At least 11 people shot dead, including 11-year-old boy, since Tuesday in Chicago

[nickqt]

BLM protestors shoot people? Link?

Oh wait, you're saying it's black people doing the shooting. And they're all the same.

Because they're black.

He's also saying the protesters are arsonists.

I bet when it's pointed out how racist what he said is, he'll whine about how the REAL RACISTS are the black lives matter people.

some ignorant motherfuckers around here. So smart and so dumb at the same time.

I told y'all the bigots were congregating in this thread.

Step 1: be a raging bigot.
Step 2: start thread with barely-concealed dog whistles to call in your bigot buddies.
Step 3: go full bigot, and project your bigotry on everyone else. Hell most likely because Benghazi.

Same 'ol same 'ol. Nothing to see here, folks.

 

[kage69]

Hyper-masculinity plays a large role as well.

I agree, perhaps even the largest role. Being perceived as dangerous is glorified. Add in the idolization of material wealth and you have a perpetually re-kindling fire of sorts. And as unokitty's graph unfortunately seems to indicate, the smoke is coming from rather particular source.

 

[chucky2]

Delusional Conservative (but I repeat myself), you're confusing your delusions.

I'm Jhnnn, not Eskimospy, remember?

Or am I all of the libruuls, or none of them at all?

Keep on keepin' on, delusional conservative (alas, I repeat myself again).

You, as usual, don't get it. Nick is Nick...Nick knows who and what I'm talking about. Go back to your bot troll posting...


...oh, and, Benghazi!

 

[nickqt]

You, as usual, don't get it. Nick is Nick...Nick knows who and what I'm talking about. Go back to your bot troll posting...


...oh, and, Benghazi!

Delusional and nonsensical.

You are the typical conservative!

Running for VP on a Trump ticket?

 

[Cerb]

They don't have to do any of those things, nor should they.

This is the 'all lives matter' argument in a nutshell:

So, criticize it in panels 1-2, support it in panel 3?
If the house on the right is already gone, shouldn't your efforts go towards protecting nearby property? Terrible comic.

 

[fskimospy]

So, criticize it in panels 1-2, support it in panel 3?
If the house on the right is already gone, shouldn't your efforts go towards protecting nearby property? Terrible comic.

Is this a joke?

 

[MagickMan]

Do you really think though that the reason there is so much black crime is BECAUSE they are black? When crime is looked at and controlled for poverty, its generally found to be racially invariable.

Citation needed, especially WRT murder stats.

 

[MagickMan]

Is this a joke?

Only if you believe the house on the right can be saved with a single water hose (or any amount of water, since it's engulfed in flames). Hint: it can't. Might as well protect the home that isn't a lost cause. :\

 

[fskimospy]

Only if you believe the house on the right can be saved with a single water hose (or any amount of water, since it's engulfed in flames). Hint: it can't. Might as well protect the home that isn't a lost cause. :\

...it's a comic strip. If we're attempting to interpret it literally the two people have far larger problems than a burning house. The guy on the left has no mouth and they seem to have seal flippers for hands. I mean, are you the sort of person who reads Calvin and Hobbes and says "THIS STRIP IS STUPID, TIGERS CAN'T TALK"?

If you guys aren't joking... there aren't enough facepalms.

 

[MagickMan]

...it's a comic strip. If we're attempting to interpret it literally the two people have far larger problems than a burning house. The guy on the left has no mouth and they seem to have seal flippers for hands. I mean, are you the sort of person who reads Calvin and Hobbes and says "THIS STRIP IS STUPID, TIGERS CAN'T TALK"?

If you guys aren't joking... there aren't enough facepalms.

It's about perception, and if the artist's is skewed it makes the entire comic fall on its face, like that one. While it is obvious what the artist is trying to say, he's inadvertently harmed his argument at the same time, revealing an abundance of irony. You can only see these things when you're able to look at such situations logically and objectively. If you can't, well, that's a failure common in all Social Justice movements, on the Left or Right.

 

[Blackjack200]

...it's a comic strip. If we're attempting to interpret it literally the two people have far larger problems than a burning house. The guy on the left has no mouth and they seem to have seal flippers for hands. I mean, are you the sort of person who reads Calvin and Hobbes and says "THIS STRIP IS STUPID, TIGERS CAN'T TALK"?

