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lupi

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2 dungeon runs to finish off my elders.

anyone take a look at the love achievement crap? that one only last a week and the list is fairly long, hoping they are pretty short ones.
 

Soccerman06

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We are planning a lot of exciting content for patch 3.1.0, and we are doing a three-part preview series on upcoming class changes. This is the first in the series: Priests, Rogues, and Shaman. Please keep in mind, that this list is not at all comprehensive, and subject to change.

PRIEST

* Divine Spirit ? this spell is now a core ability available to all priests.
* Discipline has access to a new talent, Power Word: Barrier. (Think of it as Power Word: Shield for your whole group).
* Several area of effect (AOE) heal spells have been improved: Prayer of Healing can be cast on any groups in your raid party. Holy Nova?s mana cost has been reduced. Circle of Healing now heals for more.
* Shadow priest PvP survivability has been improved: Shadow Form now reduces magic as well as physical damage. Dispersion now removes snares.
* Penance ? this spell can now be targeted on the priest.
* Serendipity ? this talent now reduces the cast time of Greater Heal and Prayer of Healing when Binding Heal or Flash Heal are cast.
* We are also working to give Holy additional PvP utility.


ROGUE

* Hunger for Blood ? instead of a self-buff, this ability can only be used when there is a bleed effect on the target. However, it has no stacks and grants a 15% damage bonus.
* Adrenaline Rush ? the cooldown on this ability has been lowered.
* Lightning Reflexes ? reduced to 3 ranks. In addition to 2/4/6% dodge, this talent now also grants 4/7/10% passive melee haste.
* Killing Spree ? while this ability is active, the rogue does 20% additional damage.
* Savage Combat ? now causes 2/4% physical damage done.
* Mace Specialization ? this talent now grants haste in addition to armor penetration.


SHAMAN

* Chain Lightning ? now jumps to 4 targets but does less damage. We wanted to make the distinction between Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning more clear.
* Storm, Earth and Fire ? this talent now increases all damage done by Flame Shock, not just periodic damage.
* Spirit Weapons ? now reduces all threat, not just melee threat.
* Unleashed Rage ? reduced to 2 ranks, now also increases your critical strike chance with melee attacks by 1/2%.
* Totem streamlining: The Mana Spring and Healing Stream Totems have been combined. The Disease Cleansing and Poison Cleansing Totems have been combined.
* We are also working on giving Enhancement and Elemental more PvP utility.

Something tells me warlocks will still get the shaft and mages will get lovin... not like they need it.
 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: Soccerman06
ROGUE

* Hunger for Blood ? instead of a self-buff, this ability can only be used when there is a bleed effect on the target. However, it has no stacks and grants a 15% damage bonus.
* Adrenaline Rush ? the cooldown on this ability has been lowered.
* Lightning Reflexes ? reduced to 3 ranks. In addition to 2/4/6% dodge, this talent now also grants 4/7/10% passive melee haste.
* Killing Spree ? while this ability is active, the rogue does 20% additional damage.
* Savage Combat ? now causes 2/4% physical damage done.
* Mace Specialization ? this talent now grants haste in addition to armor penetration.

Thank motherfucking god.
 

lupi

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Can't comment much on the rogue stuff as it's one of my lowest level chars, but the priest stuff seems like some nice group utility additions. Not sure about the pvp survivability stuff when melee still gets to WTFPWN you.

The totem clean up on shammies alone is almost good enough.
 

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Maybe things have changed for SP PvP since I was into it(S3), but it wasn't magic damage that pissed me off in arena... also looks like non resto shamans still need PvP work... STILL.
 

Anubis

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Absoutly destroyed 6 min maly last night (25), its easy as nuts when people actually look at what the drakes do
Malygos Helper is a good mod for seeing who sucks at drakes

and i gots my Twilight drake woo woo roll hax
 

Chimley

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Absoutly destroyed 6 min maly last night (25), its easy as nuts when people actually look at what the drakes do
Malygos Helper is a good mod for seeing who sucks at drakes

and i gots my Twilight drake woo woo roll hax

Did you guys use the 10 man strat for your 25 man kill? We haven't attempted it yet because well.. most of us aren't motivated until we get Immortal done.

