Atheist 10 commandments

ivwshane

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Most seem like common sense and I thought it was a good list considering moonbeams recent post.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/19/living/atheist-10-commandments/?c=&page=0

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(CNN) - What if, instead of climbing Mount Sinai to receive the Ten Commandments from God, Moses had turned to the Israelites and asked: Hey, what do you guys think we should do?

Considering the Hebrews' bad behavior in the Bible, what with the coveting of neighbors' wives and murdering their own brothers, that might have been a disastrous idea.

But in our own more enlightened age, we're perfectly capable of crowdsourcing our own commandments -- or, at least, that's what a new project would have us believe.

Lex Bayer, an executive at AirBnB, and John Figdor, a humanist chaplain at Stanford University, delivered their own 10 "non-commandments" in a book they co-wrote: "Atheist Heart, Humanist Mind." Bayer said the book forced him to clarify and articulate his own beliefs, and he thought others could benefit from doing the same.

"A lot of atheists' books are about whether to believe in God or not," he said. "We wanted to consider: OK, so you don't believe in God, what's next? And that's actually a much harder question."

Enter the "10 'Non-Commandments' Contest," in which atheists were asked to offer modern alternatives to the famous Decalogue. And, to sweeten the pot, the contest offered $10,000 in moolah to the winning would-be Moses. (If it helped boost atheists' public image and drum up publicity for his book, all the better, Bayer said.)

The contest drew more than 2,800 submissions from 18 countries and 27 U.S. states, according to Bayer and Figdor. The proposed "non-commandments" ranged from the quizzical ("Don't follow your nature") to the quixotic ("Thriving in space is the ultimate goal").

A team of 13 judges selected 10 of the more sober and serious submissions, and announced the winners Friday.

There's nary a "thou shalt" among them -- nothing specifically about murder, stealing or adultery, although there is a version of the Golden Rule, which presumably would cover those crimes.

If they lack faith in the divine, the atheist "non-commandments" display a robust faith in humankind, as if Silicon Valley had replaced Sinai.

Bayer said humans are hardwired for compassion, and the scientific method and wisdom of crowds -- or the tribes that gather online each day -- will weed out bad ideas. In other words, this is an open-ended, and hopefully progressive, process, he said.

So, will the 10 ideas form a new moral foundation for atheists or build a Tower of Babel? Take a look and see what you think.

Here are the "Ten Non-Commandments" chosen as the winners:

1. Be open-minded and be willing to alter your beliefs with new evidence.

2. Strive to understand what is most likely to be true, not to believe what you wish to be true.

3. The scientific method is the most reliable way of understanding the natural world.

4. Every person has the right to control of their body.

5. God is not necessary to be a good person or to live a full and meaningful life.

6. Be mindful of the consequences of all your actions and recognize that you must take responsibility for them.

7. Treat others as you would want them to treat you, and can reasonably expect them to want to be treated. Think about their perspective.

8. We have the responsibility to consider others, including future generations.

9. There is no one right way to live.

10. Leave the world a better place than you found it.
 
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compuwiz1

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Again, another lefty advocating destruction of values. You should have had a staring role in that movie, Gremlins. Nothing good comes of your existence on this earth. Did you swing so far left, so fast, that it put a dent on your skull, when you hit the other side, or did you spread it out a little bit? ;)
 

sandorski

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Again, another lefty advocating destruction of values. You should have had a staring role in that movie, Gremlins. Nothing good comes of your existence on this earth. Did you swing so far left, so fast, that it put a dent on your skull, when you hit the other side, or did you spread it out a little bit? ;)

Destruction of what values?
 

sandorski

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This is a good list, but there seems to be a lot of overlap. At least each one offers something of value though. Unlike the Mosaic version(s).
 

mikeymikec

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Troll came to troll, found nothing to troll on...

Atheism the religion of the non believers....
Wait, he's thought of something.

Again, another lefty advocating destruction of values. You should have had a staring role in that movie, Gremlins. Nothing good comes of your existence on this earth. Did you swing so far left, so fast, that it put a dent on your skull, when you hit the other side, or did you spread it out a little bit? ;)

It's interesting that a group of people coming up with a list of values are advocating destruction of values, in your opinion. No reasoning behind the explanation though.

If you need to ask, you don't get it.

