AT World of Warcraft Thread (Cataclysm, Where do you play, General BS and all that)

[Dominato3r]

What is the minimum ilvl to start raiding? and what would be the first raid someone should step into?

I've been awfully slow with this expansion.

 

[guyver01]

What is the minimum ilvl to start raiding? and what would be the first raid someone should step into?

at 85.. my gf's guild requires a 4000 minimum wowheroes gearscore.

Bastion of Twilight is the entry level raid.

 

[Pantlegz]

What is the minimum ilvl to start raiding? and what would be the first raid someone should step into?

I've been awfully slow with this expansion.

343ish is the bare minimum I'd invite anyone to a raid, I prefer closer to 350 though. BWD is pretty easy, as is TB. Oh and Baradin Hold is easily pugable, although it typically drops pvp shit.

 

[Aikouka]

still easier than BRC to me as far as PUGs go! G'damnit couldn't get past Corla cause we have noobs in there who can't grasp the concept of watching debuffs. That and the fact that melee have a hard time dpsing while in the beam, the chances of even having knowledgeable ranged doing the job make it a smaller chance of success.

You can skip Corla if the PUG is that bad. In fact, the only required bosses are fat ogre and Obsidius.

 

[rh71]

You can skip Corla if the PUG is that bad. In fact, the only required bosses are fat ogre and Obsidius.

good point... I was on my 40-minute queue rogue and the tank left first... then a dps and healer... so it was me and hunter... then the hunter left... and I tried to see if I can re-queue without the 40-minute thing (we could if it was still a party)... I queued BRC on purpose for Steelbender's dagger but now it wouldn't let me queue BRC at all - said I was locked out. Now I can't do it anymore today.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Anyone leveling around the low to mid 50's or willing to bring me in? I'm on a trial right now but I'm considering picking up my sub to carry me until ToR or Rift drops probably. I've seen the light and decided to come back to pc gaming. My main is a level 52 NE Hunter on Ravencrest named Demonhunter....yeah I played a long time ago, and yeah I played a good bit of WC3:FT.

 

[randomrogue]

What is the minimum ilvl to start raiding? and what would be the first raid someone should step into?

I've been awfully slow with this expansion.

Depends on your experience and those around you. You pretty much have to get your health above 100K or else you'll just die all night long. You really should get into full 346 and better gear. The first boss(es) in each instance are pretty easy. Take your pick from any of them. Halfus has a ton of trash so you're probably better off starting in Blackwing Descent. Magmaw is a great first choice. You can do 4 winds but Al'akir blows (literally) and the gear that drops there is terrible.

Magmaw
Omnitron
4 Winds
Maliorak
Halfus

Fabulous Dragons
Chimaeron
Atramedes
Council

Cho'gall
Nef
Al'akir

That's my suggestion on 25 man at least.

 

[Anubis]

id start with Halfus, his trash is not that hard and has a extremely large chance of dropping BOE epics

you also only have to kill 1/2 of that first room, you can just do 1 side

 

[blurredvision]

id start with Halfus, his trash is not that hard and has a extremely large chance of dropping BOE epics

you also only have to kill 1/2 of that first room, you can just do 1 side

I kept hearing how the trash in BoT was hard but didn't really find it any more difficult than some heroic pulls. I've been noticing a LOT of BoT trash run pugs on my server lately, too, so you must be right about the large drop chance. In my guild's first run Wednesday night, a 359 leather helm dropped that our rogue got and equipped.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

I kept hearing how the trash in BoT was hard but didn't really find it any more difficult than some heroic pulls. I've been noticing a LOT of BoT trash run pugs on my server lately, too, so you must be right about the large drop chance. In my guild's first run Wednesday night, a 359 leather helm dropped that our rogue got and equipped.

It's not hard. We farm it with 7 people and we can't even manage to down magmaw......

 

[xCxStylex]

Wow just wow. This week, we took our 10man and our other guild's 10 man, combined them together, grab a few non-regular raiders, and did 25 man raids.

