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Anubis

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V-sync is supposed to help if you have "tearing" issues. Basically sometimes you'll see your screen with a slight tear in it, meaning that the picture is in the middle of a refresh when the monitor re-displays its next frame. What v-sync does is sync up the refresh from the graphics card to the monitor, allowing for a smoother image.

V-sync has issues though if you're playing a game that really stresses the video card to it's limit, since if the signal from the video card is below 60 fps, it knocks it down to 30 fps, or if it's below 30 fps, drops it to 15 fps. Most of the areas within WoW though work great with any modern video card, so I usually leave it enabled as I typically get in the 150+ fps in most areas.

what resolution do you play at to get 150 FPS because that is pretty much determining factor for FPS at this point in wow
 
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Moonzi

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V-sync is supposed to help if you have "tearing" issues. Basically sometimes you'll see your screen with a slight tear in it, meaning that the picture is in the middle of a refresh when the monitor re-displays its next frame. What v-sync does is sync up the refresh from the graphics card to the monitor, allowing for a smoother image.

V-sync has issues though if you're playing a game that really stresses the video card to it's limit, since if the signal from the video card is below 60 fps, it knocks it down to 30 fps, or if it's below 30 fps, drops it to 15 fps. Most of the areas within WoW though work great with any modern video card, so I usually leave it enabled as I typically get in the 150+ fps in most areas.

Yeah I have a HIS 5770 and with it off get around 100 fps in dalaran. Thanks!
 

Aikouka

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also what are you putting together

Here's a list...


PSU: PC Power and Cooling PPCT860 860W
GFX: XFX HD-587A-ZNF9 Radeon HD 5870
CHA: SILVERSTONE Fortress Series FT02B Black
HSF: ZALMAN CNPS9900 NT 120mm
CPU: Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 Quad-Core
HDD: Western Digital VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS 300GB 10000 RPM
SSD: Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD
SSD: Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD
OpS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
MoB: ASUS P7P55D-E Premium LGA 1156 Intel P55
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (4 x 2GB) DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
DVD: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner

The current design is to treat one SSD simply as a boot + some applications drive. The other SSD will be for the game I'm currently playing, which by design was WoW. The reason I split them is because I tend to do a lot in the OS and other applications while I'm playing WoW. To avoid the possibility of disk access clashes between the two aspects of computing, I simply split their disks.

The raptor is for any game that doesn't go on the SSD and any sort of application that I don't care about. It will also most likely hold my pagefile.

Unfortunately, I'll be getting everything but the power supply, video card and case tomorrow, so I'll just get to stare at them for the weekend.
 

Anubis

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Save money and just get a WD black 500 or 1TB and not the Vraptor you wont notice the difference and itll save you money and earplugs

im not a fan of the case but thats just me
 
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Aikouka

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Oh, I forgot to add that I'm putting a 1TB drive from my current PC into it as a pure storage drive (which is what it's being used for now).

The point of the VelociRaptor is to have a good gaming drive without having to spend an ass-ton on a very large SSD.

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It's a weird setup to split things up so much, but I'm giving it a shot.
 
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just get a intel 80gb ssd and 1tb drive for data.i use the intel for a trimmed down windows and wow and wizard 101 for my daughter and still have half the drive left.
 

Aikouka

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just get a intel 80gb ssd and 1tb drive for data.i use the intel for a trimmed down windows and wow and wizard 101 for my daughter and still have half the drive left.

The reason why I split those is because I tend to do a lot of OS-related actions while playing WoW, so to avoid any possible slowdowns because of this, I separated it. It may or may not even be worthwhile to do this... I may only see a 5% boost at the best, but meh :p. If so, I could always use the one SSD to upgrade my laptop instead.

I'm actually planning on upgrading my laptop with a SSD, Windows 7 and a newer wireless card (I got a shitty Dell one... stupid me). The upgrades will increase my laptop's speed by quite a bit given it currently has a 250GB 5400 RPM HDD right now. The network transfer rates also ought to improve since right now its terribly slow that I transfer my WoW settings files (zipped up in a 140mb file) via thumb drive because it's faster that way.

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Trying to find a ranged on BQL to bite is such a pain. So many gnome warlocks.

Oh and we had one of our Pally healers use Righteous Fury for the damage reduction... and he ended up getting the first bite because of his high threat lol.
 
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Anubis

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One you get that all up and running im gonna be real curious if you see any benefit from running wow off a SSD vs a Normal HDD, Other then the SSDs your build isn't much different then what mine is going to be provided my CPU ever fucking arrives

getting tired of looking at all the parts but the CPU
 

Aikouka

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One you get that all up and running im gonna be real curious if you see any benefit from running wow off a SSD vs a Normal HDD, Other then the SSDs your build isn't much different then what mine is going to be provided my CPU ever fucking arrives

getting tired of looking at all the parts but the CPU

Where'd you buy it from that's causing it to take so long?

