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Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Also, for the record, I don't think there is anything wrong with living in EJ. If that makes the game fun for certain players then that's cool in my book. It is the players that feel that everyone who wants to raid should put in a great deal of effort like they do or there is something wrong with them. That kind of attitude bothers me.

I think you should at least understand what you should be doing. Whether you can tell me whether Weapon_A is better than Weapon_B for your current gear setup (when both are very close to each other) isn't as big of a deal for me as long as you're doing decently. I just don't think it's fair when someone wants to put in absolutely no effort yet loves to tag along and ride on the coattails of everyone else's effort.

Yes, you are speaking about the other side of the extreme which I also do not believe is appropriate. Raid invites should be based a lot (not entirely) on skill. I generally like that concept. You should know how to play your class and be prepared enough. However, I don't think everyone needs to come to the raid knowing everything they need to know about a boss encounter before they fight a boss. If you have time and wish to spend it researching strats then that is wonderful and if not then it is cool because it will be explained in game. If you have the skill then it won't take long for you to learn a new encounter and that's that. However, if you don't have the skill, research the strats, then odds are it will take you longer to master the encounter then the uninformed yet skilled player. It's all about freedom of choice while also doing a reasonable amount to pull your own weight. It is that definition of what is considered "reasonable" that people argue over though.
 

exdeath

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1) Don't stand in shit.
2) Don't stand in front of of the boss unless you are a tank.
3) If everyone else is moving, you should probably be moving with them.

That's the strat for every boss in WoW since Hogger.
 

Xindros

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Originally posted by: chalmers
Until Blizzard fixes the overpowered melee classes I refuse to PVP.

they really screwed up with pvp balance didn't they?

any word if cloth wearers are getting help anytime soon? not much fun being 2 or 3 shotted in battlegrounds or arenas with 600 resilience.
 

BenSkywalker

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In that case, I understand and agree mostly. Personally, I started running Naxx with mostly 77 blues and some 80 blues.

As a healer. Try that as a tank. Healing in WoW is by far the least gear dependant- not a bash in any way, I've seen plenty of healers in greens/blues trounce some of our epicd out healers by an embarassing amount(Skil>gear in general, but for healers skill>>>>>>>gear).

However, I don't think everyone needs to come to the raid knowing everything they need to know about a boss encounter before they fight a boss.

I personally never really understood this level of selfishness and general disrespect for others, so perhaps you can explain it- why should 24 other people be expected to wait around because one person couldn't be bothered to watch a 4 minute video? Why do they demand that everyone else learn the encounter and then spoon feed it to them? Who made us their slaves? What right do they have to expect anyone else to check the encounter out first?

That isn't a hardcore/casual issue, it is basic respect of other people.
 

ggnl

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Originally posted by: Xindros
Originally posted by: chalmers
Until Blizzard fixes the overpowered melee classes I refuse to PVP.

they really screwed up with pvp balance didn't they?

any word if cloth wearers are getting help anytime soon? not much fun being 2 or 3 shotted in battlegrounds or arenas with 600 resilience.

Don't forget there's an overpowered cloth class too... I mean you, mages!

But yeah, priests and locks, I feel your pain...literally, I play a ret pally.
 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: Xindros
Originally posted by: chalmers
Until Blizzard fixes the overpowered melee classes I refuse to PVP.

they really screwed up with pvp balance didn't they?

any word if cloth wearers are getting help anytime soon? not much fun being 2 or 3 shotted in battlegrounds or arenas with 600 resilience.

You mean locks and priests. Mages are tearing shit up right now. Hitting an arcane mage feels like hitting mail, while they hop around and annihilate you with instant casts.
 

Xindros

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: Xindros
Originally posted by: chalmers
Until Blizzard fixes the overpowered melee classes I refuse to PVP.

they really screwed up with pvp balance didn't they?

any word if cloth wearers are getting help anytime soon? not much fun being 2 or 3 shotted in battlegrounds or arenas with 600 resilience.

