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Assimilation to Toyota complete...bought Camry SE this weekend

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Wasn't really planning to buy a car, but it sort of worked out that way. 😱

It's my wife's car, traded in a 2006 Malibu Maxx that wasn't aging all that great. Got a pretty reasonable trade in price on the car even given some of the cosmetic stuff (big dent in rear quarter panel..thank you whoever hit me on the side of the street and drove offf), cracked windshield, and a couple other things that added up to decent amount of money.

She went with the 4 cylinder SE in the basic white. Limited options, power seat and floormats. Got the car for basically invoice of $22,200, and mailing in an additional rebate through Edmunds.com on Camry purchases for another $750 back. So right around @ $21,500 for the car.

As for the car itself, I think it's an excellent value for what you pay. The 2.5L I4 in there is very spunky, quiet and gets the car around with very little drama or delay. Transmission is very fast to shift and buttery smooth. It's rated at 25/35 MPG which is pretty good given how well the engine gets the vehicle around.

The SE trim is a very small $500 premium over the base and get a little bit sportier body panels, fog lights, larger & allow rims, and an upgraded interior that has a lot of fake leather on seat edges, backs, ect. It's definitely not leather, but it should be easier to clean up than cloth when kids spill stuff and put their feet on seatbacks, ect.

Steering wheel is one of the nicer ones I've used. Good sized grips at 10 & 2, excellent navigation of the audio system on it, paddle shifters 🙂, and a decent weighting when turning it.

Seats are comfortable, although the leg room for the driver isn't as nice as some other midsizers like the Passat and Altima. I need to really drop the seat bottom to the floor to get my legs under the steering column comfortably. Once situated, even at the lower settings of the seat you are able to see comfortably over the hood. Tall torso'd drivers take note though - this car has a VERY low cabin height. I'm 6' and when sitting in the passenger seat I've maybe got 2" between my head and the roof. And that's without a sunroof. The passenger seat has no height adjustment available.

Driving wise the 4 cylinder gets you around with zero fuss. It really closes the gap on 6 cylinders and would easily suffice an overwhelming number of drivers. At 75MPH it's still purring along at under 2K RPM's. Zero cabin intrusion of the engine noise and it's only really noticable from a dead stop. Wind noise while on the highway is very low and the cabin is fairly quiet from other road noise as well. Still waiting to get through full tank of gas to figure out overall first tank MPG.

Handling is okay for a relatively cheap, family oriented sedan. It drives/feels smaller than it really is, which is good. Well damped, little body lean when taking onramps/exit ramps "spirtitedly". It's no M3 😉 but for the money and family oriented nature, it'll do. 🙂

Toyota has started putting in decent sized touch screen interfaces for all their audio systems with standard bluetooth integration. And I have to say that the pairing and phone integration on this car is excellent. Sound quality is greatly improved over my Sienna of an earlier year and you can add a phone in seconds...instead of minutes like in my Sienna. Once the phone is paired you can browse contacts and recent calls on the screen and tap them to call. Very slick, and no additional cost. You hear that Honda? You don't need to go up to the highest end trips to get it like you do in the Accord. Standard on even the basic LE model. The rest of the interor in the front seat is decent. Plenty of space for coffee mugs, phones, wallets, water bottles, sunglasses, ect. It's also got a sliding arm rest and the widest armrest I've seen in a car. I'm not having an elbow war with my wife on long trips. Dash material is interesting...kind of a stitched leather approach. Kinda cool, but almost trying too hard. Most materials are fine up front, but you can certainly tell the cost cutting Toyota is doing. Door panels on the inside are kinda...mooshy? Same thing with the plastic surround the middle console on the back. It's not early/mid 90's GM bad...but it's not the level of perfection that Toyota had 10-15 years ago either.

Backseat is ok, but it's actually a step back in room from what the Malibu Maxx was. But it was freakishly roomy in the backseat of that thing. But even some of the compacts like the Hyundai elantra have similar space. One thing that helped is an almost flat floor back there. A very small hump maybe an inch or two high. But otherwise no divider creating "wells" in the back seat. Minor annoyance: non-removable headrests in the back seat. Not a huge deal, but I think I'll permanently dent the headrest using the latch hook for my son's rear facing car seat. It depresses the headrest quite a bit.

It's not a perfect car, but for under $22k it's well equipped, comfortable, not a snore to drive, and fairly efficient midsize sedan that you won't entirely hate yourself for buying. 😀

Oh...we are now officially a "Swagger Family". This has a Sienna SE as a stablemate.

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Wait. So your wife drives the Camry and you drive the Sienna?

Turn in your man card naow

j/k 😛

Congrats on the new purchase.
 
Wait. So your wife drives the Camry and you drive the Sienna?

Turn in your man card naow

j/k 😛

Congrats on the new purchase.

Heh. One, I drive half as far a day as she does so it just makes sense. The van gets about 10MPG less. Two, I treat the van half like a truck. Lumber, drywall, pressure washers, trees, table saws, flooring, ect. It's been back there. Only thing that hasn't is dead animals and that's because I haven't been fishing in a while 😛
 
The SE Model Camry is a good choice IMHO. You should get many miles of trouble free service out of it. Congratulations.
 
The SE Model Camry is a good choice IMHO. You should get many miles of trouble free service out of it. Congratulations.

That's the plan. Already told my 4 year old daughter that I hope she likes it and treats it well because it's her car when she turns 16.

()🙂
 
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My dad got one last month, he loves it! The SE is such a bargain at only being 500 more than the base model. Wheels alone would cost 500! Add the sport shift tranny, fog lights, upgraded seat cloth/leather, and the suspension tweaks and you sold me.
 