I'm thinking the real benefit won't be seen as much while fighting a boss. WoW does do quite a decent amount of loading while moving around the world (especially on a fast flying mount), but there shouldn't be too much once you're fighting a single mob in a room with little happening. I'm not sure how much loading occurs during a fight if other things are involved as the game could be smart and preload these.

I did notice that the CPU I chose did a rather poor job on an Anandtech WoW Windows 7 gaming benchmark. Well, it was actually the model that's a step higher did pretty poorly, but that should reflect on how well mine will do. The problem is... there's another article where it compares the same i7 870 CPU and it performs a lot better.

You'll notice that the first benchmark has the 8xx series doing significantly worse and the second one has it competing for the top spot. There's no note whether the first benchmark has Turbo Mode activated, but the second one specifically states it does.

I guess I'll have to find out how well it does, but I'm assuming it will be better than my current Q6600 and I'm most likely going to turn off Turbo Mode and just overclock it. My motherboard is supposed to be very good for overclocking and hell... it literally overclocks and stability tests for you!
 

Anubis

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Without knowing exactly when they are doing to get their numbers form WoW id take those benches with a grain of salt. I see 50+ FPS swings taking the zepp from Org to Northrend on my current setup.

The 860 will preform like a 920 of similar speed for the most part. even when OCing the performance should be close

as for my CPU i didn't order it online I had my sister go to microcenter for me and buy it and then mail it to me because it was 100$ cheaper and she lives 10 min from one where the closest one to me is that same one at 7 or so hours away
 

Aikouka

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Without knowing exactly when they are doing to get their numbers form WoW id take those benches with a grain of salt. I see 50+ FPS swings taking the zepp from Org to Northrend on my current setup.

The 860 will preform like a 920 of similar speed for the most part. even when OCing the performance should be close

It is kind of hard to benchmark WoW given that you can't really keep anything constant. The biggest frame rate reducer that I find is the particle effect system and especially fire effects. I recall being in Hellfire Peninsula during TBC, and whenever the fire would erupt from the ground, I'd drop in FPS by a decent amount. I'd imagine the water effects coming in Cataclysm won't help this any bit either.

But yeah, I notice a lot of slowdown during a fight when the warlocks are tossin' their incinerates and such since that creates a fire splash effect when it hits.

as for my CPU i didn't order it online I had my sister go to microcenter for me and buy it and then mail it to me because it was 100$ cheaper and she lives 10 min from one where the closest one to me is that same one at 7 or so hours away

Ah, and I hope she didn't decide to send it via the post office or something to that effect. Although, priority mail certainly isn't bad since it's 2-3 day delivery on a flat rate box.

I'm still trying to choose my monitors though. I like the 27" UltraSharps, but I've never actually seen one in person and I'm wondering a bit more if they're going to simply be too large. I could always go with two 24" monitors instead.

I've also been looking at new mice and keyboards and I simply cannot find anything that I actually like. I'm contemplating the Logitech G500 mouse, but all the reviews I read simply say, "this is similar to, but not as good as the old Logitech G5" and the Logitech G5 is what I'm using right now (and prefer). I'm using an old style G15 keyboard, which has served me quite well for about 3 years now. I've seen the G19, but reviews seem to be kind of mixed on it.
 

Anubis

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I have 2 25.2 in Asus LCDs that i can show you for reference on physical size, they are huge to put it plainly and 27s would be bigger

at this point i'm curious if shes mailed it all. if its not here tom im calling her and if its still at her house its road trip time
 

lupi

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Cataclysm rumours/info now in PC Gamer UK VERY BIG Spoilers
In the latest issue of PC Gamer (UK) is a 6 page article named '50 reasons to play Catalysm'. The vast majority of what is covered is already known/confirmed, however, there appears to be verifcation of certain rumours first made here on MMO-champion in the days before Blizzcon but that were never confirmed nor denied.

Just a note on the source before everyone starts screaming for links for scans. I don't have any, nor would I post them if I had them. The proof however can be found in the highstreet shops of the UK in issue 212 of PC Gamer UK (April edition).
• Note #1 Important - The guys from PC Gamer were kind enough to give me a few more information on that. The article is NOT officially endorsed by Blizzard and is mostly the result of their own work, that means that a small part of speculation is involved. Just keep in mind that we're talking about people who interviewed developers in the past and who sell thousands of magazines each month.
• Note #2 - If you missed it (... really?) you can still read the original World of Warcraft Cataclysm post. And you might want to check the Cairne Bloodhoof Quest Changes from the 3.3.3 PTRs.
• Note #3 - Yep, I totally stole the introduction of the post from Donbar's original post on the forums. And I'll probably steal the rest below.