I just wanted to say that 25 man raids are EASY AS PISS AND A FUCKING JOKE if you know what you're doing, and what's funny is you don't even need 25 people.

You can have 21-24 people, 3-4 of which aren't regular raiders, have 3-4-5-6 people die during the fights, and still beat encounters. There's sooooo much leeway for failure and retards... It's absurdly stupid since in a 10man, raid, if one or two people were dead, that was most likely a wipe since you'd lack sufficient DPS or healing.

Also, there are many fights where spell interrupts are very important. If your interrupt rotation is missed, one person is too slow, or even worse, misses because they lack hit, it can greatly impact your raid, e.g. a lot of AOE damage that needs to be healed up. In 25mans, you're sure to have way more than enough interrupts. So far that I've seen, the only encounter that has scaled in difficulty is that there are three gravity crushes on the council in 25mans as opposed to one for 10mans.

Proportionally more loot for an easier encounter should not be the case. More loot for an encounter of similar or greater difficulty would be acceptable.

Good job blizzard.



Also.. Any other PVPers here?

The 2200 weapons weren't released this week, jewing over us pvpers because most PVE progress is not as far as 372 yet in the USA.

A guy from my realm, Tichondrius, developed a database site for people that are highly rated in rated battlegrounds. http://www.conquestwow.com
After manually adding your name to the database, it then queries the official b.net site for your rating.

There was also an IRC channel #rated on gamesurge, because we were hoping that high level teams could queue up and face each other, as opposed to having the matchmaking system give us retarded games.


Last night, after waiting 20 minutes in queue, our 1800~ avg rated team faced a 44 and another sub 100 team. The lowbies in our group gained one point, and everyone else gained nothing. We were playing late at night, 12am-2am PST, but I hardly ever see oceanic groups anymore. Matchmaking is seriously bad. Also, it's buggy as hell too, I've had a few games where we won the game but received losses and lost rating. One game specifically, we won the game, I ranked up (was like the 1700 ranking or whatever), and then we received a loss and my rating was 1688 or something like that. lol GG BLIZZURD


/rant off

 

[Anubis]

yea rated BGs are buggy as fuck, the getting a loss when winning thing has been happening since release. its actually hard to understand how that even happens from a coding pov
if win = yes:give points

is not that hard

and yes 25 mans are a total joke compared to 10s, um until that hotfix the other day 2 10 man HMs were impossible. everything had the same HP and came at the same frequency as on 25, but you had 15 less people to deal with it all

its quite comicial we are 4/12 Hm 10 man and ranked 6th in the US, i think the top 10 only guild is 6/12 who most likely door exploited atramedies

 

[Moonzi]

need a resto druid

we just started our 10 man group two weeks ago, it's an older crew who only really want to raid 6 hours a week and asked me to join. We're not doing terrible (not great either) think we're 7 or 8 out of 12? I enjoy the 10 man being harder though.

 

[RatboyX]

My guild is almost set to start 10 man. Not this weekend but likely next. We actually could go now, based on gear score, but we have a few of our main raiders on vacation.

Got my Raptor mount from archeology this week looks pretty cool. Could have had it sooner but I only do Archeology to wind down after a BG or difficult instance run.

 

[RatboyX]

lemme guess it was all hunter loot

whats wrong with Hunter loot ?

LOL. Our Druid/Raid leader is always telling us that "it's ALL Druid Loot"

 

[blurredvision]

whats wrong with Hunter loot ?

I'm guessing he's a hunter and his stuff never drops.

 

[guyver01]

BAD is a valid playstyle

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1921988874

 

[Anubis]

I'm guessing he's a hunter and his stuff never drops.

no im a lock and cloth never drops all we ever see is hunter and druid shit

 

[coloumb]

Man..I sure am enjoying soloing the WOTLK dungeons on my prot pally or blood dk [haven't tried with my shadow priest yet] - I can't believe how low the health of the mobs are compared to now.

Must be a sign that I'm already bored with the game once again...

