Asus P8Z68-V Pro fan stalling

Binky

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My otherwise perfect P8Z68-V Pro has a serious problem keeping a certain fan running. I've only seen this issue on one of the 3 pin ports and I didn't try the others. My 120mm fan attached to my video card just suddenly stops, consistently, until i go into the Fan Expert program and change the setting(s). It doesn't matter what I do with the fan settings, it eventually stops spinning. It always starts once I change anything in that fan's settings, then press apply.

Tried:
* Checked that the fan always starts on boot (it does)
* New fan - same issue, it just stops
* different fan profile(s) - same issue, can set to 100% and it still stops
* Updated firmware to 606

Haven't tried:
* Verified that coming out of sleep isn't the issue (I'm pretty sure it's stopped w/o sleeping)
* Another fan port (yeah yeah, I'm lazy)

I just gave up and stuck it on a 4 pin connection and let it run full speed all the time. It would be nice to have the ability to control the speed profile based on cpu temps but I'm not going to hassle with it anymore.

Has anybody seen this issue?
 

BonzaiDuck

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My otherwise perfect P8Z68-V Pro has a serious problem keeping a certain fan running. I've only seen this issue on one of the 3 pin ports and I didn't try the others. My 120mm fan attached to my video card just suddenly stops, consistently, until i go into the Fan Expert program and change the setting(s). It doesn't matter what I do with the fan settings, it eventually stops spinning. It always starts once I change anything in that fan's settings, then press apply.

Tried:
* Checked that the fan always starts on boot (it does)
* New fan - same issue, it just stops
* different fan profile(s) - same issue, can set to 100% and it still stops
* Updated firmware to 606

Haven't tried:
* Verified that coming out of sleep isn't the issue (I'm pretty sure it's stopped w/o sleeping)
* Another fan port (yeah yeah, I'm lazy)

I just gave up and stuck it on a 4 pin connection and let it run full speed all the time. It would be nice to have the ability to control the speed profile based on cpu temps but I'm not going to hassle with it anymore.

Has anybody seen this issue?

This seems a tad confusing. You say you have a 120mm fan attached to your video card? Is this the proprietary fan that comes with the card, or is this your custom choice of a fan to put on an aftermarket VGA cooler? And which fan-plug were you using? Was it the Chassis-Fan 1 or the Chassis-fan 2? What is the start voltage and running amperage for the fan?

I have the same board. You can use a single fan with amperage less than 1.0A off the CPU_FAN. I don't know what happens if you do that, and then stick a fan on the CPU_OPTION_FAN plug. My two CPU fan plugs are used by Noctua fans drawing a total of about 0.20A total. My CHASSIS-FAN 1 draws close to 0.5A. When I connect a fan on CHASSIS-FAN2, the rpms reported in monitoring software are erratic. If the fan has an amperage draw of 0.7A, it won't start.
 

Binky

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It's a low speed 120mm fan zip tied to an Accelero S1 (GPU cooler). It was connected to the Cha-2 3 pin connector. Like you, I had odd readings on the RPMs from that connection but I didn't try another.

I think we're on to something. Two boards with odd readings seems to suggest that there's an issue, at least on that fan plug.

It isn't a problem with the start voltage, since both fans that I tried started fine when the computer booted, and they also both started fine when I changed anything in the fan profile. I also just remembered that the fan RPM readings were in the 1200 range even when the fan was stopped entirely. It seems like the board is trying to slow the fan down, but its getting incorrect RPM readings. This leads the board to repeatedly drop the fan voltage (all the way down to zero).
 
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BonzaiDuck

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It's a low speed 120mm fan zip tied to an Accelero S1 (GPU cooler). It was connected to the Cha-2 3 pin connector. Like you, I had odd readings on the RPMs from that connection but I didn't try another.

I think we're on to something. Two boards with odd readings seems to suggest that there's an issue, at least on that fan plug.

It isn't a problem with the start voltage, since both fans that I tried started fine when the computer booted, and they also both started fine when I changed anything in the fan profile. I also just remembered that the fan RPM readings were in the 1200 range even when the fan was stopped entirely. It seems like the board is trying to slow the fan down, but its getting incorrect RPM readings. This leads the board to repeatedly drop the fan voltage (all the way down to zero).

This had always been the problem with mid-range boards. That is, there were either two few fan plugs, or control was inadequate. I may have had my mind on something else when I stumbled onto this problem, so I didn't spend enough time with it.

In my rig, a Noctua-NH-D14 is installed with both the accompanying Noctua fans, each plugged to CPU-Fan and Opt-CPU-Fan respectively -- a total of 0.20A @12V. CHA-fan 1 has an NMB-MAT Panaflo 120mmx38mm -- the exhaust fan -- at about 0.46A @ 12V. Previously, a 140mm x25mm fan -- something in excess of 0.25A -- was [providing intake at 1,500rpm, but even with that the tach readings are erratic as it was connected to CHA-Fan 2. I hadn't paid much attention to this until I wanted to thermally control a 0.70A NZXT 200 x 30mm intake fan to match thermal control of the Panaflo, and chose to hook it up to the CHA-FAN 2 plug. It wouldn't start.

With previous ASUS boards I'd had, there was a fan spec for the motherboard plugs that gave the total allowable amperage draw, and while the spec stated a maximum amps per fan (an average), any distribution might work if the total was in spec. But even this left something to be desired, because only certain plugs fell under Q-Fan control and the others ran at a % of top fan speed or amperage that you would set in the BIOS.

And that description fit only a top-end motherboard I bought. Other, mid-range boards allowed for thermal control of the CPU-fan only.

nVIDIA promoted something called ESA which worked with nVidia motherboards, and you could buy a Silverstone Commander controller with USB link to the computer. It came with sensors, and you could either set any of four or five fans at a fixed percentage of top speed on any one of them, or link them to a profile of speed and temperature. One accessed the controller setup through the nVidia software. It was as good as I ever remember. But these boards we have use Intel chipsets.

I might venture a guess that the total amperage allowable on the P8Z68 fan ports is insufficient. If that is the case, we're lucky to have thermal control of the CPU fan and the CHA-FAN 1, but I could wish for more.

I'm window-shopping fan-controllers which are software-configured and totally automatic. The ones you would want -- using their own microprocessor and temperature sensors -- are pricey.

I don't like manual controllers; don't need a glitzy front-panel with bar-graphs, knobs and buttons. And this is a P-I-T-A because it costs more and adds additional equipment and complexity. I either spend the money and add the extra circuitry and software, or settle for running at least two case fans directly from the PSU. I may do the latter if I can just deaden the white-noise from turbulence on the NZXT fan(s). On the upside, those things are rated at 166 CFM for airflow on each unit.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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Here is an excerpt from a website [my630i.com] and forum-page caught up in my trolling net as the first item returned by the search string "Does nVidia ESA work with Intel Chipsets:"

Could you please create a sig so we can see your current setup?

I think I already know the problem, but I just want to be sure. Are you using an ATI or an Nvidia graphics card? Yes, this makes a difference.

Because the P5Q Pro is an Intel chipset based motherboard. In order for Nvidia ESA Performance tools to work, you MUST have either an Nvidia Nforce chipset (I believe 650i SLI or higher) or an Nvidia Geforce OR Quadro Graphics card. Otherwise it will not work.

And besides ESA, there is no other program you can use that will work with the aftermarket motherboard. There are only 2 programs anyway, which are ESA Tools and AlienFX, but AlienFX needs the stock motherboard to work.

I love my nVidia graphics board even more now, and it's only the 570 GTX . . .
 
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