If you guys aren't joking... there aren't enough facepalms.

Actually it's pretty revealing if you take their interpretation at face value. The house on the right represents the black community and the fire is the scourge of violence (police and other violence) that is destroying it.

Cerb and MagicMan are saying that the black community is beyond hope, it should be allowed to burn, and white people should do whatever they can to insulate themselves from the effects.

 

[fskimospy]

It's about perception, and if the artist's is skewed it makes the entire comic fall on its face, like that one. While it is obvious what the artist is trying to say, he's inadvertently harmed his argument at the same time, revealing an abundance of irony. You can only see these things when you're able to look at such situations logically and objectively. If you can't, well, that's a failure common in all Social Justice movements, on the Left or Right.

Okay you HAVE to be joking now. Nobody has this little self awareness. The purpose of a cartoon like this is to exaggerate for effect.

This is either really bad trolling, or really hilarious ineptitude.

 

[MagickMan]

Actually it's pretty revealing if you take their interpretation at face value. The house on the right represents the black community and the fire is the scourge of violence (police and other violence) that is destroying it.

Cerb and MagicMan are saying that the black community is beyond hope, it should be allowed to burn, and white people should do whatever they can to insulate themselves from the effects.

There's a kernel of truth there. I think the black communities in larger urban centers are a lost cause in many ways, and while we can save them, it would require an undertaking in social engineering the likes of which the modern world has never seen before. I think it could be worth it, despite the financial cost, which would make anything we've tried before look like pocket change. The problem is, if they see nothing wrong with their current choices in lifestyle, then it makes such efforts pointless.

Okay you HAVE to be joking now. Nobody has this little self awareness. The purpose of a cartoon like this is to exaggerate for effect.

That's what adds to the irony.

This is either really bad trolling, or really hilarious ineptitude.

More irony. You're the one trolling, not me.

 

[Blackjack200]

Ohh, you mean farrakahns call for 10k black men to kill whites. Or other BLM leaders saying to kill whites and cops. Because all whites and cops are the same. They seem to be just fine lumping everybody together. But then again, black people can't be racist or bigoted, right?

If you actually cared about any of this, James Baldwin explained the appeal of the militant/violent black activists like 50 years ago. These are people that are taught that they are worthless from the day they're born. A message that they are actually superior, but being repressed by a power that fears what they are capable of empowers them and allows them to value themselves for the first time in their lives.

If you want to get rid of the Farrakahns and the Al Sharptons and all the charlatans and promoters of violence and black supremecy, work toward equality.

But I don't believe you actually care about any of this. You're looking to score points and support your narrative.

"There is no point in American History when the demand by black pepole for equality was not declared by powerful people to be criminal. None."

- Ta-Nehisi Coates

Pigs in a blanket, fry them up!

Nice chant in minnnesota, eh?

I have nonproblem airing their grievances against police for *proper*actions. In fact, I think it is good. However, time and again we see them take up poor symbols of Victimhood and fail to acknowledge their problems internally. It shuts off the dialog and diminishes their message.

The problem is not "internal". Considering it "internal" is horribly racist and dismissive of the underlying causes for the horrible segregation we see in society today.

I also have no problrm with them feeling betrayed by America. They have been. 30 years ago they had it much better. Men had jobs and we're treated as men. People could move up, and did. However, with offshoring and illegal immigration those lower skilled jobs are gone. The alpha males of fhe neighborhoods are either dead or in prison after they lost their jobs and took to crime. They are put on the dole and then they are angry that that is all of the pie they will ever get. It must be immensely frustrating. It is a self perpetuating cycle, we have given them fish rather than helping them learn how to fish. We have robbed them of self esteem and dignity. All on the altar of free trade capitslism, illegsl immigratuon, and liberalism.

There was a good article I read 6-9 Mos ago about how the gutting of Baltimore jobs had led to slums and lack of male leadership who kept gangs out and stood up for their people. The author said those older males are either buried or got "big numbers" (prison time).

How to get out of the cycle? You need better leaders on all sides. Ones who will point how the woes of low income among younger blacks who just want to earn their own money, and recognition that giving fish isn't how you create sustainable employment.