Grats on your bluebee drake. I like mine.. kinda sad that once I get my Plagued Proto Drake that I won't be using it :(

 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Anubis
you forget that many of us simply dont care about making money because we dont need to

It really is a shame too. I do not like that gold is hardly worth anything beyond wear & tear, consumables, and enchant/JC mats for gear upgrades. You also got some of the big money sinks, but they are more like a side feature to the game for people with either too much gold or hardly anything to do.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Absoutly destroyed 6 min maly last night (25), its easy as nuts when people actually look at what the drakes do
Malygos Helper is a good mod for seeing who sucks at drakes

and i gots my Twilight drake woo woo roll hax

Speaking of Maly, one issue I have is that I cannot see anyone else's drake in my UI while using Pitbull. Does anyone know a decent work around solution to that because I always heal during Maly and just healing myself for it to chain to others seems rather wasteful.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Chimley
Originally posted by: Anubis
Absoutly destroyed 6 min maly last night (25), its easy as nuts when people actually look at what the drakes do
Malygos Helper is a good mod for seeing who sucks at drakes

and i gots my Twilight drake woo woo roll hax

Did you guys use the 10 man strat for your 25 man kill? We haven't attempted it yet because well.. most of us aren't motivated until we get Immortal done.

Grats on your bluebee drake. I like mine.. kinda sad that once I get my Plagued Proto Drake that I won't be using it :(

yea im only 1 acheivement from the puke drake now

I dont know what you mean by "the 10 man strat" but its basicially the same fight with more people

Nuke him to 50% before 2nd vortex get him to 30ish % before P2 starts and then dont fuck up drakes

Immortal will be the last one we do. There has not been a KT where the first void has not taken out at least 1 mele, seriously i think the only way we are gonna do it is to take all ranged and a few tanks

on 3D 25 this week the first void took out...... 3 DKS

lol :(
 

Xavier434

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I really do not get it. I have never been killed by a void to this day. Granted, I am not melee and I know it can be more difficult for them to see it but geez...

Maybe I should make a mod that announces whenever a void spawns so people at least look to see if it is near them.
 

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Our guild had another nice run of Naxx last night, I finally got my Extract of Necromantic power woohoo! My dps over the course of the Naxx run ended up averaging 3600'ish (pre-extract of power, which I got from Sapphiron). So I figured what the heck and tried to hit up the target dummy in Ironforge. My dps on the 80 dummy ended up being only 2747, and on the skull boss dummy 2470. I can't figure out why I'm lagging so far behind other shadowpriests in dps. My gear isn't perfect yet, but it's beginning to aggravate me.

Right now my spellpower is 1767 unbuffed, 21.47% crit, and 251 hit rating. As usual the cincture of polarity dropped (best in slot for shadowpriest waist, because of it's +hit I would have reached my +hit cap) but it went to a mage. On the dps scales, at 3600 average dps, I was about 12th place in the damage charts. :(
 

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I am finally raiding on my restored rogue... picked up webbed death & spinning fate on my 2nd run with the guild (open roll as we still have to get like 3 PUGs)... not bad for the time invested. Berserking enchant is the way to go for enchants... but damn is it pricey @ over 1k. This morning I scored the Instructor BOE shoulders from some dude just looking to offload stuff... 1k gold... great deal as a couple places state that it's been going for 3k avg. I will cry if I win the tier shoulders on the very next run though... that extra socket helps.

