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rivan

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Originally posted by: Anubis
theres always been undercutting but now its just gotten stupid.

It's so bad it's backwards now.

We had a rash of people PAYING to do enchants that would get them skillups. That seems to have set a precedent where I catch hell if I so much as suggest I'd like a tip.


Originally posted by: DirthNader
Got my 4pT7.5 last night when a loot swap ticket finally went through, and went ahead and bough the dps caster ring with Valor badges. Realized they nerfed the Egg of Mortal Essence though, so that hurts.

How's that work? They'll swap out armor tokens?

Originally posted by: Beev
We did Sarth3D last night. I won the drake :D

Grats!
 

DirthNader

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Originally posted by: rivan
How's that work? They'll swap out armor tokens?

Conq token was master looted to the wrong raid member. He opened a ticket to have it sent to me. Took a week for them to mail me the token.

They didn't change the type of token, just who received it. "Swap" may not have been the best term to use. Sorry!
 

nanobreath

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The whole concept of paying people for skill ups baffles me, especially since you get very little for maxing out most proffesions. Farm the mats, or farm gold and buy the mats. Sitting in IF spamming chat to make items is a waste of time.

Undercutting by such a large margin doesn't make sense. All you have to undercut somebody buy is 1g or less and people will always buy the cheaper one. Even if its 1copper they will buy it first. Usually if I'm selling things that I know the price will hold I'll buy up the greatly reduced items that undercut me. Just have to be a little carefull.

 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: nanobreath
The whole concept of paying people for skill ups baffles me, especially since you get very little for maxing out most proffesions. Farm the mats, or farm gold and buy the mats. Sitting in IF spamming chat to make items is a waste of time.

Undercutting by such a large margin doesn't make sense. All you have to undercut somebody buy is 1g or less and people will always buy the cheaper one. Even if its 1copper they will buy it first. Usually if I'm selling things that I know the price will hold I'll buy up the greatly reduced items that undercut me. Just have to be a little carefull.

Yeah, I don't think most professions even have anything to learn after 435-440. I know BS learns all the epic Titansteel at 440. JC can make the epic necklaces at 435. Alchemy learns all of the flasks at 435.

People pay for skill ups because they don't want to waste their own mats to level a profession and it's not like enchanting really makes anything that can be used. Like my Tailor (who is also my Enchanter) can make gear and just disenchant it... so even if he's using his own mats, there's an intrinsic gain. But if my enchanter sits there Enchanting the same piece of gear for skill ups, there's no gain at all. Also, sometimes you just can't afford the level of mats and paying people might provide more incentive for them to come to you instead of someone else. It's practically the idea of undercutting crafters that charge nothing.

I personally do not pay people for points and do not actively seek out people to help me level up. I've always leveled my professions by myself and will most likely continue to do so. I also don't charge for making anything, but receiving a tip is nice. I remember in BC how bad people were at tipping for JC cuts. I don't think they realize that the nice 18 healing gem they had me cut cost me 800g just to get the design. That nice 9 spell damage gem? Yeah, that was a 800g design too (and now they're worthless :().
 

Juddog

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: nanobreath
The whole concept of paying people for skill ups baffles me, especially since you get very little for maxing out most proffesions. Farm the mats, or farm gold and buy the mats. Sitting in IF spamming chat to make items is a waste of time.

Undercutting by such a large margin doesn't make sense. All you have to undercut somebody buy is 1g or less and people will always buy the cheaper one. Even if its 1copper they will buy it first. Usually if I'm selling things that I know the price will hold I'll buy up the greatly reduced items that undercut me. Just have to be a little carefull.

Yeah, I don't think most professions even have anything to learn after 435-440. I know BS learns all the epic Titansteel at 440. JC can make the epic necklaces at 435. Alchemy learns all of the flasks at 435.

People pay for skill ups because they don't want to waste their own mats to level a profession and it's not like enchanting really makes anything that can be used. Like my Tailor (who is also my Enchanter) can make gear and just disenchant it... so even if he's using his own mats, there's an intrinsic gain. But if my enchanter sits there Enchanting the same piece of gear for skill ups, there's no gain at all. Also, sometimes you just can't afford the level of mats and paying people might provide more incentive for them to come to you instead of someone else. It's practically the idea of undercutting crafters that charge nothing.

I personally do not pay people for points and do not actively seek out people to help me level up. I've always leveled my professions by myself and will most likely continue to do so. I also don't charge for making anything, but receiving a tip is nice. I remember in BC how bad people were at tipping for JC cuts. I don't think they realize that the nice 18 healing gem they had me cut cost me 800g just to get the design. That nice 9 spell damage gem? Yeah, that was a 800g design too (and now they're worthless :().

There have been a rash of people on my server as well doing this for enchanting. JC gems have dropped tremendously in price; I see perfect gems selling for 15g and people paying 10g for a skillup.