You mean locks and priests. Mages are tearing shit up right now. Hitting an arcane mage feels like hitting mail, while they hop around and annihilate you with instant casts.

yes mages have always had high survivability. many tools to get away while dealing constant burst damage.

i tried a quick scan of the official forums and didn't notice any reduction to overall dps or any sort of major buffs to the other troubled classes. has anyone heard anything? or should i save time and cancel / reroll?
 

Anubis

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they have acknowledged that mele is kinda nuts right now but thats about it, i stopped checking doubt any changes will happen before 3.1 anyway which im still guessing will be in march
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: Chimley
Originally posted by: lupi
just saw a gnome with the twilight drake, so someone on the alliance side has done the /with 3 drakes alive game over dude.


The Alliance Guild is "Dude its a game". They're Alliance "Second". Dark Entropy got first, and we xferred off immediatly afterwards :D

lol, I didn't mean that as there name/guess at there name, but the movie line for completing the current wow content :)
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: ggnl
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Malladine
Started again...playing a priest now, in fact i started this guy at release... Level 63 now though.

Can I get an idea what's still useful from TBC since WoTLK came out? IE, honored blue gear from honor hold, cenarion expedition, etc...aldor/scryer? anything there? Or will it prove pointless since i'll be seeing serious upgrades to all of it right away in Northrend?

nothing is worth grinding out, just take whatever quest rewards are upgrades on your way through to 80

And go straight to Northrend as soon as you can get the quests there (lvl 68 I think). Don't wait to finish out BC content unless you just want to see it for some reason.

going straight to NR not really the best thing. NR items aren't going to be that OP compared to the old world>>BC switch. i wouldn't worry too much about outland group quest or long chains that require a lot of fedex'in around, but by doing all of outland before NR you will be fighting a lot more green mobs in NR, and therefore ones that die quicker. Also you will hit 80 with more NR content left since you won't hit the 70 barrier in outland allowing you to cash in on that many more xp>>gold quest in NR.
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: Xindros
Originally posted by: chalmers
Until Blizzard fixes the overpowered melee classes I refuse to PVP.

they really screwed up with pvp balance didn't they?

any word if cloth wearers are getting help anytime soon? not much fun being 2 or 3 shotted in battlegrounds or arenas with 600 resilience.

nope, and from the last post from blizz on it they are still holding to the resilience will solve all evils approach.
 

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Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: ggnl
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Malladine
Started again...playing a priest now, in fact i started this guy at release... Level 63 now though.

Can I get an idea what's still useful from TBC since WoTLK came out? IE, honored blue gear from honor hold, cenarion expedition, etc...aldor/scryer? anything there? Or will it prove pointless since i'll be seeing serious upgrades to all of it right away in Northrend?

nothing is worth grinding out, just take whatever quest rewards are upgrades on your way through to 80

And go straight to Northrend as soon as you can get the quests there (lvl 68 I think). Don't wait to finish out BC content unless you just want to see it for some reason.

going straight to NR not really the best thing. NR items aren't going to be that OP compared to the old world>>BC switch. i wouldn't worry too much about outland group quest or long chains that require a lot of fedex'in around, but by doing all of outland before NR you will be fighting a lot more green mobs in NR, and therefore ones that die quicker. Also you will hit 80 with more NR content left since you won't hit the 70 barrier in outland allowing you to cash in on that many more xp>>gold quest in NR.

I disagree. It takes half of the experience per level for 69 and 70 as it does for 71. With both borean tundra and howling fjord being 68-70 in level, as long as you wait till level 68 (which is when you can start doing quests in northrend) and do both the starting zones you will still be way ahead of the leveling curve. On both my lock and my warrior, I hit 77 after finishing howling fjord, borean, and dragonsblight. That would easily put somebody that hit northrend at 68 at a minimum of lvl 75 (and more likely at 76) with these zones.