All-inclusive, I'm doing 2k dps as a mut rogue while a DK, war, & dps dr00d are doing near 3k... no doubt AOE helps (my fan of knives isn't doing so hot apparently) but damn... I'm so far down the Recount list it's embarassing. I'm still missing with regular melee swings at about a 15% rate as my hit rating is only around 200. But what I don't get is even when I buffed up to 285hit rating I was still at 14% miss for that boss fight. :| Is this because of the offhand swing factor?

And WTH are dps dr00ds doing to be able to dps that much? Is it an OP cat swipe? Oh and I hate that our dr00d tank keeps rolling on leather dps, but he's the RL. :(
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
I really do not get it. I have never been killed by a void to this day. Granted, I am not melee and I know it can be more difficult for them to see it but geez...

Maybe I should make a mod that announces whenever a void spawns so people at least look to see if it is near them.

we dont get it either :(
 

Chimley

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Chimley
Originally posted by: Anubis
Absoutly destroyed 6 min maly last night (25), its easy as nuts when people actually look at what the drakes do
Malygos Helper is a good mod for seeing who sucks at drakes

and i gots my Twilight drake woo woo roll hax

Did you guys use the 10 man strat for your 25 man kill? We haven't attempted it yet because well.. most of us aren't motivated until we get Immortal done.

Grats on your bluebee drake. I like mine.. kinda sad that once I get my Plagued Proto Drake that I won't be using it :(

yea im only 1 acheivement from the puke drake now

I dont know what you mean by "the 10 man strat" but its basicially the same fight with more people

Nuke him to 50% before 2nd vortex get him to 30ish % before P2 starts and then dont fuck up drakes

Immortal will be the last one we do. There has not been a KT where the first void has not taken out at least 1 mele, seriously i think the only way we are gonna do it is to take all ranged and a few tanks

on 3D 25 this week the first void took out...... 3 DKS

lol :(

Yeah.. that's the 10 man strat. I'll try to motivate the boys for one next week.

 

lupi

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Blue posts
Interesting blue posts are starting to appear... 3.1.0 release on PTRs is probably closer than ever!
Quote from Blizzard staff

Differences between classes DPS in raid
There is no such thing as a typical raid or even a typical encounter, so it is tricky to make blanket statements like "X always tops the meters." Overall, we suspect that warriors are too high (largely on double-dipping effects of Deep Wounds), DKs may be too high, and rogues and possibly cats are too low. This should not be news to anyone who follows these forums.

Again, that depends enormously on your actual group. Players are often very quick to ignore differences in gear or skill when claiming their dps is too low. We tend to balance around individual encounters though. There might be certain fights where we think say mages, hunters or shamans are too high depending on how that encounter plays out. I would not try and read too much into my statements above. (Source)

[...] When we say "pure dps classes should generally top the meters" we mean "warlocks, hunters, mages and rogues." However, when we say "generally top the meters" we are refering to players of flawless skill and perfect gear. For almost all raids composed of mortals, a very good player of any dps spec should be able to do the highest damage on an encounter. This was not the case in BC where we kept say Enhancement shamans or Retribution paladins much lower than the pure classes. (Source)

Dual Talent Spec
This is still in the works and we will have more information on it for everyone before too much longer. (Source)

Raids & Dungeons
Sapphiron - Aura bugged / not affected by Frost resist?
We've made no explicit changes to the encounter on the design side to change how the frost aura works. When Sapphiron enters combat, he casts a spell on himself that every 2 seconds casts the debuff players receive, which you see as "Frost Aura". That debuff is a 5 second duration damage over time effect that deals frost damage every second. The only difference between the 10 and 25 player versions of these spells is the amount of damage.

