igor_kavinski
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That's incredibly frustrating that some boards are getting BIOS updates while others aren't. And AMD artificially limiting CPU support. That's so not AMD of them.
AMD has stopped blocking CPU support, albeit recently. I think that may be why this BIOS was just posted. See this article. https://www.anandtech.com/show/17313/ryzen-7-5800x3d-launches-april-20th-plus-6-new-low-mid-range-ryzen-chipsThat's incredibly frustrating that some boards are getting BIOS updates while others aren't. And AMD artificially limiting CPU support. That's so not AMD of them.
Can you please provide an example of a board from ASUS and MSI each, so I know what feature to look for?Many recent mid-range and high end boards support some form of bootless BIOS flashing, in which case you would not need a CPU to update that board.
Ok. https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-X570-ACE/Specification here is my board, note that it lists a Flash BIOS button under the back panel ports, with a designated USB port to insert the drive with the update file.Can you please provide an example of a board from ASUS and MSI each, so I know what feature to look for?
Shouldn't be necessary. So long as there is Vermeer support, it should boot okay. It may not detect the CPU properly without an update, but it should at least boot so you can update the BIOS. The X3D is nothing more then a high cache version of the regular 5800X, so at worst the extra cache might be disabled. Since AMD has pretty good access to their own product road map, basic X3D support may already be hiding in there.Someone currently not on AMD looking at getting 5800X3D has what choice exactly? Do I have to get a B450/B550/X570 mobo with a cheap AMD CPU to update the BIOS to the latest version supporting 5800X3D?
Many recent mid-range and high end boards support some form of bootless BIOS flashing, in which case you would not need a CPU to update that board. Intel as well has had this for a while now on many boards.
What happened when it didn't recognize the Athlon? Gave some error message to update BIOS? Or gave error message that it did not recognize the CPU but allowed to boot anyway?My A320M-K didn't come with support for the Athlon 200GE either, but it booted just fine on the factory Raven BIOS it shipped with. Just didn't recognise the Athlon properly at first boot.
Just gave it an "Unknown CPU" moniker, but that was about it from what I remember. Admittedly I didn't try booting the Windows installer, so I have no idea how that would turn out. Just updated the BIOS, and everything ran flawlessly from there.What happened when it didn't recognize the Athlon? Gave some error message to update BIOS? Or gave error message that it did not recognize the CPU but allowed to boot anyway?
Not completely, as of today, Cezanne is still blocked on the 300 series. We have to wait for Agesa 1.2.0.7 to see if the limitation is lifted.AMD has stopped blocking CPU support
This is a fair point, I forgot about the Cezanne, that it is not supported yet though Renoir is. Interestingly, the article does not mention if Cezanne will be supported or not, just that the 5000 series Ryzens will be. So does that mean all the Ryzen 5000s, or just the ones without GPUs?Not completely, as of today, Cezanne is still blocked on the 300 series. We have to wait for Agesa 1.2.0.7 to see if the limitation is lifted.
But all other cpus should be supported on the 300 series, but it depends on OEM to provide bios for the boards. Gigabyte has been the best for that, Asus, MSI and Asrock are yet to provide bios updates for B350s, and some even lack X370 bios too.
I must say that every Gigabyte board CPU support I've checked so far (A320,A520,B450,B550) has the 5800X3D listed as supported.Gigabyte has been the best for that.
The info for now is no Cezanne for 300 series, that includes the ones whiout igpu like the 5500, but that may change silently on 1.2.0.7.This is a fair point, I forgot about the Cezanne, that it is not supported yet though Renoir is. Interestingly, the article does not mention if Cezanne will be supported or not, just that the 5000 series Ryzens will be. So does that mean all the Ryzen 5000s, or just the ones without GPUs?
I have heard they dont work just yet, maybe the tables were updated before the new bios came out. That would make sence because Vermeer on B350/x370 was agesa blocked on 1.2.0.5 and 1.2.0.6.It looks like Gigabyte has supported zen3 chips since december 2021 for my x370 mobo, the GA-AX370-Gaming K7 rev. 1.0.
Looks like they want you to update to earlier bios versions first if you haven't already though. Something to watch out for.
All Gigabyte AGESA v2 1.2.0.5 releases for their B350/X370 don't POST Vermeer nor Cezanne. Only Renoir.It looks like Gigabyte has supported zen3 chips since december 2021 for my x370 mobo, the GA-AX370-Gaming K7 rev. 1.0.
Looks like they want you to update to earlier bios versions first if you haven't already though. Something to watch out for.
Too bad those boards STILL can't run a 2200G sucessfully...Just found out my AB350M Pro4 got the 1207 update (BIOS 7.20). So update time it is. Now my 1700 is running with Above 4G Decoding and Resize BAR (SAM) enabled. I didn't think an old Polaris card (Radeon Pro WX2100) was supported, but apparently it is.
Now who says you can't teach an old Ryzen new tricks?![]()