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Anubis

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there are people in my guild that bitch about repair/respec money, and i ask them" do you do dailys" they respond with "fuck dailys" and then i just laugh at them
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: Baked
Damn, you're hella rich. Some people in my guild doesn't even have money for repairs. Of course we play dice while raiding. Trash mobs are 100 a roll, mini bosses can go from 3-500 hundred. Final bosses are 1k a roll. Who the hell needs to do dailies when you can rake in 10K a run.

Well, some dailies are a joke to do in a group, which is one way I make money a little fast (certainly not as fast as some). For example, 5/6 of the Knights of the Ebon Blade dailies are counted toward the entire group. The only one that isn't is the intelligence one, which is horrible and I wouldn't recommend wasting your time unless you want reputation :p. Actually, I do recommend doing it, but if it's taking too long, simply wait until the next day to see if you can possibly finish it over the span of two days.

I still don't understand how someone can have so little gold that they can't afford repairs.

But hey, I also have no idea how people don't have the money for Cold Weather Flying at 77 and how some people couldn't afford their flying mount at 70. But I found that most people wasted their money on stupid shit.
 

rivan

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Originally posted by: DirthNader
Originally posted by: NaOH
I have most of the drops available to me from instances. How do I measure my DPS accurately in recount, I was just stating a number from the last time I had a recount from another party member so it might be wrong. I know I've done higher before and usually do pretty good on runs.

Recount will keep seperate logs for boss fights. Look at your typical DPS from tank-and-spank fights like you see in places such as UK. Trash DPS can be deceptive because AoE can inflate numbers. Some boss fights with gimmicks can lower DPS a good margin.

1400 on a heroic boss is solid DPS in the sense that three DPS players putting out those kinds of numbers will allow the group to clear everything with little problem. Less than that and you start to depend on the other members carrying you.

You may still get turned away from groups that are running heroics to farm badges and rep. These groups are trying to get through as quickly as possible, and to them 1400dps may mean going back to one hour clears as opposed to 30min clears.

DPS is very difficult to measure and highly dependent on those gimmicks, in my experience. This is from a warlock's perspective.

I've done 2800 dps on Archavon (I got lucky and only had to dodge bullshit once the whole fight), but some trash pulls I'm lucky to see 1100.

I'd really like to improve my burst/trash damage but running PUGs means you can't always trust the tank to have & hold aggro the way warlocks need them to. My reluctance to go wide open at the beginning of a CoS timed run led to us missing the timer by ~20-25 seconds. We had the infinite corruptor to ~30% when the timer ran out, he ran off and poofed.
 

rivan

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: Baked
Damn, you're hella rich. Some people in my guild doesn't even have money for repairs. Of course we play dice while raiding. Trash mobs are 100 a roll, mini bosses can go from 3-500 hundred. Final bosses are 1k a roll. Who the hell needs to do dailies when you can rake in 10K a run.

Well, some dailies are a joke to do in a group, which is one way I make money a little fast (certainly not as fast as some). For example, 5/6 of the Knights of the Ebon Blade dailies are counted toward the entire group. The only one that isn't is the intelligence one, which is horrible and I wouldn't recommend wasting your time unless you want reputation :p. Actually, I do recommend doing it, but if it's taking too long, simply wait until the next day to see if you can possibly finish it over the span of two days.

I still don't understand how someone can have so little gold that they can't afford repairs.

But hey, I also have no idea how people don't have the money for Cold Weather Flying at 77 and how some people couldn't afford their flying mount at 70. But I found that most people wasted their money on stupid shit.

This. There are lots of people, if nothing else, who shop the AH for equipment. To wear/wield.

They'll pay 325 gold for the gem that's 2 spellpower higher than the 30 gold gem, because that's what elitistjerks suggests. By all means - buy the top end gem if you can afford it but don't buy it if it means you're reduced to using the guild bank for repairs.
 