So if you were only getting damaged every 2 seconds previously in a 10 player raid, and still are only getting damaged every 2 seconds in a 25 player raid, there's some kind of odd bug going on that I'll have to track down. Especially since the data says you should be taking damage every second. (Source)

Once we find out what he bug is and correct the problem, we'll adjust the numbers if needed to closely match the damage that players have been experiencing when WotLK shipped. We're not trying to adjust the difficulty of this fight, but we need to determine what's happening so this bug doesn't cause problems with future encounters. (Source)

Sapphiron - not casting all the Ice Blocks he should
We're also trying to track down why Sapphiron decides to occasionally not cast all the Ice Blocks he should. (Source)


Malygos - bugs in 3.0.8
We're checking into the various issues noted here, including why his cone breath hits targets behind his centerpoint, issues with malygos deciding to attack in phase 2, and trying to make the defense bubble's protection work even if you enter the bubble in between the time a missile is launched and when it lands. (Source)

Malygos - Feign Death not working is "intended"
Feign death not working in actually intentional, but certainly not desired. It was causing a very nasty problem, and we've been trying to figure out a way to handle the particular boundary case without setting the creature flag that ignores feign death. (Source)

Itemization Q&A (Source)
1.) Why homogenize gear so much? Although I could understand the hassle when something like plate aster gear drops and there's no pally, but when you standardize things like stamina and armor, classes that depend on them take a hit.

You answered your own question here. Nobody was going to be happy when the Feral tanking armor or Frost DK plate started to drop except maybe 2 out of 30 specs.

2.) What's with the need for "all specs being viable for everything"? I was perfectly fine with builds that were preferred for PvP and others for PvE, it was how a player was defined (like if they were a raider, or a PvPer). Not only that, now you have to balance every spec to each other (as if balancing wasn't hard enough).

Among other things, we thought it was shallow that every raider of a class had the same spec and every Gladiator of a class had the same spec. For dps classes, that also tended to lead to the PvE spec, the PvP spec and the pointless spec. For classes with very different roles per tree (like shamans) it doesn't make sense at all to have a PvP spec. So Resto shamans are only for PvP?

3.) PvE gear vs. PvP gear. There's nothing that differentiates them besides 2 stats. Hit and resilience. When I switch over to my PvE gear, I lose a whopping 1k HP. 1k. That's barely anything. Why can't PvP gear and PvE gear be more specialized for those purposes so classes that aren't as reliant on resilience don't get a one-up on others like at the beginning of this season? Also, Naxx 25 raiding is so retard friendly that the best PvE 2 hander in the game is about as easy to get as one piece of savage while the Deadly weapons are almost unreachable.

If you compare a PvE and PvP piece of the same item level, the PvP piece has more resilience and pays for it by having its other stats lower. This wasn't necessarily the case in BC when resilience was more of a free bonus stat.The PvE gear is currently pretty easy to get, but we think that is actually a fine place to be after BC where anyone could get Arena "welfare" epics and raiding scared off a lot of people. The PvP gear in LK isn't all that hard to get either when you consider that you can spend badges or get lucky on Archavon. If we could do it over again, though, we probably would have started the Arena season earlier (or at least let some of the Honor gear be attainable) so that there wasn't so much high level PvE gear relative to PvP gear floating around.The Ulduar gear, especially the better weapons, will be harder to get, just like the new season of gladiator gear will be harder to get.

Death Knight (Skills List / Talent + Glyph Calc.)
Ebon Plague / Unholy Blight
Can you make Unholy Blight a disease again and Ebon Plague a magical effect?

Not all Unholy DKs pick up Unholy Blight though. One of the benefits of Ebon Plague is it just happens without having to spend that extra GCD. We'll get it fixed.We also agree that Plague Strike feels underwhelming. Part of the reason is that, unlike Icy Touch, it also has a pretty significant PvP effect in its ability to remove hots. We have some ideas to improve it though. We definitely don't want DKs to ever feel like the right way to play is to ignore one of their two main diseases. As some players have pointed out, there are a few reasons why that is the case.

As a new class, I would expect to see a higher rate of change over time in the DK until they have caught up a little more with the 4+ year history of the other classes. (Source)

Hunter (Skills List / Talent + Glyph Calc.)
Explosive shot hotfixed and nerfed
We made a hotfix recently to lower the coefficient of Explosive Shot. Sorry we didn't get a chance to announce the change ahead of time. We don't typically do patch notes for hotfixes so we don't have a system in place to always broadcast these before they happen.