Common trade chat looks like this:
"[enchanter] LFW, your mats, will pay you 10g per skill up!!!"

I don't understand why people are so desperate to skill up that they'll pay someone else money; it ruins the market for other enchanters.

Also a big LOL to the JC'ers complaining above; count yourself lucky, as JC seems to be the developer's favorite profession in WoTLK. Look at Alchemy in comparison, 'nuff said. (I'm 450 alchemy / herbalism, and am feeling like my high end recipes are rather useless. Pots besides mana / health are useless since you can only use one per combat, and elixirs are useless for raiders as most people just buy a flask). The main benefit to Alchemy is once in a while I get free extra mats when transmuting from transmutation mastery, and 4 hour flasks are nice too.
 

Chimley

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Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: nanobreath
The whole concept of paying people for skill ups baffles me, especially since you get very little for maxing out most proffesions. Farm the mats, or farm gold and buy the mats. Sitting in IF spamming chat to make items is a waste of time.

Undercutting by such a large margin doesn't make sense. All you have to undercut somebody buy is 1g or less and people will always buy the cheaper one. Even if its 1copper they will buy it first. Usually if I'm selling things that I know the price will hold I'll buy up the greatly reduced items that undercut me. Just have to be a little carefull.

Yeah, I don't think most professions even have anything to learn after 435-440. I know BS learns all the epic Titansteel at 440. JC can make the epic necklaces at 435. Alchemy learns all of the flasks at 435.

People pay for skill ups because they don't want to waste their own mats to level a profession and it's not like enchanting really makes anything that can be used. Like my Tailor (who is also my Enchanter) can make gear and just disenchant it... so even if he's using his own mats, there's an intrinsic gain. But if my enchanter sits there Enchanting the same piece of gear for skill ups, there's no gain at all. Also, sometimes you just can't afford the level of mats and paying people might provide more incentive for them to come to you instead of someone else. It's practically the idea of undercutting crafters that charge nothing.

I personally do not pay people for points and do not actively seek out people to help me level up. I've always leveled my professions by myself and will most likely continue to do so. I also don't charge for making anything, but receiving a tip is nice. I remember in BC how bad people were at tipping for JC cuts. I don't think they realize that the nice 18 healing gem they had me cut cost me 800g just to get the design. That nice 9 spell damage gem? Yeah, that was a 800g design too (and now they're worthless :().

There have been a rash of people on my server as well doing this for enchanting. JC gems have dropped tremendously in price; I see perfect gems selling for 15g and people paying 10g for a skillup.

Common trade chat looks like this:
"[enchanter] LFW, your mats, will pay you 10g per skill up!!!"

I don't understand why people are so desperate to skill up that they'll pay someone else money; it ruins the market for other enchanters.

Also a big LOL to the JC'ers complaining above; count yourself lucky, as JC seems to be the developer's favorite profession in WoTLK. Look at Alchemy in comparison, 'nuff said. (I'm 450 alchemy / herbalism, and am feeling like my high end recipes are rather useless. Pots besides mana / health are useless since you can only use one per combat, and elixirs are useless for raiders as most people just buy a flask). The main benefit to Alchemy is once in a while I get free extra mats when transmuting from transmutation mastery, and 4 hour flasks are nice too.

I'll buy that JC is better off atm compared to other professions. But most of us had to spend a TON to make any money with the JCing back in TBC. Most designs were BOE World Drops and whatnot. I was paying 40G a stack of saronite for prospecting purposes to obtain rare gems to cut and place on the AH. Trust me, a lot of money went into leveling and maintaining JCing.

I understand a bit about why the market is crashing due to what Anubis posted. most people have their shit right now and do not need gems. What gets me is that everyone is fucking leveling JC up and ruining the gem market more. JCers get JC-Only gems.. a max of three on any set of gear at a time. Outside of that, EVERYONE has access to gems for their gear. Hell, I make most of my money from 5G tips for cutting OTHER PEOPLES Gems.. not my own gems on the AH :/

 

Anubis

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TBH chim ill prob drop tailorinig for JC unless the 3.1 patch actually give tailoring something worth making

When epic gems come out again JCs will be bringing it in again, however if the JC only gems stay a ton better then the epic ones more min/maxers may roll JCing for them
 

Jax Omen

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Originally posted by: Anubis
TBH chim ill prob drop tailorinig for JC unless the 3.1 patch actually give tailoring something worth making

When epic gems come out again JCs will be bringing it in again, however if the JC only gems stay a ton better then the epic ones more min/maxers may roll JCing for them

The JC gems are approximately 35%-40% better than the non-JC epic Wrath gems (that aren't yet attainable). You just only get three of them in a set of gear.
 

BenSkywalker

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I don't understand why people are so desperate to skill up that they'll pay someone else money; it ruins the market for other enchanters.

