at what price would you buy a Volkswagen

[brainhulk]

if the price of a new golf r comes down to say $20k, I'd buy one. they actually have fairly nice interiors

 

[tsupersonic]

I was looking at a new GTI. They're nice, but it's ungodly expensive for what you get. My friends also did a reality check on me and mentioned all their pains with reliability with their VW's. So my potential $31k GTI Autobahn (210 hp FWD) turned into a $32k Mustang GT Premium (435 hp RWD). The Mustang has a much nicer interior, more than double the power, looks a ton better (subjective I know), and is a lot more fun!

The Golf R is a cool car, but also overpriced. I can get the Audi S3 for not much more. Also, the S3 is readily available, whereas the Golf R is in some sort of demand.

 

[Jimzz]

I keep my cars past the factory warranty period so I would not touch a VW/Audi. Just to many better options out there.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I would never buy a VW.

 

[desura]

They weren't on my radar before the scandal. I mean, my family has a Volvo and it has been a real nightmare in terms of repair. What makes it bad is that since it is an imported car, repairs are expensive, and frequent. VW is in a similar category for me.

but at what price? If VW cars were in the same price range as a Ford Focus, I'd consider.

 

[jlee]

They weren't on my radar before the scandal. I mean, my family has a Volvo and it has been a real nightmare in terms of repair. What makes it bad is that since it is an imported car, repairs are expensive, and frequent. VW is in a similar category for me.

but at what price? If VW cars were in the same price range as a Ford Focus, I'd consider.

They're not that far off...Focus starts at $16,351 and a Jetta starts at $18,780 (though that's still ~15%). The Jetta's higher level options keep widening that gap, though.

 

[Kaido]

I was looking at a new GTI. They're nice, but it's ungodly expensive for what you get. My friends also did a reality check on me and mentioned all their pains with reliability with their VW's. So my potential $31k GTI Autobahn (210 hp FWD) turned into a $32k Mustang GT Premium (435 hp RWD). The Mustang has a much nicer interior, more than double the power, looks a ton better (subjective I know), and is a lot more fun!

I'm planning on an Ecoboost Mustang at some point. I was ridiculously impressed with the 4-banger...310HP @ 31MPG with Turbo, comfortable, surprisingly great visibility, and now with IRS, a pretty decent ride!

OP, at one point my wife had a New Beetle (before they stretched out the chassis). It was a really fun car (although anything not bolted onto the frame broke...12V plug, trunk latch, holy crap handles, you name it), but it was really expensive. I wonder if the prices will change in light of the recent emissions scandals...

 

[senseamp]

I would never buy a VW while they are making Diesels. Every time I see a VW, I think of stinky diesel cars.

 

[thedarkwolf]

Limiting yourself to manufactures that don't make stinky diesels isn't going to give you many options.

 

[SparkyJJO]

VW has never been on my radar as a car I ever wanted to buy in the first place. Frankly that goes for pretty much every European car.

Now if I could get it for 50% of market value and easily sell it for a nice profit then sure

 

[senseamp]

Limiting yourself to manufactures that don't make stinky diesels isn't going to give you many options.

You don't need many options, just a few good ones.

 

[thedarkwolf]

What big manufacture doesn't have a diesel vehicle?

 

[jlee]

What big manufacture doesn't have a diesel vehicle?

Anywhere in the lineup, or in passenger cars?

 

[Insomniator]

If a new Golf R was 20k for some reason, I'd trade in my current car on the way home from work today.

 

[cbrsurfr]

if the price of a new golf r comes down to say $20k, I'd buy one. they actually have fairly nice interiors

Never going to happen, especially on a limited production car.

 

[thedarkwolf]

Anywhere in the lineup, or in passenger cars?

I guess that is up to senseamp since he is the guy that won't support a manufacturer that offers a diesel. I can't think of any of the big guys that don't offer a diesel in a car/truck somewhere, maybe not the US but somewhere.

 

[Harrod]

I wouldn't mind having one as a project car, but not as a daily driver after changing out the water pump on my sisters GTI. I'd probably pay 8k for a used one that has a dash with no light on it.

 

[senseamp]

Subaru, which is what a lot of former VW drivers I know currently drive, doesn't have a stinky diesel, at least not in the US.

 

[Midwayman]

I like them well enough, but they're a little too spendy for what they are IMHO. Looked into a CC awhile ago and it came with either the pathetic 1.8t for a semi reasonable price or the vr6 for way too much money. Main issue seems to be options like most euro cars. Get anything other than the base and the starting price is a laugh.

 

[ultimatebob]

After all of the problems I had with my old Audi, I don't think that I'd be willing to pay for one.

Now, if they gave me one for free... I'd hold onto it until the warranty ran out and then dump it

 

[tsupersonic]

I'm planning on an Ecoboost Mustang at some point. I was ridiculously impressed with the 4-banger...310HP @ 31MPG with Turbo, comfortable, surprisingly great visibility, and now with IRS, a pretty decent ride!

I had a chance to drive the Ecoboost Mustang at the Ecoboost Challenge. I'm not sure if it was the press car, but the car had noticeable turbo lag (compared to my F30 335i at the time). The weight difference between the GT and the Ecoboost is noticeable, with the Ecoboost being easier to toss around, and the gas mileage should be better as well.

Sorry to go slightly OT.

 

[jlee]

I had a chance to drive the Ecoboost Mustang at the Ecoboost Challenge. I'm not sure if it was the press car, but the car had noticeable turbo lag (compared to my F30 335i at the time). The weight difference between the GT and the Ecoboost is noticeable, with the Ecoboost being easier to toss around, and the gas mileage should be better as well.

Sorry to go slightly OT.

2.3l vs 3l - that'll happen

 

[SparkyJJO]

Subaru, which is what a lot of former VW drivers I know currently drive, doesn't have a stinky diesel, at least not in the US.

They just burn motor oil instead of diesel oil

 

[tsupersonic]

2.3l vs 3l - that'll happen

It's not an issue of displacement...both cars use a single twin-scroll turbo. The 335i is rated for "300 hp", which is 10 less hp than the Ecoboost Mustang. It's just the response and lag from the Mustang. We were on a short course with tight turns. You'd put your foot down and just nothing. FWIW, the 328i with 2 L turbo (N26 engine) also has better response than the Ecoboost Mustang.

 

[jlee]

It's not an issue of displacement...both cars use a single twin-scroll turbo. The 335i is rated for "300 hp", which is 10 less hp than the Ecoboost Mustang. It's just the response and lag from the Mustang. We were on a short course with tight turns. You'd put your foot down and just nothing. FWIW, the 328i with 2 L turbo (N26 engine) also has better response than the Ecoboost Mustang.

Displacement is a huge factor in how quickly a turbo spools (as is turbo size) - interesting...I wonder if that could be tuned out in the Mustang (i.e. if it's that way for fuel economy or something).