We are in the process of making some changes to get damage done more in parity (in PvP and PvE). If there are other classes far ahead of you on the damage meters, chances are good they will see some nerfs to their damage soon too_Overall, we are trying to make changes in a more timely manner so that players won't feel like they are stuck with a bug or other issue forever. We won't be able to get every issue fixed overnight, but it's a start.

Ok where is the un nerf for BM then since you want to fix issues in a timely manner.

Soon. I can't tell you a date, but it won't be long. (Source)

Developer Q&A (Source)
1. You said you are happy with the dps a MM hunter can pull. I have been playing in a competitive raid environment for 4 years and when I spec marks I fall 1000 dps behind ele shams, 800 dps behind the moonkin and 700 dps behind the arcane mages. We also then see you stating that you feel arcane mages are performing well in pve. Do your internal tests have MM hunters and arcane mages near each other or are we reading too much into what you are saying?

What I said before was that players tend to look at relative numbers while we look at absolute numbers. All the players saying "SV is not too high" justify that by saying "because I am not topping the meters." And in some cases, SV is topping the meters.

You want all ferocity pets to feel viable in PVE but pets like wasps, wolves, tall striders and carrion birds have utility specials instead of damage specials. The only way I can see balancing the pets would be to give them 2 unique specials, one utility and one damage oriented. What ideas have been brainstormed at the table?

There is a trade-off between damage and utility. We specifically gave some hunter pets raid buff / debuff options in case your group, esp. a 5 or 10-player group, has trouble having access to that bonus. I have seen a lot of wasps out there lately.But as I also said, more parity among pets is something we want to pursue. Currently most of the hunter discussions on the forums are about SV-MM-BM differences or PvP however.

3. 41 point survival talent was due for a buff coming out of beta but we have seen no further discussion on it; last patch it even received a nerf! What are your plans for this?

We hope to be able to announce some 3.1 changes soon.

5. MM is still crippled by Chimera shots ~580 mana cost. Any chance we could see some arcane shot glyph inspired solutions to this? Possibly make rapid recuperation like shamanistic rage?

We will be adding more glyphs over time, especially for newer abilities. We didn't want to add them all right away for fear that players would just assume the glyphed version of the spell was the way the spell worked rather than realizing what a benefit the glyph itself brought. If that makes sense.

Priest (Skills List / Talent + Glyph Calc.)
The Role of the Priest (Source)
This is an experiment. One of the things that has confused me a little are all of the posts from players who say they don't understand the role of the priest class. It is unclear to us why there is so much confusion about this particular class, which seems to us to be fairly straightforward.

We are often reluctant to lay out our design goals very clearly, because frankly some players tend to use those statements to attempt to lawyer us into changes ("I'm supposed to be the master of AE damage") or would rather argue about the design instead of providing feedback on how the class actually works.

Nevertheless, because players have asked for it so often and in the interest of trying to foster the discussion, here is what we think of as the role of the priest class.

The Role of the Priest
The priest is a caster class that uses Holy and Shadow magic. Priests can only wear cloth armor and have a limited selection of weapons, but do most of their damage and healing from range. They make up for their low armor with spells that offer protection and healing.

? Discipline -- this is a healing tree that emphasizes survival and single-target healing. Discipline specializes in damage absorption and prevention rather than restoring health, although they are very capable in that department too.

? Holy -- this is a healing tree that has a spell suited for every situation. Holy priests can heal groups, heal individuals, heal tanks, or do all three in a single encounter. They are better at group healing than Discipline priests, but don't have as many damage prevention capabilities.

? Shadow -- this tree sacrifices healing for damage. Shadow priests can restore health and mana to their group while casting their spells. Like the Shadow damage of warlocks, Shadow priest damage tends towards drains and damage over time spells.

