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Asus P4B266 Review (Intel i845D, DDR Pentium 4)
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Ey that thing aint too shabby at all 
I will keep my eye on the P4B266.. my P2B really is due for a deserved retirement.
I will keep my eye on the P4B266.. my P2B really is due for a deserved retirement.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I am REALLY tired of waiting on a decent chipset from Intel! My poor old Asus P2B-LS has been banging away for almost 2 1/2 years now (and 3 CPUs, starting with a lowly 266 Cerlery OCed to 412). I think it needs to be retired soon and that P4B266 looks to be a very nice board to replace it. Of course, if the P4B333 comes out soon enough, welll...
Why did it take Intel sooooo long to put out a good replacement for the 440BX??? The 850 is nice if you can stand the hit on RDRAM memory prices. I shudder when I remember the 810, 820, 815 (although the 815 was eventually worked into a decent chipset, but not one good enough for an upgrade from my 440BX). And yes, I do work at Intel, but no one I asked could answer WHY there was such a long time between decent chipsets.
Why did it take Intel sooooo long to put out a good replacement for the 440BX??? The 850 is nice if you can stand the hit on RDRAM memory prices. I shudder when I remember the 810, 820, 815 (although the 815 was eventually worked into a decent chipset, but not one good enough for an upgrade from my 440BX). And yes, I do work at Intel, but no one I asked could answer WHY there was such a long time between decent chipsets.
<< I don't know about the rest of you, but I am REALLY tired of waiting on a decent chipset from Intel! >>
Yep, they sure seem to take their own sweet time. Regarding BX's successor, Intel did need to reverse course pretty quickly once the industry refused to migrate to Rambust....and they rather dropped the ball with the MTH fiasco.
It's really pretty simple: listen to your customers first, shareholders second. Set ego aside and just do what's best.
Not many benchmarks, and in general a pretty poor review. However, from the benchs posted, it looks like an ASUS P4B266 is on par with the SiS 645 + DDR266 boards (looking at the Rambus scores). We still need a review from Anand and company to get some better results.
Here's my take, I think that the cost of Rambus is greatly exaggerated. So, the only DDR solution that I will buy is one that outperforms 850(e). So, for me, the performance of 845-B (at the moment) is not satisfactory. I will buy DDR for P4, but only if it's faster, and Sis 645 is faster with DDR333 so we'll see, but for now, I'll stick with recommending SiS 645+DDR333. But, IMO I think that the picture will shift back to RDRAM next year when 533fsb is released because PC2700 will simply not be able to compete with PC1066 RDRAM on the 533fsb (Also keep in mind that latency is greatly decreased on PC1066 when compared to PC800)
But, IMO I think that the picture will shift back to RDRAM next year when 533fsb is released because PC2700 will simply not be able to compete with PC1066 RDRAM on the 533fsb (Also keep in mind that latency is greatly decreased on PC1066 when compared to PC800).
Until QDR comes out, remember.
Until QDR comes out, remember.
Well, I'm not so sure about QBM. I guess I need more info to consider ti. QDR may make a difference, we;ll just have to wait and see
But, IMO I think that the picture will shift back to RDRAM next year when 533fsb is released because PC2700 will simply not be able to compete with PC1066 RDRAM on the 533fsb (Also keep in mind that latency is greatly decreased on PC1066 when compared to PC800)
I think the decreased latency will give the RDRAM based setups a nice push, but I am wondering up to which point the P4 is bandwith limited. What's the guesstimate on that?
I think the decreased latency will give the RDRAM based setups a nice push, but I am wondering up to which point the P4 is bandwith limited. What's the guesstimate on that?
Well, I'd read Ace Hardware's DRDRAM article. They bench mark a modified P4T with PC1066 RDRAM. You got from 7-11% speed increase.
Hmmm...that's a nice looking board. Typical stuff from ASUS. I'm sure the guys over at RAMBUS are starting to sweat. Even with PC1066 most OEMs and certainly a good chunk of the enthusiast market will jump on DDR rather than RDRAM. Increases in the price of SDRAM should bring greater parity between RDRAM and DDR, but will it be enough?
Increases in the price of SDRAM should bring greater parity between RDRAM and DDR, but will it be enough?
That's assuming RDRAM stays at the price level it's at right now. Of course, RAM prices change almost every day, so RDRAM could easily be more expensive tomorrow, or the other way around.
However, my prediction is that RDRAM prices will start to go up significantly from their current price levels once Intel establishes it's SDRAM and DDR i845 markets next year. Because the demand and usage of RDRAM will be very tiny next year (compared to today that is), simple economics says that the less there is of a commodity and/or the less demand there is for a commodity (RDRAM in this case), the higher the per-unit production cost (and therefore, it's retail price) will tend to be.
