At least 10 killed, 39 wounded over the weekend...Iraq? Syria? Afghan?...nope, it is

Svnla

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K1052

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There is always an uptick in violence once the weather gets good. Gangs come back out to settle scores and reassert control over their turf.
 

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even in south florida we have areas where you just don't go into

there was a report on tv, where this woman talked to the police and the media to try and get some gang bangers arrested who shot someone at her house. Next day they came back and shot up her house while kids were playing outside trying to take her out. Basically they said that gangs ruled the neighborhood and anyone caught snitching was offed
 

K1052

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Guess that makes everything okay then...

No, it just explains why there is a sudden spike in violence. It happens every year.

Chicago's per capita murder rate isn't the highest or even close for US cities.
 

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Chicago has a pretty bad gang problem that has never gone away. Some gangs such as the Latin Kings have an estimated 25,000 foot soldiers in and around the city itself as an example. The total number of estimated gang members in Chicago is about 150,000 members according to the Chicago Crime Commission with it latest report in the "The Gang book" publication.
 
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Munky

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Clearly, that means we need more gun control, and make it even more impossible for law-abiding citizens to have the means of protecting themselves.
 

Matthiasa

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Exactly only criminals should have guns... :p
Really though there are definitly areas there where you don't want to be.

Fun story... someone I knew lived in Mexico their whole life, never once had a run in with any kind of criminal act, never robbed never anything.
Yet, it only took a few days in Chicago for the person to get mugged.
 

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Chicago has a pretty bad gang problem that has never gone away. Some gangs such as the Latin Kings have an estimated 25,000 foot soldiers in and around the city itself as an example. The total number of estimated gang members in Chicago is about 150,000 members according to the Chicago Crime Commission with it latest report in the "The Gang book" publication.

150,000, that's insane. That's bigger than the entire population of some smaller cities.

Good thing our drug prohibition laws keep money flowing to these gang members from selling drugs.
 

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A few MOABs dropped on some of the worse areas would probably be the only way.
That or a massive change in education and drug laws but that is far less likely to happen.
 

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so how about we clean up the gang problem in Chicago then?

heh good luck



also people need to remember Chicago is anti-gun. up until recently it was damn impossible to get a LEGAL gun. you can get a illegal gun in 15 minutes though.
 

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we can laugh and joke about it all we want - but why is it ok for this problem to exist? Why is it ok, or beyond discussing, that there are ~150k gang members in greater Chicago?
 

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we can laugh and joke about it all we want - but why is it ok for this problem to exist? Why is it ok, or beyond discussing, that there are ~150k gang members in greater Chicago?

Nothing can realistically be done until you cut off the money. That means legalizing and regulating all the illicit revenue (drugs, prostitution, gambling, etc).
 

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Go ahead and try and clean it up. I saw a documentary on just this thing that took place back in the early 80's and all it did was push the criminals to the outlining neighborhoods and crime went up something like 500%. What they did was put an army of cops out on patrol and anyone that even looked shady was stop, searched and all that jazz. People got mad because they felt their rights were being violated and lots of protests started. They did get some big time gang leaders for all the shake downs and all the gangs started to split up and it cause everyone to fight over territory. No leaders for the gangs equaled a lot of blood shed because everyone was just randomly shooting each other because everyone was in fear of getting shot themselves. The fall out from it was that all the criminals moved to lesser patrolled neighborhoods and the crime skyrocketed. They eased off the patrols it seemed like the just try and contain the gangs in certain areas.
 

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we can laugh and joke about it all we want - but why is it ok for this problem to exist? Why is it ok, or beyond discussing, that there are ~150k gang members in greater Chicago?

Who said it was?
 

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It's pretty simple to see that the current drug laws fuels the pocketbooks of those that make money from selling the goods. To truly take care of the gang issue, the constant money flowing into gangs needs to be cut off. The only way to do that is to reform the current ridiculous drug laws in the US, where it's legal to drink alcohol which leads to 75,000 deaths a year but illegal to smoke weed which causes a mere handful.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/ns/health-addictions/t/alcohol-linked-us-deaths-year/

Same thing happened during the prohibition in the 20's - it's how the mafia got started making big bucks from producing and selling alcohol. Drugs will always continue to be used, whether or not it's illegal, and no matter what the punishment is. Even in places like China where they will literally execute a drug lord, drugs continue to be sold, because it's so lucrative.

In a society focused around money, when there is an easy avenue to make money through drugs and violence, then naturally a lot of people will opt to go that route. Once the drug income is purged, it will still be a few decades before the gangs decrease in size as their incomes dry up (some will remain, and move instead to extortion / blackmail / taking hostages, muggings, etc.).

It's like the KRS-one song:
"Money's flowing, everything is fine
Got myself an Uzi and my brother a nine
Business is boomin', everything is cool
I pull about a G a week, fvck school".
 

cybrsage

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It is not against the law to join a gang. There is nothing which can be done, from a legal standpoint, to prevent people from joining a gang.