Jack of all trades?

I'm pretty sure "jack of all trades, master of none" is something the community came up with, not us. All I have ever said is you can't be "jack of all trades, master of all." You can't be "the best healer in the game." We have no problem if Disc priests can equal Holy paladins or if Holy priests can AE heal as well as Resto shamans. Priests just can't AE heal so well that Resto shamans become pointless. A group that takes all Holy priests for its healers should feel like it is missing out (though it should still be possible). I would say the same thing about every class in the game. (Source)

Shadow Priest DPS and survavibility
We think Shadow priest damage is good in PvE and PvP, minus a few annoying bugs. We think the problem is that Shadow priests just can't survive long enough to do damage. That is a combination of some classes doing too much damage, but also Shadow defenses being too weak. (Source)

Prayer of Healing
Yes, we think the cast time is everything. It?s not a good spell for emergencies (like CoH is). It?s a good spell for a group with several people who are low, but who aren?t in imminent danger of dying. Ideally, we still want the group distinction to go away when you are in a raid, but we aren?t quite there yet. Until we can reach that point (and who knows when that will be) at least you can heal a group with PoH instead of having to worry about who is in your group. Our plan is not to make PoH a smart heal. We went that direction with CoH because the instant cast made it possible to just go heal multiple groups quickly. We don?t think there is a danger of that with PoH. So yes, you would target the rogue and it would heal her and the 4 others in her group. But we'll see how things stand when more players have a chance to try it out. I've already healed Ulduar. /gloat (Source)

Rogue (Skills List / Talent + Glyph Calc.)
3.1.0 Killing Spree
Just imagine it is exactly like the current Killing Spree except that your dps goes up while Killing Spree is active. (Source)

3.1.0 Hunger for Blood
The idea with Hunger for Blood is you will probably have bleeds available from other classes in a raid setting (and even if you didn't you can add them yourself). But in PvP it will require an extra step to really benefit from HfB and thus tone down Assassination burst damage a little.There are more related changes, some sooner and some in 3.1. We didn't want to list every single change, just a sampling. (EDIT: To prevent a lot more posts from saying the same thing, we know HfB is not popular in PvP now. We don't want to change that as a consequence of these other changes. (Source))

3.1.0 Hunger for Blood (Continued)
The idea with Hunger for Blood is you will probably have bleeds available from other classes in a raid setting (and even if you didn't you can add them yourself). We are making several changes to rogue talents and abilities. Some are coming before 3.1. Some of them are definitely with the intention of toning down PvP burst. If we buff HfB and change some other rogue abilities, there is a risk that HfB will end up getting used for PvP. The extra bleed requirement should help discourage that and thus still satisfy our goal to tone down Assassination burst damage a little. (Source)

Rogue burst damage
We are reducing it. These changes are not all of the changes. (Source)

Can we expect any more PvE Buffs?These changes are not all of the changes. (Source)

Vanish
"Working as intended" gets used too broadly. With Vanish, the issue is more like: we think there are probably some bugs with it still somewhere, but whenever we sit down and try to replicate those bugs so we can get to the bottom of the problem, the dumb spell works perfectly. (Source)

Warlock (Skills List / Talent + Glyph Calc.)
Pet scaling, more warlock changes in 3.1
I don't want to ninja a rogue thread, but the buffs to demons went beyond fixes to scaling problems. The Infernal and Doom Guard were already scaling correctly, and even they went up. I was mostly joking with my comment anyway. And yes, more love for locks in 3.1. Stay tuned. (Source)

Warrior (Skills List / Talent + Glyph Calc.)
Deep Wounds hotfixed
We have been working on fixing the bugs with Deep Wounds so that we wouldn't have to just nerf it across the board. Some of those hotfixes may have gone in.