I can think of a lot of different reasons- if you are your guilds enchanter as an example(we expect people who represent the guild for a certain profession to be maxxed very quickly). For enchanting particularly, my toon is stuck at 419 atm, I don't really care one way or the other, but there is nothing I can do to skill him up unless I want to enchant a bunch of my stuff over and over and maybe get skill ups, either that or buy greens on the AH and put some melee chants on them. Either way, I'm out hundreds of gold per point at this point with current market prices. Offering to pay someone 10G per point is a raging bargain compared to what I would have to pay to level it up myself. Mainly the only people interested in the lowbie chants are people leveling their alts at this point, and I am not high enough to learn the good enchants yet. Sure, I could spend thousands of gold to increase my enchanting 10 points, or 100G, really wouldn't be that hard of a choice if I cared at all about my enchanting(I don't, leveled it high enough to get my ring chants, rest- meh).
 

polarmystery

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Damnit this thread makes me want to start playing again, after almost a year and a half after I quit... :(

I won't give in!!
 

nanobreath

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Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
I don't understand why people are so desperate to skill up that they'll pay someone else money; it ruins the market for other enchanters.

I can think of a lot of different reasons- if you are your guilds enchanter as an example(we expect people who represent the guild for a certain profession to be maxxed very quickly). For enchanting particularly, my toon is stuck at 419 atm, I don't really care one way or the other, but there is nothing I can do to skill him up unless I want to enchant a bunch of my stuff over and over and maybe get skill ups, either that or buy greens on the AH and put some melee chants on them. Either way, I'm out hundreds of gold per point at this point with current market prices. Offering to pay someone 10G per point is a raging bargain compared to what I would have to pay to level it up myself. Mainly the only people interested in the lowbie chants are people leveling their alts at this point, and I am not high enough to learn the good enchants yet. Sure, I could spend thousands of gold to increase my enchanting 10 points, or 100G, really wouldn't be that hard of a choice if I cared at all about my enchanting(I don't, leveled it high enough to get my ring chants, rest- meh).

Maybe I'm not at the piont in enchanting where the enchants and mats are that expensive. Just hit 414, so when I get to 419 I'll see. So far I can easily buy mats and use vellums to break even or most of the time make profit selling on the AH. I can understand how sometimes it's cheaper to pay people to skill up, but when you include the opportunity cost of sitting in the city for hours on end hawking, it can actually be cheaper to run out and do some dailies in order to buy mats.
 

Harabec

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My DK is currently specced as frost tank (was unholy, wanted to try something new) but it looks like the rest of my guild won't be in a position to raid any time soon. I wish you could level ANY class from 55...hell even 40. Got my druid to 32 killing murlocs and said "screw it".

Killed Rivendare about 30 times, no mount yet. Found it nice as an easy, mindless gold grind, about 30-40g per 15 mins (1 run).
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
what's vellums?

Vellums are like blank scrolls that enchants can be placed on... there are Weapon and Armor vellums and three different ranks... one for enchants with no restrictions, one for enchants with > iLevel 35 restrictions and one for > iLevel 60 restrictions.
 

ViviTheMage

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
what's vellums?

Vellums are like blank scrolls that enchants can be placed on... there are Weapon and Armor vellums and three different ranks... one for enchants with no restrictions, one for enchants with > iLevel 35 restrictions and one for > iLevel 60 restrictions.

whhhhhhat, I never knew about this and I have always had enchanting capped! Where do I do these?
 

StupidNameGoesHere

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Inscriptionists. Depending on your server, the prices for a stack of 20 can be pricey. You can rank up on it and mail them to other toons or put them on the AH.


Jhaerial
80 NE Rogue - Hyjal
 

lupi

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just noticed while going thorough my guild bank char that the ungo crystal now stack in 100 lots, when did this change go through?
 

lupi

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Haven't done any alt action recently so haven't tested the new GYs yet, but at least I can say the other best thing about the patch (ok, redution of FW for tailors was pretty good) is the adjustment to the shoot them up quest.
 

xboxist

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I made good use of my snow day off from work: spent 5 hours solo-ing ZG (all bosses) and AQ20 (sans Buru and Ayamiss) --- lol

Good fun! I started off by going to ZG to try to get Turtle poly book for a friend. At some point I decided to try to kill everything.

Surprisingly the most difficult boss between those two instances was the Bat bitch in ZG. Apparently flaming poo still hurts at level 80 (it auto hits you every time if you're alone), and she has a 100K heal that is an auto-fail if your Pummel misses (which happened twice to me).

Very diffcult bosses (won with hardly any health remaining after using all CDs):
Bat
Raptor
Hakkar
Ossirian

Super easy bosses:
Jin'do
Panther
Tiger
Moam


Prot warrior
15/5/51
Heroics + Naxx10 gear

Consumables: for each boss I had a food buff, and a battle + guardian elixir. 1 health pot per attempt. Greater Rune of Warding. Greater Ward of Shielding.
 
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