You're right about the deterioration. But it has nothing to do with offshoring. American worker productivity has been climbing for 30 years, we just started giving everything to people at the top.

Black people can be the programmers, engineers, teachers, financial workers, health care workers, and skilled employees this economy needs. But we need to give them a lot of fish first.

 

[Blackjack200]

There's a kernel of truth there. I think the black communities in larger urban centers are a lost cause in many ways, and while we can save them, it would require an undertaking in social engineering the likes of which the modern world has never seen before. I think it could be worth it, despite the financial cost, which would make anything we've tried before look like pocket change. The problem is, if they see nothing wrong with their current choices in lifestyle, then it makes such efforts pointless.

The investment required to turn these communities around is trivial compared to what we spend on incarceration and law enforcement.

This is not rocket science. You put money into head start programs, increase funding for public education, support families (including fathers) and stop demonizing people for being "welfare queens" or having a TV or a refrigerator.

 

[cabri]

The investment required to turn these communities around is trivial compared to what we spend on incarceration and law enforcement.

This is not rocket science. You put money into head start programs, increase funding for public education, support families (including fathers) and stop demonizing people for being "welfare queens" or having a TV or a refrigerator.

Yet this has been tried for at least 1-2 generations and such still exists.
Head Start programs work well until they kids get to High School; then peer pressure takes over.
Public educations $$ are misused (chicken/egg)
Support (pumping $$ has just encouraged dependency (chicken/egg)
Demonizing - if they are trying, such should be seen as a compliment to those that are trying to better. Those that it fits, are already lost.

 

[MagickMan]

"There is no point in American History when the demand by black pepole <sic> for equality was not declared by powerful people to be criminal. None."

- Ta-Nehisi Coates

That's not too far from wrong, when blacks protest it leads to excessive violence, which is due to the fact that's been the way to get the most attention (read Rules For Radicals). The loudest hinge gets the grease. We accept it, pardon it, even condone it, but that doesn't mean it's the right way to behave. They rely on society's "mercies", the concept that the rest of America won't react in as radical a way and all other ethnic groups will be the first ones to blink, it's the equivalent of playing "Chicken", on a huge social scale.

The problem is, to carry that analogy further, what happens when enough people decide to stop swerving to avoid a collision? I don't want to see that, I absolutely don't, but I believe it's inevitable.

 

[MagickMan]

The investment required to turn these communities around is trivial compared to what we spend on incarceration and law enforcement.

This is not rocket science. You put money into head start programs, increase funding for public education, support families (including fathers) and stop demonizing people for being "welfare queens" or having a TV or a refrigerator.

It's not that easy, because in large part the problem is the environment, relocation and better ethnic integration is also required, or the programs you talk about won't get off the ground. Unless the core belief structures within the black communities change, while such measures are introduced, it's an exercise in futility. If there's no family unit to give it structure, it will collapse under its own weight.

 

[fskimospy]

There's a kernel of truth there. I think the black communities in larger urban centers are a lost cause in many ways, and while we can save them, it would require an undertaking in social engineering the likes of which the modern world has never seen before. I think it could be worth it, despite the financial cost, which would make anything we've tried before look like pocket change. The problem is, if they see nothing wrong with their current choices in lifestyle, then it makes such efforts pointless.

That's what adds to the irony.

More irony. You're the one trolling, not me.

The total lack of self awareness here is hilarious. The fact that you immediately see bias in an opposing viewpoint and then assume that you're an objective evaluator is kind of amazing, except I think you're actually serious.

You should be embarrassed, but I doubt you're aware enough to realize why.

 

[Blue_Max]

Black Lives Matter is on the scene!

Oh wait, no they're not. They're a racist organization whose only goal is to hate whitey and The Man, so they don't give a shit about these Black Lives.

But hey, focus all your effort on the 3% of the black people murdered each year by cop and ignore the 97% of murdered by fellow black people. That's just good sense.

Hey, hey now... if that 3% is higher up their beloved Progressive Stack, they DO matter more than the 97%.

Oppression Olympics, baby!

 

[Cerb]

Is this a joke?

Yes and no.