Fury in particular was doing too much damage on many encounters solely because of these bugs. We think Arms pve damage is probably too low, but we don't want to adjust that by having a buggy Deep Wounds. We also want to make sure prot warriors do not lose too much damage or threat. (Source)
1.) The weapon damage got all the modifiers (Enrage or Death wish, Two handed spec.)
2.) Then the bleed got those same modifiers (Enrage/Death+Two handed spec).

This is the change we made: Number 2 will no longer happen. Instead Deep Wounds will just be a percentage of the damage calculated in number 1. (Source)
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Chimley
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Chimley
Originally posted by: Anubis
Absoutly destroyed 6 min maly last night (25), its easy as nuts when people actually look at what the drakes do
Malygos Helper is a good mod for seeing who sucks at drakes

and i gots my Twilight drake woo woo roll hax

Did you guys use the 10 man strat for your 25 man kill? We haven't attempted it yet because well.. most of us aren't motivated until we get Immortal done.

Grats on your bluebee drake. I like mine.. kinda sad that once I get my Plagued Proto Drake that I won't be using it :(

yea im only 1 acheivement from the puke drake now

I dont know what you mean by "the 10 man strat" but its basicially the same fight with more people

Nuke him to 50% before 2nd vortex get him to 30ish % before P2 starts and then dont fuck up drakes

Immortal will be the last one we do. There has not been a KT where the first void has not taken out at least 1 mele, seriously i think the only way we are gonna do it is to take all ranged and a few tanks

on 3D 25 this week the first void took out...... 3 DKS

lol :(

Yeah.. that's the 10 man strat. I'll try to motivate the boys for one next week.


Also depending on how many locks you run, even if they are all AMAZING at drakes having one of them fly up above maly - dissmount and get COE up on him is very worth it
 

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Originally posted by: AnubisAlso depending on how many locks you run, even if they are all AMAZING at drakes having one of them fly up above maly - dissmount and get COE up on him is very worth it

I absolutely hate Malygos phase 3. I may offer to do this next week.

I tried both 56/0/15 and 2/13/56 specs last night. Spent an hour or two plus around 500 gold screwing with specs, gems, and glyphs while beating on the ?? targeting dummy.

I don't get it. I can handle the affliction rotation (SB -> Haunt -> CoA -> SL -> UA -> Immo) pretty well, but on the dummy I was only seeing 2000-2200 dps. Same with the deep destro spec. Tests on my old 0/31/40 spec had me at 2600-2800 dps. More if I reglyph to conflag and use it whenever it's off cooldown.

I know dummies aren't perfect, but I'd think the destro spec would actually scale better than the aff spec in raid because my crit gets a huge boost from raid buffs. I'm convinced I'm doing something completely wrong. I'm reluctant to change since I'm still a new(er) raider in my guild, and doing 5400dps on Patch (for example) with my current setup is solidifiying my spot in the raids.

 

Lamont Burns

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WARLOCK

# Improved Shadow Bolt ? this talent now provides a 5% spell critical strike buff (similar to Improved Scorch).
# Improved Soul Leech ? this talent now provides Replenishment (similar to shadow priests)
# Drain Soul now has a chance to produce Soul Shards even if the target doesn?t die.
# Siphon Life no longer as an active ability but the talent grants the old Siphon Life effect to Corruption.
# Curse of Recklessness and Curse of Weakness have been combined into one spell
# Consume Shadows ? this Voidwalker ability is no longer channeled but has a cooldown.
# Several other warlock talents have had their ranks reduced, their effects changed or removed. This list includes but is not limited to Demonic Empathy, Shadow Embrace, Eradication, Suppression, and Pandemic.
# Additional new talents have been added.

