UberNeuman
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The T word!
All the military guys I know from growing up that joined the forces, including my best friend who's in the Air National Guard and went off to train flying F16's is a staunch Bush supporter. There is massive support for the US President among the US military, so whatever he's raining down on them, it can't be piss.
retrospooty
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Duwelon... Lets get this straight... eliminating the Bush tax cuts on the top 5% and going back to the same tax rates as we had in the very prosperous 1990's is NOT socialism.
Why is that so hard for you to understand? We were NOT a socialist country in the 90's and we never will be, even if the tax rates change.
Why is that so hard for you to understand? We were NOT a socialist country in the 90's and we never will be, even if the tax rates change.
Yes, because the UberNeuman injects his quote edits and : laugh : into random posts is the master of debate and logic.
Man, you live in some pie-in-the-sky place. I had an employer in the 90s that kept all the money in the bank, sold the company and took it all with him. I doubt he's the only one that does this.
UberNeuman
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Sir, you simply are not worth discussing issues with....
but please, free feel to repeat your talkin' points.....
The USA is a socialist country. Medicare, Medicate, Social Security, Welfare, non stop spending by congress enacting social programs out the ass, is socialism. The question is, how far can it go until it breaks down.
The difference between Europe and the US is that the US still allows the producers to produce without stagnating their ability through over taxing. We are right now on a dangerous edge with Obama and the increased Dem majority. If they get their way, they will drag the productivity of the US down while expecting more from the same producers.
We need tax breaks on job producers and a strong rule of law to allow anyone who wants to to become rich themselves. Beyond that the government should have little to no involvement in people's lives.
What would a talking parrot know about making an argument. All you've done is regurgitate your bot brainwashing.
JohnOfSheffield
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I really don't give a shit about tart dolls, national guard or any of that bullsheit.
Iraq is worthless, completely useless, has led to nothing good AS A WHOLE.
Now in Afghanistan, we don't even have proper air support, haven't had that for about four years.
THIS is where the terrorists are at, directing the strikes, bullshit twats like "the military guys you know" are simply twats.
I want one name of one of them, one will do, take the most significant one, he can tell you and i'll fuck it up by telling the truth.
Do you know how to tell a liar like you? It's because you constantly lie.
JohnOfSheffield
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I'd like to call up those who have heard through PM or in posts that we are in Pakistan since July, i posted that in august, got known to the MSM in late September, i've posted about raids that others have read about...
There are plenty of people here to back me up on this.
You can ask three Mods here, Common, Haya and Harvey.
It's not for no reason at all that i had trust enough for them to keep it quiet, they have.
There are plenty of people here to back me up on this.
You can ask three Mods here, Common, Haya and Harvey.
It's not for no reason at all that i had trust enough for them to keep it quiet, they have.
Rivals use scare tactics in bid to stop the Obama march
By GITAU WARIGIPosted Saturday, October 25 2008 at 17:52
In Summary
Republicans brand Democratic candidate a ?socialist? seeking to cause class warfare
Barack Obama is a socialist? That is what John McCain camp would like Americans to believe.
A Republican Senator from Florida called Mel Martinez has gone a step further to insinuate that Obama wants to turn the USA into a communist Cuba.
A bemused Obama has pointed at the implausibility of all this by wondering how he would have attracted to his economic advisory team a guy like Warren Buffet, the quintessential entrepreneur capitalist.
By some measurements, Buffet is even richer than Bill Gates.
The whole socialist thing arises from a grotesque twisting of Obama?s economic plan. For some strange reason, the word taxation deeply riles Americans.
Republicans traditionally campaign on a platform of low taxation, and McCain is doing the same almost to the point of saying he won?t tax anybody.
Obama is carefully saying he will not raise additional taxes on the working and middle classes except on the super-rich.
The socialist theme has been intertwined with that of Joe the Plumber, who has become a running metaphor for the McCain campaign ever since a plumber from Ohio called Joe Wurzelbacher complained to Obama about his plans to tax those earning beyond $250,000 annually.
Obama?s answer that he intended to ?spread the wealth? to the working class and the middle class is now being caricatured by the Republicans to mean he is talking the language of socialist redistribution.
Tax plan
Of course, Obama?s tax plan, which has been prepared with input from luminaries like former Federal Reserve Board (or Central Bank) chairman Paul Volcker, is more complex and farther from socialism than this caricature makes it to be.
It involves a sophisticated mix of tax credits for small businesses and relief for the middle class, where most Americans claim to be.
It is part of an overall economic plan that lays out universal health care for all Americans, a proposal which has attracted the support of Hillary Clinton more than anything else on the Obama platform.
America is perhaps the only developed country without a comprehensive medical insurance for every citizen.
Like much else in this presidential campaign, everything the Republicans are saying is coded.
What essentially they mean when accusing Obama of wanting to ?take money away from hard-working Americans? is that he intends to pour largesse only to those on welfare, who are primarily poor African-Americans. African-Americans, together with the youth of all races, form the most fervent segments of Obama?s support base.
One of the best responses to the Republican scare tactics about Obama?s tax intentions was given by former Secretary of State Colin Powell when endorsing Obama last week.
