Atheists Call 9-11 Memorial Cross "Grossly Offensive"

[ThinClient]

Look in a mirror.

Wrong. I am always looking for evidence. I ask repeatedly for evidence from believers and, as always, none of them can provide a single shred of evidence that isn't some form of anthropomorphic projection or wishful thinking. Delusion, at it's finest.

 

[ThinClient]

And you don't call yourself an aunicornian do you?

Yes, I do.

Why aren't you an avampirian?

I am, but there's nobody on the planet stupid enough to believe that they're real. There's no massive global delusional following that kills abortion doctors that I have to worry about, so it's not much of an issue.

There is actually good evidence that trolls exist. Search for Cerpin Taxt (or whatever his name is) and you'll see it.

Haha, you're a funny guy.

Yet you're an "atheist". Atheism isn't a neutral position like you people are trying to make out to be. However there is always the possibility that you're just not being consistent and you're more of an antitheist in reality.

You don't even know what you believe. You are not an authority on what I believe LOL :awe:

 

[buckshot24]

Definitions, and meanings are important. A speck of dust has a "lack of belief".

You're absolutely correct. That was the point I was making earlier when I was saying rocks are atheists under that definition. I think your definition is better.

 

[buckshot24]

Why? You cherry pick what you believe in the Bible (your god endorsing slavery, subjugation of women as property, genocide, etc) so why can't I accept the discoveries they've contributed that were discovered rationally with skeptical evidence review to confirm but reject their religious idiocy?

In your little world, that's not possible?

Because you just said you will dismiss them! I'm acting as if your words have any meaning, apparently they don't.

 

[buckshot24]

Wrong. I am always looking for evidence. I ask repeatedly for evidence from believers and, as always, none of them can provide a single shred of evidence that isn't some form of anthropomorphic projection or wishful thinking. Delusion, at it's finest.

I think we've been over this. Remember "supernatural evidence"? You never told me what that even was. You won't accept natural evidence.

In any case there isn't "proof" that good exists. But I think there is evidence that suggests God exists. Most everybody on earth believes in some sort of supernatural realm. People are "wired" to believe in it, so they do. If God exists then I think He has done a good enough job in revealing himself.

If you knew that Christianity was true would you be a Christian?

 

[buckshot24]

Yes, I do.

No you don't.

I am, but there's nobody on the planet stupid enough to believe that they're real. There's no massive global delusional following that kills abortion doctors that I have to worry about, so it's not much of an issue.

You don't think anybody believes Vampires are real? Really?

You're an atheist because you are anti-God. You don't simply have a lack of belief.

You don't even know what you believe. You are not an authority on what I believe LOL :awe:

Even if I was I wouldn't appeal to myself, that would be a logical fallacy.

 

[buckshot24]

The only way I could have admitted that atheism is a belief system is if you are injecting your own meaning into the words that I'm typing, which would be supporting my claim that you and your religious ilk are willing to believe anything you want to believe, even if what you want to believe does not exist.

I was talking about rocks being atheists and you said I couldn't know their belief system so the implication is that atheism is a belief system.

 

[xj0hnx]

But I think there is evidence that suggests God exists.

There's nothing to think about if there is evidence. There is no evidence any gods exist, only subjective rationalizations.

Most everybody on earth believes in some sort of supernatural realm. People are "wired" to believe in it, so they do.

People are browbeat and brainwashed into believing in supernatural explanations for things they do not understand by a society that was browbeat and brainwashed into believing them. Most everyone on Earth believed the Earth was flat, that plagues were god being mad at us, and that lightening was Zeus.

 

[buckshot24]

People are browbeat and brainwashed into believing in supernatural explanations for things they do not understand by a society that was browbeat and brainwashed into believing them. Most everyone on Earth believed the Earth was flat, that plagues were god being mad at us, and that lightening was Zeus.

Wow, that "browbeating" is awfully effective, don't ya think?

You should stop saying that most people believed the earth was flat because it really isn't true.

 

[Paul98]

You need to have the ability to believe for the lack of the belief in something to be meaningful.

 

[buckshot24]

You need to have the ability to believe for the lack of the belief in something to be meaningful.

Which is why the definition is BS.

 

[Paul98]

Which is why the definition is BS.

No, it's the reason why talking about a rock and lack of belief in something is meaningless.

 

[xj0hnx]

Wow, that "browbeating" is awfully effective, don't ya think?

Unfortunately, yea, when the majority of children are taught that there is a magical man in the sky, it is awfully effective at continuing to breed ignorance.

You should stop saying that most people believed the earth was flat because it really isn't true.

You're right, the concept of a planet, whether flat or round was so far out of their grasp it is mind boggling. These are of course the people we should still be looking to for guidance, lol.

 

[ThinClient]

Wow, that "browbeating" is awfully effective, don't ya think?

You should stop saying that most people believed the earth was flat because it really isn't true.

Yes, it is true.