:rolleyes:
 
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Rakehellion

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I'd prefer not to have any commandments.

#9 seems to negate all the rest. This is becoming a religion.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I'd prefer not to have any commandments.

#9 seems to negate all the rest. This is becoming a religion.

Commandments would be illogical. There is no moral authority and to impose one as if there were makes no sense. It's advantageous to have certain behaviors encouraged within the herd, as it makes the substitution of political control for an organized religion and fear of state authority for a divinities judgment. Chicken soup for the non believer.
 

Blanky

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That atheists would even want a list and mirror its number of the old testament is fairly ironic.
 

Retro Rob

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Saw this a couple weeks back, and really laughed because everything about atheism nowadays piggy-backs religion. First, the atheist church which admittedly kept the "good parts" of religion and now this.

Atheism has no depth, no substance, no originality...just seems to be a modified version of Christianity, especially with these "non-commandments".

lol
 

ivwshane

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I'd prefer not to have any commandments.

#9 seems to negate all the rest. This is becoming a religion.

I agree but that begs the question, is the purpose of religion to believe in something that can't be proven to exist or is the purpose of religion to be a helping guide for ones life? Athiest don't believe in a god but I've never heard them self described as not having any values.

I don't believe in any religion but that doesn't mean I don't have a list of personal commandments that I adhere to.

It's funny to listen to the religious folks chime in though, they don't sound any different than the "terrorists" in the Middle East.
 

KB

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Saw this a couple weeks back, and really laughed because everything about atheism nowadays piggy-backs religion. First, the atheist church which admittedly kept the "good parts" of religion and now this.

Atheism has no depth, no substance, no originality...just seems to be a modified version of Christianity, especially with these "non-commandments".

lol

More like a modified version of Judaism as the 10 commandments is Old Testament, aka the Torah. Christianity like all religions borrowed it's ideas from others.

I think the atheists should have 3.14 commandments instead of ten. Show they can do it in fewer.
 

Retro Rob

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More like a modified version of Judaism as the 10 commandments is Old Testament, aka the Torah. Christianity like all religions borrowed it's ideas from others.

Technically, you're right...the 10 are not a part of Christianity, but they are a part of the Bible as is Christianity and Jesus was a descendant of the Israelites, so they overlap quite well.

But the point is that atheism is heralded as the opposite of religion...it really isn't an opposite, but a modification of, or modern version.

Atheism is evolving, and will soon have a leadership team just like religion because that's really all it is.
 

ivwshane

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Lol! This post epitomizes your being; little substance, lazy, and a simple regurgitation of what others have said. We get it, you don't like reading, especially if it's not about something that reinforces your beliefs.
 

ivwshane

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More like a modified version of Judaism as the 10 commandments is Old Testament, aka the Torah. Christianity like all religions borrowed it's ideas from others.

I think the atheists should have 3.14 commandments instead of ten. Show they can do it in fewer.

Well with the ninth commandment there is no reason why it couldn't be.

The problem I have with organized religion is the corruption and the exploitation of it's followers. If atheism became a religion there is no reason to believe that it wouldn't suffer the same problems. So while it's nice to have a set of common principals it sets up the beginning of the end once it crosses over from personal beliefs to group beliefs.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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It's funny to listen to the religious folks chime in though, they don't sound any different than the "terrorists" in the Middle East.

Well let's look at how the religious are persecuting the non-religious in this thread.

Here's Retro Rob calling for what should be done to you perhaps?

And certainly he and others here are just lining up to do this to you personally.

BTW, the most "well it's great the US is spying and if we kill the Muslims it's fine by me" person here happens to be an atheist.

If you are going to display your personal bigotry at least couch in a more clever disguise.

Now you can point to the Westboro Baptist church and I'll link to mass murderer sociopaths who killed without any religious consideration at all. We can do that all day. What you won't find is anyone here who is remotely like "those terrorists in the ME", well perhaps excepting that atheist I mentioned. I doubt that even he would strap on an explosive vest though.

As for the rest you can have any moral code you like. That's something that is more freeing when there is no higher power because everything else is merely a consensus which uses force to keep you in check. Right and wrong are mere artifices with no real basis than social constructs to keep the population in check. There is no purpose, no meaning in fact, but you are free to assign any values you like, and the majority are free to punish you if you fall outside traditional norms.