Asus Dropping Windows RT in Favor of Intel Based Windows 8

Ventanni

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Tom's Hardware had a little article on Asus dropping Windows RT in favor of Intel based Windows 8, and I can't help but contemplate a little that maybe the eventual death of Windows RT will actually be the best thing that happened for Microsoft?

Source - http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Windows-RT-Asus-VivoTab-RT-Support,23847.html

I had the chance to really use a Surface RT tablet for a few days after one of my co-workers left hers at work. She didn't want it to get stolen by the cleaning crew, so she asked me to bring it home with me instead. I asked if I could check it out for a little while and she was fine, so, I did!

Needless to say, having used an iPad extensively, I have to say that the Surface RT tablet is one fine, fine piece of hardware. The UI is very smooth. The screen is actually quite nice. It definitely feels very well built. The battery life isn't spectacular, but after using an iPad 2, that's pretty hard to beat anyways. Everything was very smooth, very quick, and even video Flash playback was absolutely flawless (even at 1080p...and yes I know the screen is nowhere near 1080p...it was just that smooth).

But my favorite thing to do is watch Starcraft 2 matches, and as I proceeded to the app store to download the TwitchTV app, I realized the #1 glaring flaw of the Windows RT platform. Where are the apps man? I was able to get around this simply by going online and streaming through the browser (something the Windows RT tablet does phenomenally better than the iPad 2 or even the first gen Kindle Fire), but I couldn't help by notice the glaring lack of applications to choose from. I mean, they were there, but I didn't see anything that really popped out at me. As a generalization, it was like having to wait for someone to make a third party app just to get on Facebook.

So I have to ask, why would Microsoft go on to develop something that goes against the last 25 years of work they've strived so hard to build? The entire concept of using Windows for any program application of your choosing is no different than going to the iTunes or the Google Play store to download an application. They're the ecosystems of the product, and without them, regardless of the internals and the hardware inside, they might as well be paperweights. It's like Microsoft came into the tablet world without limbs, teeth, or hair to defend themselves with.

I get that you can't run Windows 8 (x86) on ARM chips, but ironically after almost exactly a year after its introduction, the hardware to support a high grade, high quality tablets like the Surface RT/Pro is now available.

When I read this article and Asus coming out saying they're dropping support for Windows RT, I can't help but feel that it's really the best thing for Microsoft in the long run. Whether we like it or not, Windows is already the #1 application ecosystem in the world. Stop trying to reinvent that and make a product that provides a unique experience in utilizing that. Windows 8 may not be the greatest desktop OS ever made in terms of user experience, but it's a fantastic tablet/touchscreen OS for sure.

In closing, I hope the third generation of Surface tablets drop the Windows RT system entirely in favor of x86 hardware. Silvermont Atom cores or AMD Temash 2.0 could satisfy the low end, while Haswell could dominate the Surface Pro sales. As long as Microsoft focuses on incorporating it's ecosystem strength into the tablet's design, it should no doubt be a really great product.
 

jpiniero

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It makes sense for ASUS to drop Windows RT since it's so uncompetitive with Android. OTOH, Desktop apps don't work on a tablet, so RT not supporting them doesn't mean much.
 

88keys

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x86 based CPUs will most likely be the future trend for tablets and smartphones soon after.
 

Ravynmagi

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My opinion of the Surface RT is considerably harsher. I guess it might stack up okay to a two year old iPad. But unfortunately the tablet was released late 2012 and it didn't stack up at all with an iPad 4 or Nexus 10. The resolution was disappointing, the Tegra 3 was already pretty old and I think the performance decidedly unsatisfactory. And I did not like the squared design, too many uncomfortable corners. It is solidly built with nice materials, but clearly felt like a first generation product with lots of mistakes.

It sounds like Microsoft isn't done with Windows RT yet, even if everyone else is. I think we will see a second generation Surface RT. Windows 8.1 should help it out. Rumors are it'll have an S800, so this time Microsoft is putting in a good SoC that is near the beginning of it's life and not the end, so it should hold up longer. With the scaling improvements in Windows 8.1 and the much better SoC, I imagine Microsoft will give us a higher resolution display.

I'm still not sure what place Windows RT has though. I think the S800 might be a better processor than the current Atoms (not completely sure on that), but Bay Trail is arriving at the end of the year and Intel says we'll see some pretty cheap Atom tablets before the years over. So what advantage would Windows RT tablets give us over Windows 8 tablets with Bay Trail? I really can't think of any. So why give up the ability to run desktop apps?

My ideal Windows tablet would be running Windows 8, have an 8 inch 1920x1200 (yes 16:10 please, 16:9 is too narrow for a tablet) display, and follow the design queues from the Nexus 7, iPad mini, and Galaxy Note 8, thin portrait bezels with a grippable landscape bezel.
 

jpiniero

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x86 based CPUs will most likely be the future trend for tablets and smartphones soon after.

We'll see, but at this point MS can't take it for granted that will happen.

