At Last The Terrorist Attacks End in India!

[Sam25]

At last this morning the long terrorist attacks came to an end. I had little to no sleep for the last 3 days. Mumbai is a place very close to my heart. Although I stay some distance away from it now, it was shocking and unreal to see the attacks carried out there. The hotels were destroyed inside and heritage buildings were raging with fire. The loss of lives has gone way past the 100 mark. It was total chaos for the last 3 days. Our Commandos did the best they could taking down the terrorists and the countrymen are nothing but proud of them. All I hope now is that the country gets through this and tomorrow we rise with more strength and stability than today. I'm proud to be an Indian. Peace.

 

[Infohawk]

for the victims of terrorism.

It's time for the US to have a more consistent foreign policy. We should be close allies with democratic countries like India. We should keep our distance from undemocratic and muslim countries like Pakistan.

 

[ZzZGuy]

My thoughts, thank god terrorists haven't started using chemical weapons regularly yet (Japanese domestic terrorists launched two chemical attacks years ago). Even with all the training these guys seemed to have, one chemist + one pilot + one crop duster and this could have been a another world of hurt.

My condolences to the victims of these attacks.

 

[Farang]

*does an Indian head bobble*

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

I think terrorists well know that nukes and chemical weapons = endgame. That means complete war with Pakistan, Iran, etc. Any country that harbors terrorists is getting fucking taken out.

The key for terrorists is to do just enough damage to cause an uproar but not too much where full on retaliation would occur.

 

[Sam25]

Just came back home from work and watching the news now. The death toll has risen way further. 183 killed and more than 300 people injured. Horrific scenes inside The Taj. Everything seems burnt, broken and in shambles. This will take months to re-build again.

Btw, President Bush has has pledged support to our country and also said "Terror will not have the final word".

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Sam25
Just came back home from work and watching the news now. The death toll has risen way further. 183 killed and more than 300 people injured. Horrific scenes inside The Taj. Everything seems burnt, broken and in shambles. This will take months to re-build again.

Btw, President Bush has has pledged support to our country and also said "Terror will not have the final word".

My condolences. I work with a lot of indians here in the US on work visas, they are absolutely awesome, awesome to work with. The most friendly foreigners i've ever met, bar none. I think most or all of them come from the southern region of india, chennai and maybe mumbai too.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
It's time for the US to have a more consistent foreign policy. We should be close allies with democratic countries like India. We should keep our distance from undemocratic and muslim countries like Pakistan.

What we should do is stop supporting the structures that breed terrorism. We haven't had a coherent foreign policy since at least WW2. We support dictators and democracies alike, depending on what meets our needs. For 30 years, we propped up one of the most brutal regimes on the planet, the Shah of Iran, then we wonder why the populace is hostile to us once he was overthrown. We put Saddam Hussein in power, gave him the weapons to commit genocide then wonder why the Arabs hate us. And in Chile, we overthrew their democracy then helped Pinochet kill all the opposition to the US. And the list goes on and on.

I agree with your statement, but as long as we have people in power who simply do not care for the situation on the ground nor the human lives it affects, we will never see the end of hostilities to America.

 

[crisscross]

Thank god you started another thread.. the other one degraded pretty quickly.. even blaming british colonialism as one of the reasons for the attack

 

[Deliximus]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Infohawk
It's time for the US to have a more consistent foreign policy. We should be close allies with democratic countries like India. We should keep our distance from undemocratic and muslim countries like Pakistan.

What we should do is stop supporting the structures that breed terrorism. We haven't had a coherent foreign policy since at least WW2. We support dictators and democracies alike, depending on what meets our needs. For 30 years, we propped up one of the most brutal regimes on the planet, the Shah of Iran, then we wonder why the populace is hostile to us once he was overthrown. We put Saddam Hussein in power, gave him the weapons to commit genocide then wonder why the Arabs hate us. And in Chile, we overthrew their democracy then helped Pinochet kill all the opposition to the US. And the list goes on and on.

I agree with your statement, but as long as we have people in power who simply do not care for the situation on the ground nor the human lives it affects, we will never see the end of hostilities to America.

i whole heartedly agree. American foreign policy is all over the place. They speak about fighting for democracy and turn about face and prop up a dictator that suits their needs.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: Deliximus
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i whole heartedly agree. American foreign policy is all over the place. They speak about fighting for democracy and turn about face and prop up a dictator that suits their needs.