So first you claim that god exists, then you claim that not many people believed that the earth was flat. :awe:

I'm dying to see what you're going to claim next LOL

By the way, we're still waiting on all that evidence you claim to have that god is real. Still waiting, bub.

 

[ThinClient]

I was talking about rocks being atheists and you said I couldn't know their belief system so the implication is that atheism is a belief system.

Strawman argument ROFL

 

[ThinClient]

No you don't.
You don't think anybody believes Vampires are real? Really?

You're an atheist because you are anti-God. You don't simply have a lack of belief.
Even if I was I wouldn't appeal to myself, that would be a logical fallacy.

I have explained it to you countless times. I have a lack of belief. I do not believe that he doesn't exist, but I think it's plausible (and most likely) that he doesn't. I don't claim to know or claim to believe that he doesn't but people have been making the god claim to their fellow idiot humans who eat it up without a shred of evidence for thousands of years and in all that time, NO ONE has come up with ANY evidence WHATSOEVER that the god claim is true.

Period.

And, yes I do.

 

[ThinClient]

Because you just said you will dismiss them! I'm acting as if your words have any meaning, apparently they don't.

No I didn't. In fact, I have said repeatedly in this very thread that I wouldn't dismiss any evidence and I wouldn't dismiss any rational conclusion that is based on said evidence. The moment they start making claims and conclusions that are based on zero or shitty evidence is the moment I throw them off the top floor of the Sears tower to better humanity by purifying the gene pool.

Again, you prove repeatedly that you CANNOT READ or are unwilling to accept simple facts when they do not agree with your agenda. Your reaction to my plain-text posts are perfect evidence for such a conclusion.

 

[ThinClient]

I think we've been over this. Remember "supernatural evidence"? You never told me what that even was. You won't accept natural evidence.

In any case there isn't "proof" that good exists. But I think there is evidence that suggests God exists. Most everybody on earth believes in some sort of supernatural realm. People are "wired" to believe in it, so they do. If God exists then I think He has done a good enough job in revealing himself.

If you knew that Christianity was true would you be a Christian?

Why do I have to tell you what supernatural evidence is? Either you have supernatural evidence and you present your case or you don't have supernatural evidence and you continue the thousands-of-years-old tradition of basing conclusions on lies.

I shouldn't have to tell you what supernatural evidence is in order for you to be able to produce it. You either have it or you don't.

If I knew that Christianity was true, I would still reject the religion and gladly to go hell because I refuse to serve a god that is as evil and capricious as the god in the bible.

 

[ThinClient]

No, it's the reason why talking about a rock and lack of belief in something is meaningless.

With all his failed analogies, I'm REALLY surprised that he hasn't brought up Ray Comfort yet. LOLOLOLOL

 

[buckshot24]

Strawman argument ROFL

Again, you show a lack of understanding on what a strawman argument is.

 

[buckshot24]

No, it's the reason why talking about a rock and lack of belief in something is meaningless.

But a rock lacks a belief in God which is the definition of atheism. It perfectly fits the definition. I like John's better. Why don't you take him to task for his?

 

[soulcougher73]

There is no reason to think rocks have any thoughts so until there is evidence that they think I can assume that they don't. Therefore they don't believe in God.

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Again with the irony. LOL. Do you seriously not see how this ties into what you are arguing against?

 

[buckshot24]

Yes, it is true.

So first you claim that god exists, then you claim that not many people believed that the earth was flat. :awe:

Yes, flat earthism wasn't a widely held belief in no part of the Christian age. But where is your evidence that it was? Washington Erving basically invented it in the early 1800's

 

[buckshot24]

Why do I have to tell you what supernatural evidence is?

Because I don't know what it is. You brought it up so I thought I'd go to the source, what is it?

Either you have supernatural evidence

WHAT IS IT?

I shouldn't have to tell you what supernatural evidence is in order for you to be able to produce it. You either have it or you don't.

How would I know if I have it if I don't know what it is? You brought the concept up so instead of playing games why don't you just tell me what it is?

If I knew that Christianity was true, I would still reject the religion and gladly to go hell because I refuse to serve a god that is as evil and capricious as the god in the bible.

Exactly as I thought. Not much point in asking for evidence is there?

 

[buckshot24]

I have explained it to you countless times. I have a lack of belief.

A rock doesn't have belief either.

I do not believe that he doesn't exist, but I think it's plausible (and most likely) that he doesn't. I don't claim to know or claim to believe that he doesn't but people have been making the god claim to their fellow idiot humans who eat it up without a shred of evidence for thousands of years and in all that time, NO ONE has come up with ANY evidence WHATSOEVER that the god claim is true.

That is just incorrect but what would be evidence for the God claim even be in your eyes? You said that somebody growing an arm right in front of your eyes wouldn't be evidence. What would be evidence?

There is evidence that God exists. Most people think what is available is enough just because you want more evidence is totally irrelevant. Basically what you'd need is mathematical certainty, from what I gather, that God exists or you'll reject it. The problem is with you, not the evidence.