DRUID

# Savage Defense ? this is a new passive ability. When a druid in Dire Bear form deals a melee critical strike, the druid gains a damage shield equal to 25% of their attack power. The next hit completely removes the shield regardless of how much damage was done.
# Survival of the Fittest has had its bonus armor reduced to compensate for the above increase in damage mitigation.
# Faerie Fire (and similar debuffs) now reduces armor by 5%. See Sunder Armor in the warrior update below for additional details.
# Thorns and Nature?s Grasp can be cast in Tree of Life form.
# Survival Instincts now works in Moonkin form.
# Replenish ? to avoid confusion, this talent has been renamed ?Revitalize.? It now also works with Wild Growth.
# We are also looking at increasing the sustained (not burst) damage of feral druids in cat form.

WARRIOR

# Changing stances now has a much reduced cost: you lose a maximum of 20 rage (10 with Tactical Mastery). For example, if you have 100 rage and change stances, you will have 80 rage remaining. If you have 10 rage and change stances, all of your rage is lost. In addition, we may change the penalties associated with some stances.
# You now gain rage when damage done to you is absorbed, such as through a Power Word: Shield.
# Blood Frenzy now causes 2/4% physical damage done.
# Sunder Armor (and similar debuffs) now reduces armor by 4% per application, and is now a single rank. Creature armor has been globally reduced so that debuffed targets should take about the same damage from physical attacks that they did before this change. The net effect should be that this debuff is slightly less mandatory in PvE and is not disproportionately more powerful against cloth targets in PvP.
# We are also adding increased damage to Arms, possibly through Overpower or Slam.
# We are also looking at granting rage when the warrior blocks, dodges or parries.
 

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Originally posted by: DirthNader
Originally posted by: AnubisAlso depending on how many locks you run, even if they are all AMAZING at drakes having one of them fly up above maly - dissmount and get COE up on him is very worth it

I absolutely hate Malygos phase 3. I may offer to do this next week.

I tried both 56/0/15 and 2/13/56 specs last night. Spent an hour or two plus around 500 gold screwing with specs, gems, and glyphs while beating on the ?? targeting dummy.

I don't get it. I can handle the affliction rotation (SB -> Haunt -> CoA -> SL -> UA -> Immo) pretty well, but on the dummy I was only seeing 2000-2200 dps. Same with the deep destro spec. Tests on my old 0/31/40 spec had me at 2600-2800 dps. More if I reglyph to conflag and use it whenever it's off cooldown.

I know dummies aren't perfect, but I'd think the destro spec would actually scale better than the aff spec in raid because my crit gets a huge boost from raid buffs. I'm convinced I'm doing something completely wrong. I'm reluctant to change since I'm still a new(er) raider in my guild, and doing 5400dps on Patch (for example) with my current setup is solidifiying my spot in the raids.


5400 DPS on patch is better then everyone in my guild other then myself and a DPS warrior, thats not bad at all.

aff sucks on dummys for a few reasons (unless they fixed them) SL does not work cause dummys dont have health, pandemic does not proc, and you cant drain soul
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Lamont Burns
WARLOCK

# Improved Shadow Bolt ? this talent now provides a 5% spell critical strike buff (similar to Improved Scorch).
# Improved Soul Leech ? this talent now provides Replenishment (similar to shadow priests)
# Drain Soul now has a chance to produce Soul Shards even if the target doesn?t die.
# Siphon Life no longer as an active ability but the talent grants the old Siphon Life effect to Corruption.
# Curse of Recklessness and Curse of Weakness have been combined into one spell
# Consume Shadows ? this Voidwalker ability is no longer channeled but has a cooldown.
# Several other warlock talents have had their ranks reduced, their effects changed or removed. This list includes but is not limited to Demonic Empathy, Shadow Embrace, Eradication, Suppression, and Pandemic.
# Additional new talents have been added.

lol WUT WUT

some of those are amazing

# Several other warlock talents have had their ranks reduced, their effects changed or removed. This list includes but is not limited to Demonic Empathy, Shadow Embrace, Eradication, Suppression, and Pandemic

that has me a lil worried
 

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Uh, adding Recklessness and weakness makes no sense. Recklessness gives AP, Weakness takes it away. Why not just make Recklessness give less AP?
 
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