Actually, nothing has been more debilitating to the world than the sheer stupidity of the Carter and subsequent Reagan administration rounding up all the misfits and malcontents of the Islamic world, providing them with state-of-the-art training and weapons, sending them off to fight the commies in Afghanistan in the late 70s and eighties and leaving them to their own devices when the Russians left. Almost all of the acts of terrorism today are the hydra-heads of this monster they created and left to it's own devices. The guys who thought this strategy up should be given the Nobel prize for bone-headedness.

 

[daniel49]

As soon as I saw the Headline. Before I even read the story, was waiting to get to the part where a Muslim group claimed responsability.
Sure enough there it was.
Twisted man just twisted. One wonders how long the world will tolerate this BS?
Condolences. To those who were lost in another senseless act of barbarism

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Infohawk
It's time for the US to have a more consistent foreign policy. We should be close allies with democratic countries like India. We should keep our distance from undemocratic and muslim countries like Pakistan.

What we should do is stop supporting the structures that breed terrorism. We haven't had a coherent foreign policy since at least WW2. We support dictators and democracies alike, depending on what meets our needs. For 30 years, we propped up one of the most brutal regimes on the planet, the Shah of Iran, then we wonder why the populace is hostile to us once he was overthrown. We put Saddam Hussein in power, gave him the weapons to commit genocide then wonder why the Arabs hate us. And in Chile, we overthrew their democracy then helped Pinochet kill all the opposition to the US. And the list goes on and on.

I agree with your statement, but as long as we have people in power who simply do not care for the situation on the ground nor the human lives it affects, we will never see the end of hostilities to America.

Your analysis is a little off...the people of Iran actually seem to LIKE America, for example. But your basic idea is pretty accurate. Our problem is that our foreign policy seems to be entirely based on whatever is convenient at the moment, and what's worse, everyone we deal with KNOWS that to be the case. So we end up with allies that think we'll stab them in the back the first time it's convenient to do so, and enemies who think they can just wait until we start sending them huge checks to fight our battles for us. The real problem is that we're in a position where it's difficult to convince anyone that we really mean what we say.

 

[Braznor]

OP, this was just the beginning, not the end to terror attacks in India.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Infohawk
It's time for the US to have a more consistent foreign policy. We should be close allies with democratic countries like India. We should keep our distance from undemocratic and muslim countries like Pakistan.

What we should do is stop supporting the structures that breed terrorism. We haven't had a coherent foreign policy since at least WW2. We support dictators and democracies alike, depending on what meets our needs. For 30 years, we propped up one of the most brutal regimes on the planet, the Shah of Iran, then we wonder why the populace is hostile to us once he was overthrown. We put Saddam Hussein in power, gave him the weapons to commit genocide then wonder why the Arabs hate us. And in Chile, we overthrew their democracy then helped Pinochet kill all the opposition to the US. And the list goes on and on.

I agree with your statement, but as long as we have people in power who simply do not care for the situation on the ground nor the human lives it affects, we will never see the end of hostilities to America.

Your analysis is a little off...the people of Iran actually seem to LIKE America, for example. But your basic idea is pretty accurate. Our problem is that our foreign policy seems to be entirely based on whatever is convenient at the moment, and what's worse, everyone we deal with KNOWS that to be the case. So we end up with allies that think we'll stab them in the back the first time it's convenient to do so, and enemies who think they can just wait until we start sending them huge checks to fight our battles for us. The real problem is that we're in a position where it's difficult to convince anyone that we really mean what we say.

ye, I realize that today the Iranian people are more open to relations with the US, but my post was in the context of the '79 revolution in which opposition to the US was highly popular. But yes, dictators and democracies alike know what the US foreign policy is and they can shape their power structure accordingly.

 

[crisscross]

There are reports that the captured terrorist has confessed to being trained in Pakistan and the plan was to try and kill 5000. Some other interesting info. coming out.. the terrorists believed they could do all this and then go back to Pakistan and had even mapped the return route.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: crisscross
There are reports that the captured terrorist has confessed to being trained in Pakistan and the plan was to try and kill 5000. Some other interesting info. coming out.. the terrorists believed they could do all this and then go back to Pakistan and had even mapped the return route.

I'm against the death penalty but I was reading about India's and can almost go along with it. They rarely use it and usually only in sensitive cases--like Indira Ghandi's assassins. Hopefully this fucker gets hung.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: crisscross
There are reports that the captured terrorist has confessed to being trained in Pakistan and the plan was to try and kill 5000. Some other interesting info. coming out.. the terrorists believed they could do all this and then go back to Pakistan and had even mapped the return route.