Gearwise it WILL be an upgrade going to northrend at 68, but nowhere near the upgrade that BC was. Few things make the rewards worthwhile, first they are equivalent of questing out in netherstorm. Second the rewards are lined up so you upgrade the better pieces of gear in the first 5 quests, primarily your weapon. I know my brother on his druid doubled his feral attack power he had on his staff on that first reward, and I increased the DPS on my mainhand weapon by over 20.

The zones are much easier to get around in than the lvl 70 zones in BC. You will level faster just because you can move between point A and B much quicker because youre not in zones that were intended to be run with a flying mount. Also, since the quests are a little bit higher level, you will also get more experience per quest, without the added difficulty. If you are really worried, do the first 20 quests or so in Borean Tundra, then go do Howling Fjord. Nothing says you have to fully complete one zone before going to the next.
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: ggnl
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Malladine
Started again...playing a priest now, in fact i started this guy at release... Level 63 now though.

Can I get an idea what's still useful from TBC since WoTLK came out? IE, honored blue gear from honor hold, cenarion expedition, etc...aldor/scryer? anything there? Or will it prove pointless since i'll be seeing serious upgrades to all of it right away in Northrend?

nothing is worth grinding out, just take whatever quest rewards are upgrades on your way through to 80

And go straight to Northrend as soon as you can get the quests there (lvl 68 I think). Don't wait to finish out BC content unless you just want to see it for some reason.

exactly... my DK was running around TBC zones with some 2h sword that did 64dps (which killed pretty fast)... I run into Northrend at level 68 and within the first 5 quests I have a new green sword that did 110dps. Keep in mind though, you'll need that if you are 2 levels under the typical mob. :D Anyway, even in Borean, the green gear you get is a substantial upgrade (armor & stats in general) at level 68.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: ggnl
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Malladine
Started again...playing a priest now, in fact i started this guy at release... Level 63 now though.

Can I get an idea what's still useful from TBC since WoTLK came out? IE, honored blue gear from honor hold, cenarion expedition, etc...aldor/scryer? anything there? Or will it prove pointless since i'll be seeing serious upgrades to all of it right away in Northrend?

nothing is worth grinding out, just take whatever quest rewards are upgrades on your way through to 80

And go straight to Northrend as soon as you can get the quests there (lvl 68 I think). Don't wait to finish out BC content unless you just want to see it for some reason.

exactly... my DK was running around TBC zones with some 2h sword that did 64dps... I run into Northrend at level 68 and within the first 5 quests I have a new green sword that did 110dps.


you didnt do Ring of Blood in Negrand then did you? Its like a free 100k EXP and a big wep upgrade at 65

I had an 80 DK guildie solo it for me lol
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: Anubis
you didnt do Ring of Blood in Negrand then did you? Its like a free 100k EXP and a big wep upgrade at 65

I had an 80 DK guildie solo it for me lol

That I did not. Leveling TBC is much faster now so I went to Nagrand at 66-67. Looking now, it would've only been 81.5dps sword anyway. ;) I was thinking it required a chain first so I never even looked there. I finished up to the Ultimate Bloodsport (which for a 3-man quest, it wasn't that hard for a DK to solo ;))... couldn't find a group for Durn, at all. Anyway, I finished Nagrand and did 2 quests in Blade's Edge, dinged 68... and off to Northrend I went.
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: Anubis
yea i soloed everything in negrand on my DK except Durn. Blood spec is just OP when you pop cooldowns

I went unholy... lots of dots and 2 helpers. SCT-damage goes nuts scrolling past. ;) I was really tempted to go Blood at 70 (70.5 now) but I really didn't want to lose the ability to AOE for faster leveling. Deathstrike (with 2 plagues applied & pestilence) heals enough that there is no downtime while doing it either.

How does Blood play? Is it single-target but quick kills while keeping max health? I had enough of my rogue... hope it's not like that.
 