He reminded his countrymen what taxes are for ? to build schools, hospitals, infrastructure and so on ? and warned that Americans would not be enjoying the lifestyles they do if nobody paid taxes.
By GITAU WARIGIPosted Saturday, October 25 2008 at 17:52
In Summary
Republicans brand Democratic candidate a ?socialist? seeking to cause class warfare
Barack Obama is a socialist? That is what John McCain camp would like Americans to believe.
A Republican Senator from Florida called Mel Martinez has gone a step further to insinuate that Obama wants to turn the USA into a communist Cuba.
A bemused Obama has pointed at the implausibility of all this by wondering how he would have attracted to his economic advisory team a guy like Warren Buffet, the quintessential entrepreneur capitalist.
By some measurements, Buffet is even richer than Bill Gates.
The whole socialist thing arises from a grotesque twisting of Obama?s economic plan. For some strange reason, the word taxation deeply riles Americans.
Republicans traditionally campaign on a platform of low taxation, and McCain is doing the same almost to the point of saying he won?t tax anybody.
Obama is carefully saying he will not raise additional taxes on the working and middle classes except on the super-rich.
The socialist theme has been intertwined with that of Joe the Plumber, who has become a running metaphor for the McCain campaign ever since a plumber from Ohio called Joe Wurzelbacher complained to Obama about his plans to tax those earning beyond $250,000 annually.
Obama?s answer that he intended to ?spread the wealth? to the working class and the middle class is now being caricatured by the Republicans to mean he is talking the language of socialist redistribution.
Tax plan
Of course, Obama?s tax plan, which has been prepared with input from luminaries like former Federal Reserve Board (or Central Bank) chairman Paul Volcker, is more complex and farther from socialism than this caricature makes it to be.
It involves a sophisticated mix of tax credits for small businesses and relief for the middle class, where most Americans claim to be.
It is part of an overall economic plan that lays out universal health care for all Americans, a proposal which has attracted the support of Hillary Clinton more than anything else on the Obama platform.
America is perhaps the only developed country without a comprehensive medical insurance for every citizen.
Like much else in this presidential campaign, everything the Republicans are saying is coded.
What essentially they mean when accusing Obama of wanting to ?take money away from hard-working Americans? is that he intends to pour largesse only to those on welfare, who are primarily poor African-Americans. African-Americans, together with the youth of all races, form the most fervent segments of Obama?s support base.
One of the best responses to the Republican scare tactics about Obama?s tax intentions was given by former Secretary of State Colin Powell when endorsing Obama last week.
He reminded his countrymen what taxes are for ? to build schools, hospitals, infrastructure and so on ? and warned that Americans would not be enjoying the lifestyles they do if nobody paid taxes.
retrospooty
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Really? And yet we are still by far the worlds largest economy and richest country. Social program does not equal socialism... Its called civilization. If you hate it so much, leave. We will be better off without the negativity.
That wasn't a smacking, that was eskimospy showing his ignorance, like usual.
Taking from the entire pool of taxpayers and giving to those who generate no income themselves is socialism, ie social security.
Obama wants to spread more wealth around, taking the means and production from the entire pool of tax payers via their final reward, ie $$, and wants to give it to those who produce nothing, ie the homeless with UHC.
Honestly I don't care what you call it, socialism, marxism, communism, the end result is the same, a society enslaved to the state with a dictactor locking up everyone that doesn't agree with them. This is the road Obama wants to go down, though he's too blind to see and too ignorant to know what lies at the endo f the road. USSR, NK, now Venuzuala if it isn't already too late.
Ozoned
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Below is theTop of goole search for "socialism" I am sure that a vast majority of Americans see a little socialist in Obama, and he did indeed open his big mouth inviting the label.
Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society[1][2] Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century working class political movement. Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution which represents the transitional stage between capitalism and communism.[3][4]
Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved.[
Actually, the first sentence is 100% true about Obama because nobody but OBAMA in this campaign is trying to stir up class warfare by his rigid and constant chant of "change". We both know who doesn't like the way things are, and is trying to rile up a class war to vote him in, with promises of "spreading the wealth around".
JohnOfSheffield
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- Jun 26, 2007
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You'll note that i spill info when it's noted that it's public information, not before that, it takes a week or ten (somewhere in between) before it's released after that and we maintain good relationships (sometimes very good, nudge, nudge, know what i mean, wink wink?) with the press.
So basically... if you know about the hit, it was done a week ago.
The only reason we are still the richest and most productive country is because we still have remnants of our freedom left. I have no doubt we'll continue to become more and more socialist as time goes on. There are degrees to socialism, obviously. Obama is more socialist, Mccain is less. I didn't want Mccain, but between him and the left's choice, I look forward to Mccain winning.
Ozoned
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Actually, Obama has recently added a qualifier to some of his fiscal policy proposals. (Wealth redistribution). The qualifier is "working" you want to participate, you have to be working. He did this after the spread the wealth thing because he didn,t want to be perceived as a socialist. I am guessing if he hadn't made the remark, he wouldn't have added the qualifier. This says a lot to me.
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