I'm against the death penalty but I was reading about India's and can almost go along with it. They rarely use it and usually only in sensitive cases--like Indira Ghandi's assassins. Hopefully this fucker gets hung.

Burning him alive would be a more suitable punishment.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: crisscross
There are reports that the captured terrorist has confessed to being trained in Pakistan and the plan was to try and kill 5000. Some other interesting info. coming out.. the terrorists believed they could do all this and then go back to Pakistan and had even mapped the return route.

I'm against the death penalty but I was reading about India's and can almost go along with it. They rarely use it and usually only in sensitive cases--like Indira Ghandi's assassins. Hopefully this fucker gets hung.

Nah if he's spilling the beans about the plan he should be spared so that future terrorists will feel more comfortable surrendering and spilling the beans too.

 

[Nebor]

I assume The Green Bean is dancing in the streets somewhere?

 

[ZzZGuy]

Originally posted by: Nebor
I assume The Green Bean is dancing in the streets somewhere?

I was actually looking to see what his reply is.

IMHO if these terrorists came from Pakistan, it's time to begin placing sanctions against them using the carrot & stick method. They aren't very helpful when it comes to Afghanistan either, the USA seems to have already come to this conclusion.

 

[crisscross]

Pretty much confirmed that they are from Pakistan.

'I was told to kill to my last breath': Captured terrorist's account of Mumbai massacre reveals plan was to kill 5,000

India plans to share evidence with America

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh [Images] has asked Foreign Secretary Shiv Shankar Menon to rush to Washington, DC, to brief the advisors of US President-elect Barack Obama [Images] about the terror attacks in Mumbai.

Menon is expected to leave for the US on Monday. His office could not be contacted.

The terror attacks on Mumbai have thrown up crucial evidence which needs to be brought to the urgent notice of Americans in view of India's past experience with Pakistan.

According to a source in government, "We have three pieces of evidence right now of the involvement of people based in Pakistan. One is the satellite phone through which calls were made to Pakistan from Mumbai. Two, the interrogation statement of the captured terrorist has lots of details which will help demolish Pakistan's claims that there are no terrorist camps inside Pakistan. Three, the dead bodies of nine terrorists and the proof of identity found on them."

The Indian side believes that as has happened in the past, Pakistan is likely to say on seeing the details of telephone numbers and their possible owners' names that no such numbers exist and there are no such telephone owners.

The Americans have a highly sophisticated "call-chaining" technology that will help trace the entire sequence and chain of telephone calls made through satellite. India also possesses the telecommunications technology, but the US-based system is more advanced.

The Lashkar e Tayiba's senior operative, Yousuf Muzamil, who masterminded the Taj Mahal hotel [Images] operation, had coordinated the logistics with the help of Yahya Mujahideen [Images] who is based in Bangladesh.

The US is expected to help India get more names through "call chaining" technology.

India, however, needs to fine-tune the evidence gathered so far in Mumbai.

"America could be a positive help," said the source.

More important, it is felt, is to apprise the US about the anger and anguish within India which can't be ignored by any government.

India rushes Menon to brief Obama

 

[magreen]

Absolutely revolting news. My sorrow for the Indian people, Americans, British, Jews (of all countries), and other good people whose lives were taken by these ghouls.

A new approach needs to be formed against Islamic terror. Treating it as a fringe, fundamentalist element within Islam is a failed and factually incorrect approach. It is not an extremist fringe. It is close to mainstream. While there is a definite peace-loving group of people within Islam, there is a large plurality (perhaps even a majority, it's hard to determine) of Muslims who either commit terror atrocities, support terror through funding and other means, educate their followers to hate, incite to violence, or harbor and otherwise aid terrorists. Islam is no longer just a religion. Any Islamic group must be treated like a hate group, such as the KKK or the neo-Nazis, whose actions, publications, and meetings are watched, investigated and monitored by law enforcement, often undercover. Those peace-loving Muslims who want to escape the stigma of a hate group must repudiate, in a substantive way, their hatemongering extremist brethren and show themselves to be peace loving.

This method I'm advancing is not new. It is not unconstitutional. It is currently employed against the KKK, white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and other hate groups. Hate speech and incitement to hatred and violence are crimes, and being part of a major religion is not carte blanche to flaunt the law. A free democracy does not have to sit idly by and tolerate Islamic extremism, not within its borders and not without.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: magreen
Absolutely revolting news. My sorrow for the Indian people, Americans, British, Jews (of all countries), and other good people whose lives were taken by these ghouls.

