Duvie]

steelthorn, Watch before you throw stones cause you information is horribly wrong...Maybe you don't read much I don't know. You must not or you had forgotten about every review that showed the 1.33 hanging with the p4 1.7 and tyhe 1.4 beating it.

< Clock for clock the p4 beats the athlon at multimedia soundly! >

you truly know very little...Even p4 owners no clock for clock the athlon beats the p4 in about everythin not just business apps.

What about games? athlon leads in many games...the P4 is a poor fpu performer and that cathces up in many areas.

If for some reason you want us to verify this I am sure I and many others can pull a dozen links proving this. I don't need to call you any names as your post will pretty much speak for itself. Anyways it was LOL!!!!!

 

[MallowJr]

now now duvie, it's ok for him to justify owning his P3 through us =)

 

[McMullet]

Thanks, yah 60deg C? wowie! ouchie,
How do I identify the Palmino core?
I know all about the B and C cores, but I haven't seen or heard of anyone owning a palimino. I though they were only out for mobile users.

 

[Duvie]

As for the author of this threads questions...

1) a p4 1.4 does not stack up against the athlon 1.4...may win a very small percentage of extremely optimized programs.

2) while the tbird 1.4 can get hot...many buy aftermarket fan and get some good case cooling and you should be just fine. I think the numbers the above thead gave are people using retail hsf or lower quality and lack decent case cooling. Most don't seem to get that concept and biatch about heat.

3)article recently released about 2 weeks ago looked at the sse2 optimization and concluded it will not give the great jump in performance many have said or hoped for. So don't count on it. The article tested it out and stated that this alone will not make clock for clock comparisons a reality and will only closen the 300mhz gap that exist today between the two architectures..The key benefit will be towards programs that our more memory bandwidth intensive, but ddr is emerging and standards for quad pump ram are being worked out.

4) the palomino is out as the server chip only code named &quot;mp&quot;. It does seem to run cooler and with the right board uses sse optimization as well has hardware prefetching which is starting to show some good performance increases against same mhz tbird cores. It als has thermal protection such as p4 to avoid burning up chip if cooling fails.

You seem to understand the premium factor associated with intel and rambus and that there alone may help decide it for you.

 

[MallowJr]

It's pretty obvious Duvie doesn't have a Tbird 1.4..now now again Duvie, don't base fact on opinion. So..a guy who doesn't want to OC hasto buy a separate HSF from the retail recommendation from AMD just so he can run his PC &quot;COLD&quot; so his room doesn't heat up? Sounds like BS to me. A retail boxed CPU HS/FAN is recommended by AMD, and you will get marks up to 60C on load. Expect 45-50C idle. You can go ahead and get 4-5 case fans and a new HSF though if you want to run it colder so your room isn't a desert or you want to O/C it. Try runningit with no case and with case...if you're &quot;LUCKY&quot; you'll get 39-40C idle for a tbird 1.4. These people who post this are lucky, and take into account their mad cooling for it..you should NOT have to do all this crap if you're not looking to O/C just looking for a normal temp. room!

 

[MallowJr]

and it's not a server chip only, MP is used on dual AMD mobos but it can be used as a single chip processor...just as xeon is a &quot;server&quot; chip but you can run it as a single processor. difference here is palamino is a tad better as single chip than TBIRD and xeon isn't to p4.

 

[Sugadaddy]

<< Sugadaddy where do you get your information from? Clock for clock the p4 beats the athlon at multimedia soundly! Then only thing the athlon beats the p4 at is office appz. And the athlon 1.4 doesn't even come close to the p4 1.8. Sheez. >>



Just looking at the P4 1.8 review from the site we're currently on:

P4 1.8 wins 8 tests(it gets beat in one of them by the 1.2ghz Palomino), while Athlon (Tbird) 1.4 wins 5 tests. OK, maybe the P4 has a slight advantage, but IMO that's pretty much equal. The P4 has a hard time beating the Athlon with a 400mhz advantage, so no, it doesn't beat it soundly in multimedia clock for clock. Where do you get your info from? Intel.com?

 

[McMullet]

Well the athlon 1.4 that I worked on was weird.
HAd an orb dual fan HS and the case was open, running at 57C idle in BIOS, pretty rough.
Put a big Cooler Master on thgere and it went down to 53C
Put the case on it and it went down to 50C. So it seems it really needs air circulation.
As for paying an extra 30$ to get a decent fan to protect my 300$ investment (canadian) I think it is well worth it. Now what motherboard should I plunk that down into.

 

[ragiepew]

/me thinks steelthorn isn't coming back

 

[Duvie]

MallowJr, while you are correct in saying I don't own one, that doesn't mean what I am stating isn't fact. If I see a few state their temps then what I am stating is fact. It may be based upon the truth of others. And all of these if I remember correctly were aircooled...not water cooled, liquid nitrogen...I think they were using swiftechs.

I saw a few post with temps like yours stated (non oc) and they were with the retail hsf. MOst after further discussion often lacked enough case cooling.

I think the 45-50 idle is great for that chip...I think 60 full load swinging from 45 may show signs of some case cooling. Not necessarily, but a 15c swing is pretty sizeable.

I have a tbird 1.1 (oc'd) to 1.2 at core voltage reported 1.79 by mobo and I see temps of 38c idle and 45c load. I bumped it up to 1.23ghz and the temp stayed the same at idle. This is with a 9.00 dollar HSF (60mm fan @5400 rpm) I got at tcwo.com to get the 1 year warranty on the oem chip. I also have 3 case fans...all low noise and at 8.00 bucks a piece clearly not overkill.


Mcmullet, I recommend the epox 8K7A ddr platform, and look up the swiftech in some reviews.

 

[NesuD]

retail athon 1.4's using the stock heatsink and fan in case that follows amd's case specs which call for a front intake fan and a rear aux exhaust fan run perfectly fine. While the temps may be higher than we are accustomed to the thing to keep in mind is that the Athlon was designed from the beginning to tolerate higher operating temps (the reason for copper interconnects) and remain reliable.