Assisted living facility with a "No CPR" policy.

highland145

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Sorry, Grandma, you gotta go.
A 911 dispatcher pleaded with a nurse at a Bakersfield, Calif., senior living facility to save the life of an elderly woman by giving her CPR, but the nurse said policy did not allow her to, according to a newly released audiotape of the call.
“Is there anybody there that’s willing to help this lady and not let her die?” the dispatcher asked in a recording of the 911 call released by the Bakersfield Fire Department.
“Not at this time,” the nurse said.
The incident unfolded on Tuesday when 87-year-old Lorraine Bayless collapsed at Glenwood Gardens, a senior living facility in Bakersfield.
In the seven-minute, 16-second recording, the nurse told the dispatcher it was against the facility’s policy for employees to perform CPR on residents.
With every passing second, Bayless’ chances of survival were diminishing. The dispatcher’s tone turned desperate.
“Anybody there can do CPR. Give them the phone please. I understand if your facility is not willing to do that. Give the phone to that passerby,” the dispatcher said. ”This woman is not breathing enough. She is going to die if we don’t get this started.”
After several minutes, an ambulance arrived and took Bayless to Mercy Southwest Hospital, where she died.
Glenwood Gardens released a statement confirming its policy prohibiting employees from performing CPR.
“In the event of a health emergency at this independent living community, our practice is to immediately call emergency medical personnel for assistance and to wait with the individual needing attention until such personnel arrives. That is the protocol we followed,” the statement said.
Despite protocol being followed, the nursing home said it would launch an internal investigation into the matter.
ABC News’ Ron Claiborne contributed to this report.
Messed up. The nurse on duty was not a medical professional? Wonder if the resident's family members know about the policy?

The link: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...man-dies-after-nurse-refuses-to-give-her-cpr/
 
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Farang

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Usually these types of stories are sensationalist and there is some rationale behind the company policy. In this case I do no understand. CPR training is very simple and takes just a few hours. It's an important tool to buy time for professional responders.

Wonder if the nurse still thinks her $20/hr job is worth more than her conscience.
 

highland145

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Usually these types of stories are sensationalist and there is some rationale behind the company policy. In this case I do no understand. CPR training is very simple and takes just a few hours. It's an important tool to buy time for professional responders.

Wonder if the nurse still thinks her $20/hr job is worth more than her conscience.
The 911 audio is disturbing.
 

lxskllr

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Weird. I could see some logic in that policy if it were based on the philosophy of you "die when you die", but it sounds like it's just corporate bullshit to me. AFAIC, a nurse that can't/won't do CPR isn't a nurse.
 

Exterous

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Messed up. The nurse on duty was not a medical professional? Wonder if the resident's family members know about the policy?

Is this some sort of bizarre attempt to avoid litigation? Or a shady, corner cutting lowest bidder facility?

*makes note of where to send highland145 after moving in next door*
 

highland145

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Is this some sort of bizarre attempt to avoid litigation? Or a shady, corner cutting lowest bidder facility?

*makes note of where to send highland145 after moving in next door*
Not seeing how it could be a cost cutter for the facility. If the patient is dead, the $$ stops coming in..

Death panel v2.0?:whiste:



You could save the air fare to Cali and just move me 100' to the funeral home. Hope you've got a green thumb...your plants, my zombies.
 

IronWing

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The no CPR policy I can understand as long residents are aware of the policy and agree to it. I don't understand having a no resuscitate policy and then calling 911. Make up your mind.
 

Exterous

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Not seeing how it could be a cost cutter for the facility.

Don't pay for CPR training? Don't have to have a well qualified nurse on hand? Or maybe they just don't care that much and its easier to not worry about it. I'm just guessing but I know there are a lot of really bad elderly care facilities out there
 

Bateluer

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Disturbing. But performing CPR on someone that elderly would cause serious side effects, yes?

This assisted living facility . . . is it essentially a place where the extremely old basically go to live out their lives? Hospice care? And are they, or their guardians, aware of the No CPR/Resuscitation policy?
 

surfsatwerk

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I originally read the title as "...no CCR policy", which we can all agree is total bullshit.
 

lxskllr

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The motto is "do no harm." It may be against the person's (or family's) wishes to have them barely clinging onto life for the next few years.

