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Anubis

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Originally posted by: DirthNader
Originally posted by: Anubis
Yea my crit dropped a bit as i lost the 90 or whatever was on my staff when i went to the 1 hander, got some back from offhand, but even then our current content best setup only has aff at like 13% with ~2500 unbuffed spellpower and 600 ish haste

2500 unbuffed? Wow.

I'm at 1799 unbuffed now. I know there a few big upgrades I'm missing. Switching out my 10-man Patch dagger for Turning Tide. Embrace of the Spider. The Maly quest necklace.

Does that include Egg of Mortal Essence? I keep hearing conflicting reports that it doesn't proc from fel armor anymore, and from what I've seen in WWS it doesn't.

I can see getting to 2200 pretty easily. I guess the remaining ~300 comes from min / maxing, and giving up the tier pieces for individual items that are best in slot?
Head: [Hood of Rationality]
Neck: [Wyrmrest Necklace of Power]
Shoulders: [Valorous Plagueheart Shoulderpads]
Cloak: [Pennant Cloak]
Chest: [Valorous Plagueheart Robe]
Wrist: [Unsullied Cuffs]
Gloves: [Gloves of the Fallen Wizard]
Feet: [Arcanic Tramplers]
Belt: [Leash of Heedless Magic]
Legs: [Leggings of the Wanton Spellcaster]
Ring: [Signet of Manifested Pain]
Ring: [Band of Channeled Magic]
Trinket: [Dying Curse]
Trinket: [Illustration of the Dragon Soul]

Mainhand: [The Turning Tide]
Offhand: [Surplus Limb]
Wand: [Gemmed Wand of the Nerubians]

Stats (Fel Armour+spellstone)
Spellpower: 2715 (including Illustration of the Dragon Soul 2515+200)
Hit: 359
Haste: 621 (19%)
Crit: 199 (12%)
Spirit: 616


To reiceve these stats you need best gems+enchants and jewelcrafting & Enchanting(which i think are the best proffesionoptions in game). If you dont have these you can deduct

39spellpower from JC epic gems
38 spellpower from enchanting rings
10 spellpower + 6 Spirit from gained socket bonuses due to JC

im at almost 2300 right now without 5 or 6 best in slot parts, i dont use the 4pc cause its not really worth it there are much stronger non set parts if you can get them. 2500 does NOT include any trinket procs but assumes enchanting/JC like i quoted above

Egg still procs from felarmor according to people on EJ, i never got it (not worth it IMO) Sunidal + Curse is better as well as Curse + Spider

EDIT: as for the list above i would prob use the T7 gloves and use either Heigens Putred Vestements or the Spellweaver ones from 10 man maly for a chest part, but thats getting really nitpicky, with heigens you would lose a lil hit but gain a TON of haste (have to gem some hit) with the maly ones you gain crit and have to gem less hit
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Jax Omen
Holy hell, you saved yourself to everything on reset day? lol

;)

well not everything, im not saved to 10 man sarth or either VOA lol

But yea we did Naxx + 3D 25 last night, then we did an 8 man maly which took ~10 min (actually took longer to fly there from dal then it took to kill him) and then did spider wing so Q could get his mount.

Will finish 8 manning naxx this week help others with random acheivements they still need

the earlier in the week i get things done the more time i have to farm low level herbs to sell to you on the AH
 

Juddog

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: DirthNader
Originally posted by: Anubis
Yea my crit dropped a bit as i lost the 90 or whatever was on my staff when i went to the 1 hander, got some back from offhand, but even then our current content best setup only has aff at like 13% with ~2500 unbuffed spellpower and 600 ish haste

2500 unbuffed? Wow.

I'm at 1799 unbuffed now. I know there a few big upgrades I'm missing. Switching out my 10-man Patch dagger for Turning Tide. Embrace of the Spider. The Maly quest necklace.

Does that include Egg of Mortal Essence? I keep hearing conflicting reports that it doesn't proc from fel armor anymore, and from what I've seen in WWS it doesn't.