Warchief of the Horde
• Thrall will become the next Guardian of Tirisfal. However, Thrall will merely 'leave Garrosh in charge' though this does not stop Garrosh from declaring war on the Alliance and fortifying Horde outposts and cities.Inner-Horde relations
• After assuming command of the Horde, Garrosh labels Cairne a traitor and executes the Tauren Leader. However, this does not seem to be the end of his involvement in Cataclysm and his seeming demise is linked to the greener, lusher Desolace.
• Garrosh will throw out most of the Blood Elves and Forsaken from Orgrimmar.

Deepholme
• It is possible that the Alliance and Horde will be involved in a major battle within Deepholm.
• Airships will battle in the gigantic caverns al a Icecrown style.
• The area will also cater for flying mounts.Raids and Dungeons
• Cataclysm will ship with 8 Heroic Dungeons (not including Deadmines and Shadowfang) and 4 Raid encounters.
• The Skywall will contain a raid with Al'Akir as the end boss.
• Grim Batol and Uldum raid will patched in post-launch.

Other
• Harrison Jones has returned with his friends and is linked to the Archaeology profession.
• One of the new features included in the guild interface/mechanics system is a Looking For Guild function.


Frozen Orbs Greed/Need rolls in 3.3
Quote from: Wryxian (Source)
Yeah it just takes one person to press Need after everyone's pressed Greed on the Frozen Orbs and you miss out. But the good news is that in patch 3.3.3 this won't be the case anymore -- the roll for Frozen Orbs will be an automatic Greed roll. Rejoice!
 

lupi

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I wish I had one of those damn microcenters around here. My primary is running a q9900 with a 280gtx and secondary is on an e6600 with an 8800gt. My third which i use with the primary for browsing and quest lookups is an old dell xps. Mainly I need to get a cheap i7 and a new vid card to upgrade the 8800gt in the secondary and I can start the upgrade chain process.
 

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The reason why I split those is because I tend to do a lot of OS-related actions while playing WoW, so to avoid any possible slowdowns because of this, I separated it. It may or may not even be worthwhile to do this... I may only see a 5% boost at the best, but meh :p. If so, I could always use the one SSD to upgrade my laptop instead.

I'm actually planning on upgrading my laptop with a SSD, Windows 7 and a newer wireless card (I got a shitty Dell one... stupid me). The upgrades will increase my laptop's speed by quite a bit given it currently has a 250GB 5400 RPM HDD right now. The network transfer rates also ought to improve since right now its terribly slow that I transfer my WoW settings files (zipped up in a 140mb file) via thumb drive because it's faster that way.

EDIT:

Trying to find a ranged on BQL to bite is such a pain. So many gnome warlocks.

Oh and we had one of our Pally healers use Righteous Fury for the damage reduction... and he ended up getting the first bite because of his high threat lol.

Seriously dude with one of those Intel's you won't notice a difference versus having it split like that. That's just overkill, it would be easier to simply buy one 160 GB drive and put the OS and all of your games in there, then use the big regular drive for storage.
 

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My guild did Festergut and Rotface last night, I tried a few new tweaks and hit 6700 dps on Festergut. It's nice to finally be getting higher up there. I noticed as a shadowpriest that if I constantly just spam devouring plague when moving from the spot I normally stand to where they gather the spores it allows me to keep up my damage using the instant damage portion of the spell.

We seem to be stuck now on Dreamwalker and we're having a heck of a time forming the correct strategy for this encounter. I know, we're noobs, etc. but seriously does anybody have some advice on this encounter? What we've tried so far is to have one group in the back, one in the front, for dps'ing down the adds, with one tank on each side. The problem seems to be there is this huge slow area which makes getting to the burning skeletons really hard. We tried a right / left attempt as well, which went better but we still just weren't keeping up.

I think it may partially be the healers failing, since on one occasion after 5 minutes the dragon was still not even healed to 70% when we wiped.
 

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You should have as many healers are possible during that fight. We up it to 7 healers and 1 shot it no problem in my guild now. You should have people interupting the guys who slow people. My group has the hunters kiting the Zombies until they die. The supressors should be top dps priority at all times, followed by the blazing skeletons. After those two, the other guys aren't nearly as bad. Your healers entering the portals should never let their stacks fall off. Before our healers got used to that, it would cause us to get over run everytime.
 

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One you get that all up and running im gonna be real curious if you see any benefit from running wow off a SSD vs a Normal HDD, Other then the SSDs your build isn't much different then what mine is going to be provided my CPU ever fucking arrives

getting tired of looking at all the parts but the CPU


Same here, we have very similar builds so please let us know asap how it runs off an ssd
 
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