ModerateRepZero

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if you're affliction it's prob. from trash going down before your dots finish ticking; corruption and incinerate for example dealt dmg on the first tick. but some of the others took a few seconds to start dealing dmg.....
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: rivan
This. There are lots of people, if nothing else, who shop the AH for equipment. To wear/wield.

They'll pay 325 gold for the gem that's 2 spellpower higher than the 30 gold gem, because that's what elitistjerks suggests. By all means - buy the top end gem if you can afford it but don't buy it if it means you're reduced to using the guild bank for repairs.

Well, there is a certain negativity toward someone using uncommon gems in gear rather than rare gems, so you could probably understand that. I use rare gems in gear that I won't replace easily, but in rare items I only use uncommon gems.

Guild Repairs... ugh, I've never liked that. Back when I was actually in a guild raiding, the progression group was pretty bad about well... not progressing. Yet they had no qualms using guild money to repair. Back when I raided seriously, money would only be provided for repairs on learning a tough end boss or maybe after a night of attempts on a boss. If you fucked up and couldn't down a boss that you should have on farm, it's your own fault. I never used guild repairs and never put money into the guild.

EDIT:

Trash is an annoying beast on my Death Knight too. I found out quickly in that H-Nexus run that I couldn't use my diseases as it was simply a waste of time. I usually only used the diseases on bosses or mobs with a ton of health (> 60k).

The new Heroic Strike makes this easier, but it made things harder in H-TOK... I had to create a separate bar that's identical to my current one except it has Blood Strike on it ( I could make a macro and I might do that instead ).
 

lupi

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I'm at about 20k, but given the mounts and stuff I need to buy I feel pretty poor.
Other than that epic I got the other day and a couple defias pieces from when I did the deadmine achievement, I don't do much ah activity. I also found an ace of elements as I went and did the mc attunement while in the area getting the elders and managed to snag 10g for that on the AH.


Speaking of original dungeons, short of MC/ZG, has any other locks had any trouble clearing them? When I went through part of strat for the elder, other than the health debuff if was pretty much a sleep walk.
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: lupi
Speaking of original dungeons, short of MC/ZG, has any other locks had any trouble clearing them? When I went through part of strat for the elder, other than the health debuff if was pretty much a sleep walk.

The disease that prevents health regeneration should be the only issue you have.
 

NaOH

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Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: DirthNader
Originally posted by: NaOH
I have most of the drops available to me from instances. How do I measure my DPS accurately in recount, I was just stating a number from the last time I had a recount from another party member so it might be wrong. I know I've done higher before and usually do pretty good on runs.

Recount will keep seperate logs for boss fights. Look at your typical DPS from tank-and-spank fights like you see in places such as UK. Trash DPS can be deceptive because AoE can inflate numbers. Some boss fights with gimmicks can lower DPS a good margin.

1400 on a heroic boss is solid DPS in the sense that three DPS players putting out those kinds of numbers will allow the group to clear everything with little problem. Less than that and you start to depend on the other members carrying you.

You may still get turned away from groups that are running heroics to farm badges and rep. These groups are trying to get through as quickly as possible, and to them 1400dps may mean going back to one hour clears as opposed to 30min clears.

DPS is very difficult to measure and highly dependent on those gimmicks, in my experience. This is from a warlock's perspective.

I've done 2800 dps on Archavon (I got lucky and only had to dodge bullshit once the whole fight), but some trash pulls I'm lucky to see 1100.

I'd really like to improve my burst/trash damage but running PUGs means you can't always trust the tank to have & hold aggro the way warlocks need them to. My reluctance to go wide open at the beginning of a CoS timed run led to us missing the timer by ~20-25 seconds. We had the infinite corruptor to ~30% when the timer ran out, he ran off and poofed.


So what is the easier Heroic I can try out once I get the rest of the gear I want through reg instances?
 

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I'm at 18k gold, and I refuse to pay for something that I know I can get for cheaper somewhere else. Same way in RL though, I don't go out and put $1000 on a cc for something.