I can see getting to 2200 pretty easily. I guess the remaining ~300 comes from min / maxing, and giving up the tier pieces for individual items that are best in slot?
Head: [Hood of Rationality]
Neck: [Wyrmrest Necklace of Power]
Shoulders: [Valorous Plagueheart Shoulderpads]
Cloak: [Pennant Cloak]
Chest: [Valorous Plagueheart Robe]
Wrist: [Unsullied Cuffs]
Gloves: [Gloves of the Fallen Wizard]
Feet: [Arcanic Tramplers]
Belt: [Leash of Heedless Magic]
Legs: [Leggings of the Wanton Spellcaster]
Ring: [Signet of Manifested Pain]
Ring: [Band of Channeled Magic]
Trinket: [Dying Curse]
Trinket: [Illustration of the Dragon Soul]

Mainhand: [The Turning Tide]
Offhand: [Surplus Limb]
Wand: [Gemmed Wand of the Nerubians]

Stats (Fel Armour+spellstone)
Spellpower: 2715 (including Illustration of the Dragon Soul 2515+200)
Hit: 359
Haste: 621 (19%)
Crit: 199 (12%)
Spirit: 616


To reiceve these stats you need best gems+enchants and jewelcrafting & Enchanting(which i think are the best proffesionoptions in game). If you dont have these you can deduct

39spellpower from JC epic gems
38 spellpower from enchanting rings
10 spellpower + 6 Spirit from gained socket bonuses due to JC

im at almost 2300 right now without 5 or 6 best in slot parts, i dont use the 4pc cause its not really worth it there are much stronger non set parts if you can get them. 2500 does NOT include any trinket procs but assumes enchanting/JC like i quoted above

Egg still procs from felarmor according to people on EJ, i never got it (not worth it IMO) Sunidal + Curse is better as well as Curse + Spider

EDIT: as for the list above i would prob use the T7 gloves and use either Heigens Putred Vestements or the Spellweaver ones from 10 man maly for a chest part, but thats getting really nitpicky, with heigens you would lose a lil hit but gain a TON of haste (have to gem some hit) with the maly ones you gain crit and have to gem less hit

I have Heigan's putrid vestments and they are damn nice for shadowpriests.

I've thought about switching specs over to JC / enchanting myself, just so A) I can DE all this crap I normally vendor and get tons of gold for it, along with all the heroics I run it could turn into about 200g profit per day, and B) making my own jewels instead of paying the outrageous markups on the AH. From what I've read, it only takes about 1500g to hit a respectable level in jewelcrafting.

On the other hand, I've already spent so much gold and time in Alchemy I really don't want to drop it; the 4 hour flasks (which amounts to about +37 spellpower from mixology) for free are nice and I can sell off the extra herbs I find constantly. If I was to start over from scratch, I would probably go enchanting / JC though, assuming I didn't spend so much time finding alchemy recipies and transmutes. I can see why min/maxers love JC / enchanting though; heck some people have even gone JC / blacksmith (as a cloth wearer!) just so they can use the extra sockets that blacksmith grants.
 

Aikouka

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My DK is JC/BS, but one interesting thing to consider is doing Inscription if you wouldn't mind avoiding Sons of Hodir rep grinding. Also, once epic gems hit, BS will be better than Enchanting, but arguably more costly.
 

DirthNader

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Originally posted by: Anubis
im at almost 2300 right now without 5 or 6 best in slot parts, i dont use the 4pc cause its not really worth it there are much stronger non set parts if you can get them. 2500 does NOT include any trinket procs but assumes enchanting/JC like i quoted above.

Thanks!

Looks like "unbufffed" includes Fel Armor SP bonus? If that's the case I'm up around 2200-2300. I've got 4pT7.5 with a few best-in-slot items: Pennant Cloak, Band of Channeled Magic, Arcanic Tramplers, Mantle of the Corrupted.

I'll check the Egg again. I've done some math, and I can move some gear / enchants / gems around to use this instead of the +hit trinket from Violet Hold and make a solid dps gain if the haste proc is still there from Fel Armor.

Naxx farming may be Thursday night, having an entire raid worth of WWS on no-risk content would answer it conclusively for me.

 

Anubis

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yea that includes fel armor

and DONT GET EGG, its gonna get fixed its a confirmed BUG, wait on Sipder/Dragon Soul/Dyring Curse

Sundial is actually better then Spider because if you have the gear you do, which is much like mine you are going to be haste capped under any 2 haste buffing effects, which sucks, the spelldamage from Sundial never goes to waste
 

Jax Omen

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IIRC Enchanting/JC/Alchemy/BS/LW all offer comparable profession benefits to most everyone. It's just the gathering professions (and engineering) that got screwed on benefits to most (except for mining for tanks).