 

[Pantlegz]

Man..I sure am enjoying soloing the WOTLK dungeons on my prot pally or blood dk [haven't tried with my shadow priest yet] - I can't believe how low the health of the mobs are compared to now.

Must be a sign that I'm already bored with the game once again...

I'm getting bored with it too, heroics are no longer difficult, did H Grim last night and didn't bother CC'ing anything and pretty much chain pulled everything. Raiding is still fun but it's only 2 night a week :/ oh well I have better things to do with my time anyway.

 

[Aikouka]

Gotta love it when you're doing Anraphet and you (as the tank) get dropped to 15k hp max and he's only at 20% HP....

EDIT:

Turns out I can hax the fight by using Divine Shield to remove the health reduction debuff!

 

[Moonzi]

Someone needs to sell a damn Heartbound Tome already on Mannoroth Horde side, tired of it being the only World Drop BoE that's never for sale.

 

[randomrogue]

I just wanted to say that 25 man raids are EASY AS PISS AND A FUCKING JOKE if you know what you're doing, and what's funny is you don't even need 25 people.

You can have 21-24 people, 3-4 of which aren't regular raiders, have 3-4-5-6 people die during the fights, and still beat encounters. There's sooooo much leeway for failure and retards... It's absurdly stupid since in a 10man, raid, if one or two people were dead, that was most likely a wipe since you'd lack sufficient DPS or healing.

Also, there are many fights where spell interrupts are very important. If your interrupt rotation is missed, one person is too slow, or even worse, misses because they lack hit, it can greatly impact your raid, e.g. a lot of AOE damage that needs to be healed up. In 25mans, you're sure to have way more than enough interrupts. So far that I've seen, the only encounter that has scaled in difficulty is that there are three gravity crushes on the council in 25mans as opposed to one for 10mans.

Proportionally more loot for an easier encounter should not be the case. More loot for an encounter of similar or greater difficulty would be acceptable.

Good job blizzard.

I've done one boss on 10 man and 12 on 25 man. This much I can say : The beginning bosses are VERY easy for a competent group. I think we 20 manned Magmaw with friends in there for our first kill in blues/greens. However, this isn't supposed to be challenging. Later on when you get to Cho'gall or Nef you aren't going to 20 man w/ friends your first kill. We didn't have enough DPS for Cho'gall our first week in there and had to come back the next week with an additional 40K dps before it was doable.

As far as interrupts, this is one of the problems I have with 10 mans. Not with the 10 man content, but with 10 man guilds. They whine about how it's so hard for them with only 1 interrupt when they're simply choosing to not run more. 25 man guilds don't just set out with 25 players and kill bosses. We have 30-32 players, lots of offspecs, and rotate as needed. A 10 man guild can make their life infinitely easier if they follow the same model, ie. don't go in with 10 people, have 12-15 and swap as needed. We found the Elementium Monstrosity to be quite difficult the first week with our melee heavy guild. So we sat most of our melee for the first 2-3 kills and made our life easier. Just look at the world leaders. Both world 1st and world 2nd HM Nef kills stacked Druids.

Either way if you think 10 mans are so much easier I have one word for you: Al'akir. Besides that I don't buy it. Hardmodes are a different story though. Luckily it looks like Blizzard is realizing the discrepancies and doing their best to adjust but truth is that 10's and 25's will never be equal. Some will be harder and some will be easier. Just pick the one you like to play the most.

 

[Aikouka]

Just look at the world leaders. Both world 1st and world 2nd HM Nef kills stacked Druids.

Method didn't stack Druids. They used Potion of Illusion to make some of their players look like one of the Boomkins as a mock of Paragon's 11 or so Ferals.

 

[Gheris]

Resubbed to check things out. Haven't been on since Burning crusade expansion. Got a couple 60 Warrs, a 60 Shaman, and a 60 Hunter. Game seems so damn confusing now that I wanted ask you lot a question.

1. Game still solo friendly?
2. What classes are decent in PvP without the bestest gears?
3. Worth it to roll a new char to check out all the changes....always wanted to try a solo mage.....if it's viable...what's currently best solo class?

Thanks in advance.