I won't even enchant my gear if I know it is something that I will replace soon. An additional 10 dps isn't worth it for a weeks worth of use. I research the cost of mats in making something to see if I can make it cheaper by buying the mats and shouting for somebody to make them, or checking in guild.

And anybody who doesn't do a few dailies every day are IDIOTS. 30 minutes and you can make 100g EASY. Morons.
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: lupi
Speaking of original dungeons, short of MC/ZG, has any other locks had any trouble clearing them? When I went through part of strat for the elder, other than the health debuff if was pretty much a sleep walk.

The disease that prevents health regeneration should be the only issue you have.

at least when i go to scholo I won't have to tell people to stay away fro the green ones.....like I did after starting back up after a year off when I went back for my lock mount quest the second time around. damn noobs.
 

nanobreath

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WTH was that patch this morning. Only had time to glance at the patch notes before leaving for work, and they looked like the 3.0.8 patch notes all over again.
 

MustISO

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Originally posted by: nanobreath
WTH was that patch this morning. Only had time to glance at the patch notes before leaving for work, and they looked like the 3.0.8 patch notes all over again.

It's supposed to fix a few issues.


# The Hunter Aspect bug, in which aspects are on a global cooldown like mechanism.
# The Warlock Ritual of Summoning, which had a two minute cooldown implemented to prevent some sort of undisclosed exploit.
# Howling Blast, which showed to not have a cooldown, but in reality had a five second one.
 

Glayde

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I really wish they had left the meta gem transmutes on an alchemist timer. I made so much gold from that in TBC.

I ran 4 alchemist transmutes and 3 tailor cloth transmutes which ended being 300-800+ gold a day from the alchemists as well as 150g every 4 days from the cloth transmutes.

Over several months that really adds up.
Without playing the AH or doing dailies I went into Wrath with quite a bit of gold.

I just use all my tradeskill timers, and keep a nice steady influx of gold.
I also buy lots of materials/commodities when they're cheap, not neccesarily to resell but to use later myself.



 

DirthNader

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Originally posted by: NaOHSo what is the easier Heroic I can try out once I get the rest of the gear I want through reg instances?

Utgarde Keep is an easy heroic, and you've got a chance at an epic crossbow from Ingvar. The Nexus is also a pretty easy one with a good variety of loot.

Stay away from Azjol-Nerub and Old Kingdom. Both of those have dps checks in them and if the group wipes, your output will be the first thing they look at.

Originally posted by: nanobreath
And anybody who doesn't do a few dailies every day are IDIOTS. 30 minutes and you can make 100g EASY. Morons.

I did my Icecrown dailies (eight of them, non-group, from the airship) yesterday to cover repairs / consumables from Sunday nights Sarth attempts. Looted a BoE epic (Avool's Sword of Jin), so that should help over the repair bill for a while :p

Crafting can still bring in money. Like you I make sure to use my tailoring cooldowns, and the cloak recipes from Northrend Dungeonmaster and Northrend Loremaster have brought in some decent money. That said, I think in the end dailies are still the easiest money in the game.
 

Xavier434

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We first attempted Sarth last night with some drakes up. We decided to not bother trying with just one and went straight to two. Took us a few attempts but we were successful. The funny thing is that the fight really isn't hard as long as you got a geared up raid. The problem is that so many people are really spoiled at this point. There are no other encounters in the game right now where you really need to concentrate on a large number of things at once and if you forget one of them then you will probably die. Therefore, a lot of people are used to getting tunnel vision easier without negative consequence or they end up being really good at concentrating on one or two aspects while forgetting the others. I think it is a good thing though. I didn't have any problems with it personally, but there are a number of raiders in my guild that needed a challenging wake up call. ;)
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
We first attempted Sarth last night with some drakes up. We decided to not bother trying with just one and went straight to two. Took us a few attempts but we were successful. The funny thing is that the fight really isn't hard as long as you got a geared up raid. The problem is that so many people are really spoiled at this point. There are no other encounters in the game right now where you really need to concentrate on a large number of things at once and if you forget one of them then you will probably die. Therefore, a lot of people are used to getting tunnel vision easier without negative consequence or they end up being really good at concentrating on one or two aspects while forgetting the others. I think it is a good thing though. I didn't have any problems with it personally, but there are a number of raiders in my guild that needed a challenging wake up call. ;)

whats a void zone look like?
 