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Originally posted by: ggnl
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Malladine
Started again...playing a priest now, in fact i started this guy at release... Level 63 now though.

Can I get an idea what's still useful from TBC since WoTLK came out? IE, honored blue gear from honor hold, cenarion expedition, etc...aldor/scryer? anything there? Or will it prove pointless since i'll be seeing serious upgrades to all of it right away in Northrend?

nothing is worth grinding out, just take whatever quest rewards are upgrades on your way through to 80

And go straight to Northrend as soon as you can get the quests there (lvl 68 I think). Don't wait to finish out BC content unless you just want to see it for some reason.

Yep, as someone who just leveled a fresh character up from scratch on a new account, this is the way to do it. I went to Howling Fjord at 68, did all the quests there and got to 70 or 71, then went back to Borean Tundra and did all those quests.

Also, keep in mind that most 3-man group quests are very soloable by a lot of classes if you know what you're doing. There are a few quests here and there that will tear you up, but as a feral druid (very good solo class), I was able to solo the vast majority of 3-man quests, and usually at least a level or two below the boss. Ended up with a good amount of blues and I've been tearing everything up.

Two other quick notes for someone starting from scratch. First: if you want to make cash, just do quests and don't worry about farming, either grinding mobs or running around with a gathering profession. The quests will take you all over the zones so if you've got either mining or herbalism you'll see plenty of nodes along the way. Just mail it to your bank alt and dump it on the AH. The quests usually give 10-20 gold each, so it's pretty common to leave a quest hub a few hundred gold richer are you've done them all.

Second: don't be afraid of buying WotLK greens from the AH. The item levels on even the level 67 greens from the expansion are really pretty high, so if you've just got gear from BC, it's pretty common to find a green "... of the Bandit" item or whatever from the AH that blows away the BC blue you got just a few levels earlier.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: Anubis
yea i soloed everything in negrand on my DK except Durn. Blood spec is just OP when you pop cooldowns

I went unholy... lots of dots and 2 helpers. SCT-damage goes nuts scrolling past. ;) I was really tempted to go Blood at 70 (70.5 now) but I really didn't want to lose the ability to AOE for faster leveling. Deathstrike (with 2 plagues applied & pestilence) heals enough that there is no downtime while doing it either.

How does Blood play? Is it single-target but quick kills while keeping max health? I had enough of my rogue... hope it's not like that.

yes basicially you are never at less then 75% health 1-2 mobs at a time,
 

Aikouka

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I pushed and pushed and got my mage to 77 last night. It's so nice to be flying again :).

Originally posted by: Anubis
you didnt do Ring of Blood in Negrand then did you? Its like a free 100k EXP and a big wep upgrade at 65

I had an 80 DK guildie solo it for me lol

As Alliance (and if you're smart and rolled Human), the sword from Halaa is better. As Horde, the Honed Voidaxe is obviously better (since if you're smart, you rolled an Orc).

Originally posted by: Anubis
yea i soloed everything in negrand on my DK except Durn. Blood spec is just OP when you pop cooldowns

I got Durn to 70% on beta (solo)... but I didn't try at all on live. I could've easily beat him though since I have healers at my beck and call (being that I have a resto druid on one account and a holy priest on another :p). But soloing him is more about luck than anything... the more crits you can get on Death Strike, the longer you last. I also believe I had no glyphs on beta (so no overpowered Death Strike glyph).

Originally posted by: ggnl
And go straight to Northrend as soon as you can get the quests there (lvl 68 I think). Don't wait to finish out BC content unless you just want to see it for some reason.

Ugh, I hate 68s in Northrend so much. They all think they can go into any instance they want regardless of the fact that the bosses are orange to them. They end up becoming worthless and I hate worthless party members.

I always go to Northrend at 70... but all of my characters but my Death Knight were 70 before WotLK came out anyway :p.
 
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