Generally when people say "unbuffed" they are including class buffs such as Fel Armor, Spell/Fire stones, Molten Armor, Windfury/Flametongue/Earthliving Weapon imbues, etc. Those abilities are part of your core class, not traditional buffs.
 

DirthNader

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Originally posted by: Anubis
yea that includes fel armor

and DONT GET EGG, its gonna get fixed its a confirmed BUG, wait on Sipder/Dragon Soul/Dyring Curse

I've had it for a good long while now. I farmed the hell out of heroics, I've got just about every piece of heroic badge gear I can use sitting in the bank.

Originally posted by: AnubisSundial is actually better then Spider because if you have the gear you do, which is much like mine you are going to be haste capped under any 2 haste buffing effects, which sucks, the spelldamage from Sundial never goes to waste

Didn't think about the haste cap problem w/ Spider. Kind of a relief, since that would mean there's no reason for me to run Naxx10.

I really want new trinkets. Would love to get the Dragon Soul, but I've only seen it drop once in a PUG. I'm sure now that I'm way down on caster loot priority it'll drop this week.

 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: Anubis
BS gets what and extra Wrist Gem slot?

You get a socket in your gloves and bracers. Right now that'd be two 19 spellpower gems, which right now is equivalent to the Enchanting bonus that you mentioned. But the epic spellpower gem will be +23 spellpower, which put it at 8 spellpower over Enchanting.

Also, skinning grants +crit, so if you use crit at all, it has a benefit. But herbalism has a weak heal (over time) that is fairly useless.
 

DirthNader

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Originally posted by: Aikouka

You get a socket in your gloves and bracers. Right now that'd be two 19 spellpower gems, which right now is equivalent to the Enchanting bonus that you mentioned. But the epic spellpower gem will be +23 spellpower, which put it at 8 spellpower over Enchanting.

Hopefully we'll have new ring enchants to match the +23sp. The current +19sp ring enchant is fairly low level, plenty of room to put a new one in a 450.

Tailoring needs love. Embroidery isn't worth it. Even the math I've seen that shows lightweave ahead of the +23 haste enchant shows it's not nearly the same benefit as the other crafting profs.
 

Xavier434

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You know professions in an MMO are not up to par if a lot of people are exchanging them just to get a buff that is supposed to be a side perk. ;)
 

Jax Omen

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my personal opinion is that if you're going to drop one profession for another based on stat benefits, pick up Alchemy. This thing is seriously the cheapest profession ever to level, and you get 4 hour flasks in addition to the flasks being stronger.
 

DirthNader

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Originally posted by: Anubis
heh i dropped lightweave for 23 haste, ill prob drop tailoring for JC unless 3.1 buffs tailoring

Same here regarding lightweave. I'll stick w/ tailoring regardless. It does need a buff though.

Originally posted by: Xavier434
You know professions in an MMO are not up to par if a lot of people are exchanging them just to get a buff that is supposed to be a side perk. ;)

Coming from old-school SWG, professions in any other MMO will never be up to par.
 

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Originally posted by: Jax Omen
my personal opinion is that if you're going to drop one profession for another based on stat benefits, pick up Alchemy. This thing is seriously the cheapest profession ever to level, and you get 4 hour flasks in addition to the flasks being stronger.

You also get the health and mana pots that never get used up and you also get to use Crazied Alchemist Potions which rule.
 

Jax Omen

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Absolutely, but those are sexy perks instead of stat benefits.

But honestly, anyone dropping a gathering profession for a crafting profession for stat gains should pick EITHER the cheapest-to-level crafting profession (easily Alchemy, at least on Ner'Zhul) or the most profitable in the long term (easily Enchanting).
 

Beev

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I want to drop tailoring for jewelcrafting myself, but I'm the realm first 450 tailor, so it has sentimental value :(

(I realize I wouldn't lose the achievement)
 

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as I yell at people in my guild all the time

EVERYONE STOP LEVELING JCING!!!! OHH EMMM GEEE!


Sigh.. :D
 

Juddog

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Originally posted by: Jax Omen
Absolutely, but those are sexy perks instead of stat benefits.