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Any other JCers out there getting a little annoyed? In the first month.. it was like a nonstop Gold Mine with rare cuts and even perfect cuts. I used to sell Bold and Runed scarlets for 200+ and Smooth Autumn's Glows for 180+. Now, I get more Auction Expired returns (DREAAAADDD) then before, with all these new "JCers" popping up and undercutting by like 50G!! It's almost not even worth my time to post auctions atm :/

Also.. looks like Blizzard put in the missing designs like Sovereign Twilight Opal... as WORLD BOE.. YUCCCCK

It's like Blizzard reallllly wants me to hate this game :/


/end rant

 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Xavier434
We first attempted Sarth last night with some drakes up. We decided to not bother trying with just one and went straight to two. Took us a few attempts but we were successful. The funny thing is that the fight really isn't hard as long as you got a geared up raid. The problem is that so many people are really spoiled at this point. There are no other encounters in the game right now where you really need to concentrate on a large number of things at once and if you forget one of them then you will probably die. Therefore, a lot of people are used to getting tunnel vision easier without negative consequence or they end up being really good at concentrating on one or two aspects while forgetting the others. I think it is a good thing though. I didn't have any problems with it personally, but there are a number of raiders in my guild that needed a challenging wake up call. ;)

whats a void zone look like?

Hehe. You know...I think the fight would have been a lot easier if those zones were a bright green instead of red. That way it sticks out amongst the environment and all of the other spells in the area.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Chimley
Any other JCers out there getting a little annoyed? In the first month.. it was like a nonstop Gold Mine with rare cuts and even perfect cuts. I used to sell Bold and Runed scarlets for 200+ and Smooth Autumn's Glows for 180+. Now, I get more Auction Expired returns (DREAAAADDD) then before, with all these new "JCers" popping up and undercutting by like 50G!! It's almost not even worth my time to post auctions atm :/

Also.. looks like Blizzard put in the missing designs like Sovereign Twilight Opal... as WORLD BOE.. YUCCCCK

It's like Blizzard reallllly wants me to hate this game :/


/end rant

theres always been undercutting but now its just gotten stupid. it happens for all things, i had a bunch of bags up for 100g which was the norm and then someone puts liek 20 up for 75 gold and someone else lists 15 for 50g :/

JC has stagnated because everyone allready has gems in their gera at this point, it prob wont pick back up untill the next tier/arena season. just start stockpileing
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Chimley
Any other JCers out there getting a little annoyed? In the first month.. it was like a nonstop Gold Mine with rare cuts and even perfect cuts. I used to sell Bold and Runed scarlets for 200+ and Smooth Autumn's Glows for 180+. Now, I get more Auction Expired returns (DREAAAADDD) then before, with all these new "JCers" popping up and undercutting by like 50G!! It's almost not even worth my time to post auctions atm :/

Also.. looks like Blizzard put in the missing designs like Sovereign Twilight Opal... as WORLD BOE.. YUCCCCK

It's like Blizzard reallllly wants me to hate this game :/


/end rant

theres always been undercutting but now its just gotten stupid. it happens for all things, i had a bunch of bags up for 100g which was the norm and then someone puts liek 20 up for 75 gold and someone else lists 15 for 50g :/

JC has stagnated because everyone allready has gems in their gera at this point, it prob wont pick back up untill the next tier/arena season. just start stockpileing

I think it is a good thing personally. People had way too much gold. Now it is being spent on really high priced things like mounts and the prices of goods across everything is being lowered due to competition and people with lighter wallets not willing to fork over as much cash as they were doing when WotLK first launched. I believe it will balance itself out and the problem we were having with inflation is getting under control. What we are seeing right at this moment is a transitional period. I wouldn't get upset until the dust settles first.
 