A new approach needs to be formed against Islamic terror. Treating it as a fringe, fundamentalist element within Islam is a failed and factually incorrect approach. It is not an extremist fringe. It is close to mainstream. While there is a definite peace-loving group of people within Islam, there is a large plurality (perhaps even a majority, it's hard to determine) of Muslims who either commit terror atrocities, support terror through funding and other means, educate their followers to hate, incite to violence, or harbor and otherwise aid terrorists. Islam is no longer just a religion. Any Islamic group must be treated like a hate group, such as the KKK or the neo-Nazis, whose actions, publications, and meetings are watched, investigated and monitored by law enforcement, often undercover. Those peace-loving Muslims who want to escape the stigma of a hate group must repudiate, in a substantive way, their hatemongering extremist brethren and show themselves to be peace loving.

This method I'm advancing is not new. It is not unconstitutional. It is currently employed against the KKK, white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and other hate groups. Hate speech and incitement to hatred and violence are crimes, and being part of a major religion is not carte blanche to flaunt the law. A free democracy does not have to sit idly by and tolerate Islamic extremism, not within its borders and not without.

Yeah I'm sure the US or any other country has the authority or power to go around forcing a billion Muslims to abide by those policies. This forum is full of morons. Reality is that out of a billion followers, even if 10 million of them are extremists and committing acts of terror throughout the world based on their own twisted views, it is a very very tiny fraction of the overall number of Muslims. The Muslim majority owes no apologies or explanations to anyone. Militarily, if they are smart they will just form military agreements with each other and start passing around Iranian missile tech + beloved patriot nukes to protect themselves from morons like magreen and others.

If they could actually accomplish that much, then they could focus on the terror problem and hopefully dismantle those movements altogether. The Muslim world is a large and complex one for sure and I think the problems they face can be solved from within. However, continual war waged against their countries will only exacerbate the problem.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: magreen
Absolutely revolting news. My sorrow for the Indian people, Americans, British, Jews (of all countries), and other good people whose lives were taken by these ghouls.

A new approach needs to be formed against Islamic terror. Treating it as a fringe, fundamentalist element within Islam is a failed and factually incorrect approach. It is not an extremist fringe. It is close to mainstream. While there is a definite peace-loving group of people within Islam, there is a large plurality (perhaps even a majority, it's hard to determine) of Muslims who either commit terror atrocities, support terror through funding and other means, educate their followers to hate, incite to violence, or harbor and otherwise aid terrorists. Islam is no longer just a religion. Any Islamic group must be treated like a hate group, such as the KKK or the neo-Nazis, whose actions, publications, and meetings are watched, investigated and monitored by law enforcement, often undercover. Those peace-loving Muslims who want to escape the stigma of a hate group must repudiate, in a substantive way, their hatemongering extremist brethren and show themselves to be peace loving.

This method I'm advancing is not new. It is not unconstitutional. It is currently employed against the KKK, white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and other hate groups. Hate speech and incitement to hatred and violence are crimes, and being part of a major religion is not carte blanche to flaunt the law. A free democracy does not have to sit idly by and tolerate Islamic extremism, not within its borders and not without.

Yeah I'm sure the US or any other country has the authority or power to go around forcing a billion Muslims to abide by those policies. This forum is full of morons. Reality is that out of a billion followers, even if 10 million of them are extremists and committing acts of terror throughout the world based on their own twisted views, it is a very very tiny fraction of the overall number of Muslims. The Muslim majority owes no apologies or explanations to anyone. Militarily, if they are smart they will just form military agreements with each other and start passing around Iranian missile tech + beloved patriot nukes to protect themselves from morons like magreen and others.

If they could actually accomplish that much, then they could focus on the terror problem and hopefully dismantle those movements altogether. The Muslim world is a large and complex one for sure and I think the problems they face can be solved from within. However, continual war waged against their countries will only exacerbate the problem.

But how? Kill/arrest the top leaders (head of the snake so to speak)? Set up intelligence to intercept as much info as we can about them? Freeze bank accounts we know about?

Wait. We've tried that. So how would you do this? Gangs/terrorists/<insert word here> always have been and always will be part of ANY society. We will never be rid of them. They are too dynamic to dismantle. Sure we may harm them, but they reform with new names, leadership, etc. To think it will be any other way is naive at best.