But honestly, anyone dropping a gathering profession for a crafting profession for stat gains should pick EITHER the cheapest-to-level crafting profession (easily Alchemy, at least on Ner'Zhul) or the most profitable in the long term (easily Enchanting).

It's the mindset of a min-maxer. Someone who wants to be the ultimate best they can be and would sacrifice anything to get it. If someone in that mindset found out that you could gain +100 sp by walking backwards non-stop for a week straight, they would do it. That's why you see people so desperate to level enchanting that they will pay people 10g for a skillup, a reverse tip if you would. I wish the local restaurants did that!

"Now paying people to eat food - will pay $10 per steak that you eat!"
 

exdeath

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Been yearning for real life back...

With all the sudden focus on holy paladins post CoH nerf and talk about mana nerfs, it might do the trick for me.
 

Jax Omen

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Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: Jax Omen
Absolutely, but those are sexy perks instead of stat benefits.

But honestly, anyone dropping a gathering profession for a crafting profession for stat gains should pick EITHER the cheapest-to-level crafting profession (easily Alchemy, at least on Ner'Zhul) or the most profitable in the long term (easily Enchanting).

It's the mindset of a min-maxer. Someone who wants to be the ultimate best they can be and would sacrifice anything to get it. If someone in that mindset found out that you could gain +100 sp by walking backwards non-stop for a week straight, they would do it. That's why you see people so desperate to level enchanting that they will pay people 10g for a skillup, a reverse tip if you would. I wish the local restaurants did that!

"Now paying people to eat food - will pay $10 per steak that you eat!"

While I understand that, anybody who spends twice as much gold for ONE spellpower improvement (the difference between Alchemy and Enchanting, for example) and doesn't take into account tertiary benefits (alch-only potions and reduced flask usage versus DEing for profit) is a fool.

If someone weighs the benefits of each one and feels that, say, inscription (which also offers competetive stat benefits to the others) would be their best choice to level... more power to them.

Just don't take JC because profession prismatics are sexy-looking. Trust me, the market crashed HARD, you WILL NOT make money jewelcrafting until Ulduar at the earliest.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Jax Omen
Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: Jax Omen
Absolutely, but those are sexy perks instead of stat benefits.

But honestly, anyone dropping a gathering profession for a crafting profession for stat gains should pick EITHER the cheapest-to-level crafting profession (easily Alchemy, at least on Ner'Zhul) or the most profitable in the long term (easily Enchanting).

It's the mindset of a min-maxer. Someone who wants to be the ultimate best they can be and would sacrifice anything to get it. If someone in that mindset found out that you could gain +100 sp by walking backwards non-stop for a week straight, they would do it. That's why you see people so desperate to level enchanting that they will pay people 10g for a skillup, a reverse tip if you would. I wish the local restaurants did that!

"Now paying people to eat food - will pay $10 per steak that you eat!"

While I understand that, anybody who spends twice as much gold for ONE spellpower improvement (the difference between Alchemy and Enchanting, for example) and doesn't take into account tertiary benefits (alch-only potions and reduced flask usage versus DEing for profit) is a fool.

If someone weighs the benefits of each one and feels that, say, inscription (which also offers competetive stat benefits to the others) would be their best choice to level... more power to them.

Just don't take JC because profession prismatics are sexy-looking. Trust me, the market crashed HARD, you WILL NOT make money jewelcrafting until Ulduar at the earliest.

you forget that many of us simply dont care about making money because we dont need to
 

Jax Omen

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Certainly. My point was more "all the professions offer the same stat bonus. What tertiary benefits do they offer you?"

JC offers you easily-met meta gem requirements (more of an issue for some classes gem choices than others).
Enchanting offers you the profiteering power of DE
Alchemy offers you reduced flask usage and unending potions.
Inscription offers you a repreive from grinding hodir rep and potentially easier access to the Nobles Deck that everyone and their mother wants.
Blacksmithing... offers you the chance to spend more money on gems to equal the stat bonuses of other professions? Dunno, BSing sucks comparatively, IMO.
Engineering offers "fun" toys and repair bots.



If you decide that the most important one of the above is easier meta requirements, by all means, level JC. Don't level JC because "it has the best stat bonus", because it's just not true.
 
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