That's assuming RDRAM stays at the price level it's at right now. Of course, RAM prices change almost every day, so RDRAM could easily be more expensive tomorrow, or the other way around.
However, my prediction is that RDRAM prices will start to go up significantly from their current price levels once Intel establishes it's SDRAM and DDR i845 markets next year. Because the demand and usage of RDRAM will be very tiny next year (compared to today that is), simple economics says that the less there is of a commodity and/or the less demand there is for a commodity (RDRAM in this case), the higher the per-unit production cost (and therefore, it's retail price) will tend to be.
Now what i want to see is benches with PC1066 and PC2700, running on the P4 with 133*4 FSB that will be intresting
My prediction is Rambus prices should drop significantly within 6-8 months. Samsung is saying that its new PC1066 process will significantly reduce the cost of making Rdram. Rambus knows it isnt making market share with RDRam, common sense dictates a price drop when technology allows. I imagine you may see a split between the slightly slower PC1066 ram and the better and more expensive stuff.
RE: QDR ram- is it on a roadmap and if so for when?. PC1066 will be out by Q2 02 at the latest, PC 1200 by the end of that year.
I have no love at all for the Rambus company, but their ram still has a lot of potential
RE: QDR ram- is it on a roadmap and if so for when?. PC1066 will be out by Q2 02 at the latest, PC 1200 by the end of that year.
I have no love at all for the Rambus company, but their ram still has a lot of potential
RE: QDR ram- is it on a roadmap and if so for when?. PC1066 will be out by Q2 02 at the latest, PC 1200 by the end of that year.
Yup, look here. Looks like QDR will follow after DDR333 technology. It's also very interesting to note that PC1600 (which is simply RAM running at 100MHz, but doubled to 200MHz through DDR technology) will succeed PC2700 (or DDR333). However, the PC1600 that will succeed PC2700 will be 100MHz RAM quadrupled to 400MHz RAM through QDR technology (which I guess will be called PC3200 QDR RAM).
It looks like QDR will breath yet more life into the good old SDRAM technology.
Really interesting stuff!
Yup, look here. Looks like QDR will follow after DDR333 technology. It's also very interesting to note that PC1600 (which is simply RAM running at 100MHz, but doubled to 200MHz through DDR technology) will succeed PC2700 (or DDR333). However, the PC1600 that will succeed PC2700 will be 100MHz RAM quadrupled to 400MHz RAM through QDR technology (which I guess will be called PC3200 QDR RAM).
It looks like QDR will breath yet more life into the good old SDRAM technology.
Really interesting stuff!
<< Now what i want to see is benches with PC1066 and PC2700, running on the P4 with 133*4 FSB that will be intresting >>
PC1066 will beat it badly. PC1066 will fully use the 4.2GB/ps of bandy on the 533fsb, while PC2700 will be far behind. This is why I think that the only thing keeping RDRAM from taking the lead next year is QBM! We'll see, until more details emerge about QBM. I think that RDRAM will take the lead next year when 533fsb comes, don't get me wrong. QBM sounds very promising, but it's like comparing KT266A to SiS 745. We have seen how good KT266A has done, but we haven't seen how SiS 745 has done. 745 looks promising but no benchys yet. Same thing, PC1066 has been tested and the results are there with 533fsb, but we haven't seen weather there are other issues to be ironed out for QBM. You see my point?
How in the world do you figure PC1066 will use "all" of the theoretical bandwidth it is capable of? That just isn't realistic. Not with PC800 topping out at ~50% on i850. Even with the bump to 133MHz FSB, we aren't going to see anywhere near 100% bandwidth utilization.
I think PC2700 and PC1066 will run a lot closer than you and many others are foreshadowing. Remember that bandwidth alone isn't the only factor in performance. And yes, I realize that as RDRAM ramps up clock, latency improves.
I think PC2700 and PC1066 will run a lot closer than you and many others are foreshadowing. Remember that bandwidth alone isn't the only factor in performance. And yes, I realize that as RDRAM ramps up clock, latency improves.
<< PC1066 will beat it badly. PC1066 will fully use the 4.2GB/ps of bandy on the 533fsb, while PC2700 will be far behind. >>
I wouldnt bet on it. Lets wait for the reviews/benches and see. But if im going to guess i would think that they will probably perform on pair on most benches and better then each other on some.
I wouldnt bet on it. Lets wait for the reviews/benches and see. But if im going to guess i would think that they will probably perform on pair on most benches and better then each other on some.
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