BLM and ALM are both stupid hashtag terms with little meaning and direction, beyond reactive emotional behavior that spawned both, and all attempts to make either seem legitimate has been retroactive, and has managed to be undermined by vocal supporters. However, most of it ignores the police corruption, or includes much larger groups that aren't involved, going to standard all-around race-baiting.

The 3rd panel in the comic is bad. Fires that can spread should be, and usually are, contained, once they get too bad to just put out, leading to a head-scratching message in the final panel. This has been pointed out numerous times, in numerous places, since that comic began circulating. OTOH, that is surprisingly fitting, given the nature of, "ooh, look, I'm doing political stuff," hashtag movements. The analogy in the comic assumes that the problem is already so far gone that it's impossible to save, by using a house engulfed in flames.

 

[Cerb]

Cerb and MagicMan are saying that the black community is beyond hope, it should be allowed to burn, and white people should do whatever they can to insulate themselves from the effects.

LOL. I can't speak for MagicMan, but there, you have done what supporters of BLM, and the media ALM supporters (ALM is a reactionary other side of the coin deal), have been doing. Forget the problem, and forget looking at causes. All them white guys are against the black community! No, just those deciding to be behind BLM, which about as organized and directed as Occupy.

No, it's that BLM came, exploded, and has already fragmented and poisoned itself in the public eye. When you have something that's looked down by all the Fox people, and then manage top piss on Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders (and their supporters), especially Sanders' supports, and don't immediately and publicly say those people are no longer part of your movement, you've fucked up. It's a goner. If anything like it is to gain useful traction, someone needs to step up early on, identify specific problems, and specific goals, at a minimum. It's a case of those not knowing history (very recent history, even, that was just current events) repeating it. I would expect anyone sensible to want to distance themselves.

The nation over, especially in urban areas, are the black communities more or less screwed over? Yes. Including by police? Often, yes. But, beyond hope? Only if they have already abandoned it. If they would direct their frustrations, I'm sure a lot could get done. But, that's going to take non-leeching leadership (IE, forget Jesse Jackson and friends).

 

[fskimospy]

Yes and no.

BLM and ALM are both stupid hashtag terms with little meaning and direction, beyond reactive emotional behavior that spawned both, and all attempts to make either seem legitimate has been retroactive, and has managed to be undermined by vocal supporters. However, most of it ignores the police corruption, or includes much larger groups that aren't involved, going to standard all-around race-baiting.

The 3rd panel in the comic is bad. Fires that can spread should be, and usually are, contained, once they get too bad to just put out, leading to a head-scratching message in the final panel. This has been pointed out numerous times, in numerous places, since that comic began circulating. OTOH, that is surprisingly fitting, given the nature of, "ooh, look, I'm doing political stuff," hashtag movements. The analogy in the comic assumes that the problem is already so far gone that it's impossible to save, by using a house engulfed in flames.

That panel is not head scratching unless you are deliberately trying to make it so.

It is simply amazing to me that so many people who consider themselves smart are conveniently unable to understand a simple comic strip.

That is, when that comic strip tells them things they don't like.

 

[Cerb]

The investment required to turn these communities around is trivial compared to what we spend on incarceration and law enforcement.

But, one makes bureaucrats more powerful, and private companies richer. The other would make them less powerful, and sink prison owners. That other ones would also require some semblance of empathy, and care for our society's help, which seems a lot harder to find than greed and business sense, among the educated and connected.

 

[Cerb]

That panel is not head scratching unless you are deliberately trying to make it so.

Oh, I understood the point it was intending to make. But it's funny that it's trying to make it by drawing an analogy that doesn't support that point, while at the same time the whole comic supports a bad message. A building engulfed in flames is a terrible metaphor for anything you want to somehow protect/save, making any behavior surrounding it a terrible analogy.

There's a reason professional political cartoonists can do what they do repeatedly, and a large part of that is not making such mistakes.

It is simply amazing to me that so many people who consider themselves smart are conveniently unable to understand a simple comic strip.

That is, when that comic strip tells them things they don't like.

It's equally amazing to the rest of us that some people don't care if something makes any sense. If you want to have any chance to influence the opinions of those that aren't all touchy-feely, making sense is important. Not doing so, including sending mixed messages, only degrades the core message, as does insulting those that disagree with you, without addressing the disagreements.