So what advantage would Windows RT tablets give us over Windows 8 tablets with Bay Trail

Presumably, RT would be cheaper, especially when you factor in that an RT license is less (?)
 

Ravynmagi

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Presumably, RT would be cheaper, especially when you factor in that an RT license is less (?)

Yeah, in theory you would think so. But I haven't really seen that happen yet. Surface RT started at $500. ASUS and Acer also released $500 Windows 8 tablets. And then Acer even launched at $350 Windows 8 tablet (even though it wasn't any good).

ASUS made a $300 budget 10 inch Android tablet. Not sure why ASUS didn't do something similar with Windows RT. Instead they launched a semi premium Windows RT tablet for $600 and lost money on that bad decision. They should have just used the same hardware (with a Windows button) and slapped Windows RT on it and sold it for $350 (not sure how much the Windows RT license is) and had this released last fall/winter it might have done a better at that price.

A $300 to $350 Windows RT tablet might have been worth a gamble. But $500 to $600 on Windows RT. It's no wonder everyone lost their shirts.
 

386DX

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It's no surprise that Asus would drop Windows RT, with cheap and powerful Atom CPUs coming out there's really no price range for RT but in the smaller/cheaper tablet. That in itself becomes a problem because RT is marketed as a platform for tablet users that also want to be productive but you really can't get work done with the smaller screen.

I hate to say this but MS needs to do what Google did and merge Windows Phone and RT together. Since phones are getting larger to near tablet size this might not be such a bad idea. It would also help developers not have to write an app for RT, 8, and Windows Phone. Remember how bad the marketplace for Android tablet was during the Honeycomb period? After the merge with ICS you saw the app rate skyrocket as developers only had to write one version of the app. A stretched phone app running on a tablet size screen is better then no app running on a tablet size screen.
 

dagamer34

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Yeah, in theory you would think so. But I haven't really seen that happen yet. Surface RT started at $500. ASUS and Acer also released $500 Windows 8 tablets. And then Acer even launched at $350 Windows 8 tablet (even though it wasn't any good).

ASUS made a $300 budget 10 inch Android tablet. Not sure why ASUS didn't do something similar with Windows RT. Instead they launched a semi premium Windows RT tablet for $600 and lost money on that bad decision. They should have just used the same hardware (with a Windows button) and slapped Windows RT on it and sold it for $350 (not sure how much the Windows RT license is) and had this released last fall/winter it might have done a better at that price.

A $300 to $350 Windows RT tablet might have been worth a gamble. But $500 to $600 on Windows RT. It's no wonder everyone lost their shirts.

Because once you have enough Metro apps and no longer desire to have the desktop, RT makes more sense than Windows 8 for the average person that today can live on an iPad (no one on this forum though).

Windows 8 on a tablet is 100% a PC with all of its faults as well. That means dealing with viruses, malware, screwing up your system, background apps sucking up your battery life, the list goes on an on. The lack of all that crap is what makes an iPad so appealing in the first place, even more so than a Mac which can have similar issues.

RT has a purpose, but it was released before it was ready.
 

sontin

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Surface RT is killing the market for OEMs. Makes sense for Asus to stop the support for RT as long as Microsoft is selling their own tablet with it.
 

Red Storm

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Not surprising in the least. RT was a complete failure. And I myself would never get the Pro because the last thing I want is a complete Windows and all the bloat and headaches that come with that on my mobile device.
 

Bateluer

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x86 based CPUs will most likely be the future trend for tablets and smartphones soon after.


Just keep in mind that Intel's been saying 'Wait for the next generation of our mobile CPUs, they'll deliver what we promised!' for 3 or 4 generations now. And so far, their most prominent design win is highly budget oriented Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1. Its outspecced, out performed, and out designed by half a dozen other tablets.
 

lothar

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Yeah, in theory you would think so. But I haven't really seen that happen yet. Surface RT started at $500. ASUS and Acer also released $500 Windows 8 tablets. And then Acer even launched at $350 Windows 8 tablet (even though it wasn't any good).

ASUS made a $300 budget 10 inch Android tablet. Not sure why ASUS didn't do something similar with Windows RT. Instead they launched a semi premium Windows RT tablet for $600 and lost money on that bad decision. They should have just used the same hardware (with a Windows button) and slapped Windows RT on it and sold it for $350 (not sure how much the Windows RT license is) and had this released last fall/winter it might have done a better at that price.

A $300 to $350 Windows RT tablet might have been worth a gamble. But $500 to $600 on Windows RT. It's no wonder everyone lost their shirts.
Android license is completely free.
Windows RT license costs $95.

Why is it a surprise to you that ASUS isn't able to release a $300-350 Windows RT tablet that isn't a piece of junk?
 

lopri

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I've heard that Android OEMs have to pony up fees to MS for every Android device they make/sell, due to some sort of patents. XD
 

lothar

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I've heard that Android OEMs have to pony up fees to MS for every Android device they make/sell, due to some sort of patents. XD
Paying $15 to Microsoft for an Android device(tablet/phone/whatever) is still better than paying $95 for a Windows RT tablet license.