That's fine, but as Ironwing said, you can't have it both ways. Either you fail without intervention, or you do something. Offloading the responsibility on someone else is dereliction of duty.
 

Rakehellion

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That's fine, but as Ironwing said, you can't have it both ways. Either you fail without intervention, or you do something. Offloading the responsibility on someone else is dereliction of duty.

Apparently it's policy. Everyone who lives, works, or sends someone there is aware of this and in agreement.
 

lxskllr

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Apparently it's policy. Everyone who lives, works, or sends someone there is aware of this and in agreement.

Are they? Or is it hidden on page 7 in fine print? Just because something's printed out, and people signed it, doesn't mean it's ethical. Any policy that is longer than one sheet in length is trying to obfuscate the true nature, and screw the person signing.
 

highland145

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This assisted living facility . . . is it essentially a place where the extremely old basically go to live out their lives? Hospice care? And are they, or their guardians, aware of the No CPR/Resuscitation policy?
It appears that they are an assisted living, not a nursing home, so the facility may have done what is "required by law", there's no police investigation and the family isn't blaming the nurse of the facility. Like I said, "Grandma, you gots to go."
 

TraumaRN

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Policy or not as far as I'm concerned this "nurse" has blood on her hands. Of course I'm biased I have dedicated my life to helping and saving lives....that's why I became a NURSE FFS. This woman is a shame to my profession.
Immediate CPR on a witnessed cardiac arrest has high survivability even in the elderly. I'm sorry that company has a shitty policy. Not helping someone like that is just horrid from an ethics/morality standpoint. Do no harm indeed.

Listening to that 911 call just made my insides scream.
 

Genx87

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This is common in assisted living. The nurses on duty are there to give meds, take vitals, address any non-life threatening ailments. If anything major comes up they call emergency personel and are taken to a hospital.

This isnt a nursing home or hospice.
 

Rakehellion

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Are they? Or is it hidden on page 7 in fine print? Just because something's printed out, and people signed it, doesn't mean it's ethical. Any policy that is longer than one sheet in length is trying to obfuscate the true nature, and screw the person signing.

You just invented a story about a mutli-page form and them rambled on about how it's unethical.

Unethical is denying someone's wish to die.
 

Wyndru

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She was probably just a staff member, basically low paid room service who changes sheets. My wife works in a Nursing Home as a consultant and she said this is normal policy for many of the staff.

Probably because of lawsuits resulting from incorrectly performed CPR, and also some people in senior homes specifically have DNR's so if you save their life you are basically breaking their request.
 

lxskllr

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You just invented a story about a mutli-page form and them rambled on about how it's unethical.

Unethical is denying someone's wish to die.

You're inferring as much in the situation as I am. There aren't enough details, and either it's fine, or the owner of the facility should be drawn and quartered. I may not be correct with certainty, but you're not either.
 

waggy

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who fucking cares what her job is. how can a person with a shred of humanity or ethics sit and watch a person die over a fucking job. fuck that women i hope 4chan decides to make her life hell.


The 911 audio is disturbing.

first time i heard it i was shocked. 2nd time i admit i was disgusted and mad.

You can hear the frustration and sense of urgency in the operator's voice. You can also her the lack of care out of the "nurse" calling 911.
 

Rakehellion

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You're inferring as much in the situation as I am. There aren't enough details, and either it's fine, or the owner of the facility should be drawn and quartered. I may not be correct with certainty, but you're not either.

You made up a story. That makes you pretty wrong from an objective standpoint.

DNR is a pretty common policy at these places. Don't like it, don't send your folks there.
 

waggy

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You just invented a story about a mutli-page form and them rambled on about how it's unethical.

Unethical is denying someone's wish to die.

I am all for "living will" type things. But this does not sound like one of those situations. this was a across the board policy of no cpr.

if it is a living will then fine if it says NO CPR then you fallow that.