DirthNader

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Originally posted by: Anubis
whats a void zone look like?

For me, the big change was the urgency in identifying which side the lava walls are coming from. With no drakes up you can check and double check. With drakes up (and the resulting void zones spawning) you have a split second to look. Every one of my void zone deaths was caused by me taking too much time to check the lava walls.


Got my 4pT7.5 last night when a loot swap ticket finally went through, and went ahead and bough the dps caster ring with Valor badges. Realized they nerfed the Egg of Mortal Essence though, so that hurts.

Hoping we can get the three drake encounter down tonight. Question - roughly what percentage is Shadron at for you guys when Vesperon lands?

 

Aikouka

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Had a fairly legendary day last night :Q! I set up LFG on my DK for DTK and Nexus heroic and then saw someone looking for DPS for H-TOK. Well, I didn't really want to go on my Death Knight as there's nothing in there for me, but I wanted my Shaman to get the 16 expertise design. So he did that, we killed Volazj and went back for Jadoga and I get a message on my Death Knight to go to H-DTK... well, I can't pass up a shot at getting the Breastplate of Undeath from Novos! So I join up and hope that finding a healer takes longer. Yeah, it didn't... so I'm flying out to DTK and trying to do Jadoga at the same time (exciting :p).

We wiped three times or so on Trollgore and they asked what was the problem (and consequently ignored me when I said it was his consume and that we were at 20 stacks of it giving him +100% damage). But we killed him and then killed Novos (no chestpiece QQ). Then wiped twice on King Dred because of adds coming in, so then I self-appointed myself as off-tank to grab the raptors :p. We had no problem after that (we shouldn't have before, but whatever :p) and downed King Dred. So we get to Tharon'ja and start the fight. I sit there and watch people stand in the poison clouds half the time just shaking my head. I eventually say "don't stand in the poison" which no one seems to listen to :eek:. But a bit after a Return Flesh, the tank drops... oh noes spaghetti-o's. Being a Super Overpowered Death Knight, I hit Frost Presence and proceed to tank the boss in DPS gear from about 30% hp and we won'd! What I found amusing is how maybe 10 minutes before that I was contemplating removing a lot of the "tanking oriented" spells from my bar to make it neater... good thing I didn't! :Q

Oh and then I did Gundrak and Sladrahan is really annoying :eek:. I did end up getting the achievement for never getting wrapped though. The only issue I have on that fight is that it can be kind of hard to see that someone is wrapped when there's no announcement and there are a ton of snakes (so I get a lot of red enemy health bars on the screen that meld in with the snake wrap health bar).

I'm probably going to try more DTK to get the chestpiece and maybe some UK runs to get the pants off Ingvar... only negative aspect is that the pants will put me over the hit cap and I'll lose crit (which my crit is one of my poor aspects right now... I'm around 21-22%)

Originally posted by: DirthNader
Utgarde Keep is an easy heroic, and you've got a chance at an epic crossbow from Ingvar. The Nexus is also a pretty easy one with a good variety of loot.

Stay away from Azjol-Nerub and Old Kingdom. Both of those have dps checks in them and if the group wipes, your output will be the first thing they look at.

I donno... I've done TOK multiple times in groups with fairly "weak" DPS. First time I was the highest with 1900 (DK) and the lowest was around 1000. We did not wipe on Jadoga. The second time I was the highest with 1750 (Shaman) and the lowest was around 1500. We did not wipe on Jadoga, but she did enrage once. A single Enrage should be survivable if the person still has their CDs. TOK really isn't that bad and you could just skip Jadoga anyway.

Originally posted by: Beev
We did Sarth3D last night. I won the drake :D

Congrats :D.
 
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