Atheists face death in 13 Muslim countries

[Moonbeam]

I am telling him he has no right to infringe the rights of a sovereign nation.

If 13 Muslim majority nations put atheist to death, those atheist need to leave or be put to death.

We hold these truths to be self evident...... You don't see them that way. You don't deserve to be American and you should leave.

 

[mammador]

meh, subjective morality.

Why are our views any better than the Muslims'?

 

[Texashiker]

We hold these truths to be self evident...... You don't see them that way. You don't deserve to be American and you should leave.

You seem to think our laws, morals and values apply to other nations.

 

[spittledip]

meh, subjective morality.

Why are our views any better than the Muslims'?

You seem to think our laws, morals and values apply to other nations.

We hold these truths to be self evident...... You don't see them that way. You don't deserve to be American and you should leave.

Moonbeam, TH has a point, although it was previously stated crudely. If the current form of morality is determined by a consensus of what is "best" for people (and then what is "best" is also determined by consensus, and on and on), morality is only pushed through power and manipulation. It is the immorality of subjective morality.

I am not saying that they are right to execute anyone, I am just saying that he has a point according to the views of many on here (who believe in subjective morality). Unless we want to force our subjective morality onto them as well. Which is unethical and immoral. It is a big circle.

Edit: of course, he could also be wrong according the subjective moralists b/c some might have created a belief that it is moral to force other cultures to do according to what we believe.

 

[Moonbeam]

Moonbeam, TH has a point, although it was previously stated crudely. If the current form of morality is determined by a consensus of what is "best" for people (and then what is "best" is also determined by consensus, and on and on), morality is only pushed through power and manipulation. It is the immorality of subjective morality.

I am not saying that they are right to execute anyone, I am just saying that he has a point according to the views of many on here (who believe in subjective morality). Unless we want to force our subjective morality onto them as well. Which is unethical and immoral. It is a big circle.

Edit: of course, he could also be wrong according the subjective moralists b/c some might have created a belief that it is moral to force other cultures to do according to what we believe.

I do not believe in force. I do believe in moral absolutes. I don't believe that moral absolutes are for paper and law. I believe that the lover can act only with love. Killing people who do not believe in God is not love. I would be forced to kill somebody who was trying to kill somebody for that reason if killing them was possible and the only way it could be stopped. This is what happens if you try to kill somebody around somebody for whom killing is wrong as an absolute. This is because killing somebody who intends to kill when it is the only way to stop them is love at its lowest form. It is the lesser of two evils. You can't sacrifice the lives of others to keep your own hands clean because doing so would make them dirty.

 

[Moonbeam]

You seem to think our laws, morals and values apply to other nations.

Most definitely and when I become dictator, I will make it so. You are welcome. Do I have your vote or would you prefer a world in which in some countries atheists must die because they can't believe?

 

[spittledip]

I do not believe in force. I do believe in moral absolutes. I don't believe that moral absolutes are for paper and law. I believe that the lover can act only with love. Killing people who do not believe in God is not love. I would be forced to kill somebody who was trying to kill somebody for that reason if killing them was possible and the only way it could be stopped. This is what happens if you try to kill somebody around somebody for whom killing is wrong as an absolute. This is because killing somebody who intends to kill when it is the only way to stop them is love at its lowest form. It is the lesser of two evils. You can't sacrifice the lives of others to keep your own hands clean because doing so would make them dirty.

I don't disagree that we should try to influence other nations to adhere to some forms of morality... we don't disagree there. I was just making the case for those who don't hold to moral absolutes which is how I took the 2 posts I quoted.

However, we do bully around other nations for our own profit and power much too much, so we have soiled our credibility with many nations. This is the irony of the US trying to influence other countries to do good.

 

[ThinClient]

People have a right to believe what they want.

If someone believes in GOD, you have no right to criticize that decision.

I have every right to criticize their willful ignorance.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

However, we do bully around other nations for our own profit and power much too much, so we have soiled our credibility with many nations. This is the irony of the US trying to influence other countries to do good.

Pretty much this. Oh well, at least we defeated the USSR.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't disagree that we should try to influence other nations to adhere to some forms of morality... we don't disagree there. I was just making the case for those who don't hold to moral absolutes which is how I took the 2 posts I quoted.

However, we do bully around other nations for our own profit and power much too much, so we have soiled our credibility with many nations. This is the irony of the US trying to influence other countries to do good.

I think so too. I am caught in a world where liberals don't stand for anything and conservatives stand for everything that is wrong..

 

[sandorski]

People have a right to believe what they want.

If someone believes in GOD, you have no right to criticize that decision.

He has every Right to criticize it.

 

[spittledip]

He has every Right to criticize it.

agreed

 

[Texashiker]

I have every right to criticize their willful ignorance.

And they have ever right to make fun of your bigotry.

 

[Moonbeam]

And they have ever right to make fun of your bigotry.

But you're not even at the same table because you don't even understand what a constitutional republic is. Your points fail because of ignorance. The sad part is that you reject being educated by anybody. Nobody knows everything. That's where modesty comes in. A person who is ashamed of his ignorance protects himself from shame and learning. Nobody cared if you don't know something or won't in a few hours. They are all too busy watching their own tear drops fall, or are kind and don't have to make fun of people to make themselves feel better.