That's the plan. Already told my 4 year old daughter that I hope she likes it and treats it well because it's her car when she turns 16.

()🙂

By then owning cars will be illegal, and we'll all be ferried along inside electric monorail pods shaped similarly to coffins.
 
We almost bought the Malibu Maxx in 2006 but ended up going with a Mazda6 wagon for the same price (paid about 22K OTD after incentives rebates)

My wife really like the Maxx going into the dealership and I felt it had nice packaging and a decent drivetrain. However, when the interior of a brand new car falls apart in your hand (we're talking still in plastic vehicles in the back...not the ones on the showroom floor) that raises a huge red flag. Cheapo plastic, trim pieces falling off across 3 separate brand new cars.
I still like them though and I did recommend to other to consider it.

I already own a 2002 Camry LE 5spd and you can't get any Camry with a manual transmission so I can honestly say that this Camry will be my last Camry.
 
The Maxx really was an interesting car. It had some very cool things going for it...

One of the only cars to ever have a sliding chair system in the back seat. Leg room was downright incredible in the back. It had overhead sunlights in the back that made it bright and airy for passengers. The back seats reclined. On the back of the armrest was a flip up DVD player that I haven't seen replicated anywhere else. The passenger seat folded down making for almost 9' of flat space once you fold down the back seat. It also had power adjustable gas pedals, the best seat heaters I've ever used, and the trim we bought had remote start included.

It really was an very interesting combination of options and functionality. I actually liked the looks too once you added that little lip spoiler on the hatch.

But it was prone to GM cheapness. Both the side mirrors wobbled when driving. Headlights had the GM wiggle when driving. The electric steering was atrocious and downright dangerous in the snow. There were squeeks and rattles all over the the place. The paint all around the hatch was bubbling and rust was starting to show. The sensor that you use to pop the hatch crapped out and you couldn't open the hatch without using a key fob. Ect.

Just a lot of stuff that I cashed out while I was still ahead. The Crosstour and Venza are the natural replacements of the Maxx, but they are far too expensive for what they are, a bit bloated in dimensions for the actual room they provide, and are not exactly the most fuel efficient things out there.
 
The Maxx really was an interesting car. It had some very cool things going for it...

One of the only cars to ever have a sliding chair system in the back seat. Leg room was downright incredible in the back. It had overhead sunlights in the back that made it bright and airy for passengers. The back seats reclined. On the back of the armrest was a flip up DVD player that I haven't seen replicated anywhere else. The passenger seat folded down making for almost 9' of flat space once you fold down the back seat. It also had power adjustable gas pedals, the best seat heaters I've ever used, and the trim we bought had remote start included.

It really was an very interesting combination of options and functionality. I actually liked the looks too once you added that little lip spoiler on the hatch.

But it was prone to GM cheapness. Both the side mirrors wobbled when driving. Headlights had the GM wiggle when driving. The electric steering was atrocious and downright dangerous in the snow. There were squeeks and rattles all over the the place. The paint all around the hatch was bubbling and rust was starting to show. The sensor that you use to pop the hatch crapped out and you couldn't open the hatch without using a key fob. Ect.

Just a lot of stuff that I cashed out while I was still ahead. The Crosstour and Venza are the natural replacements of the Maxx, but they are far too expensive for what they are, a bit bloated in dimensions for the actual room they provide, and are not exactly the most fuel efficient things out there.


Its a shame about your Maxx.
I think it will make someone really happy in the used car market.
 
First tank of gas is at half tank mark...and it has gotten 300 miles out of that.

Unless the 2nd half is ridiculously off balanced and gets a fraction of that, this is going to be quite an impressive fuel economy. 🙂

It's a 17 gallon tank. I'm sure it'll even improve a bit as it gets broke in. And that was with almost half those miles being at 70+MPH.

No hybrid or diesel MPG, but it was $4,000 cheaper.
 
In general, many cars *do* have a gas gauge in which the "second half" of the tank is lot less than the "first half". Why don't you just refill the tank now so you would *know* the exact mileage you got for this half tank?

I suspect you would be putting in close to 9.5G till fill up, netting you about 32mpg.

- Vikas
 
First tank of gas is at half tank mark...and it has gotten 300 miles out of that.

Unless the 2nd half is ridiculously off balanced and gets a fraction of that, this is going to be quite an impressive fuel economy. 🙂

It's a 17 gallon tank. I'm sure it'll even improve a bit as it gets broke in. And that was with almost half those miles being at 70+MPH.

No hybrid or diesel MPG, but it was $4,000 cheaper.

My CTS-V is ridiculously off balanced. The first half lasts a while, and then it plummets...MR2 is the opposite. When it's full the gauge only goes to ~3/4 and it'll drop to half in short order, but the last quarter lasts a while.
 
First tank of gas is at half tank mark...and it has gotten 300 miles out of that.

Unless the 2nd half is ridiculously off balanced and gets a fraction of that, this is going to be quite an impressive fuel economy. 🙂

It's a 17 gallon tank. I'm sure it'll even improve a bit as it gets broke in. And that was with almost half those miles being at 70+MPH.
Sounds reasonable. I would think halfway on the gauge is probably 10 gallons which works out to 30mpg.
 
I'm kinda of bummed you didn't go for '13 Altima. I wanted to hear how that car is. Not sure if it's out yet though.
Good buy. This is the first Camry I have liked in a while.
 
In general, many cars *do* have a gas gauge in which the "second half" of the tank is lot less than the "first half". Why don't you just refill the tank now so you would *know* the exact mileage you got for this half tank?

I suspect you would be putting in close to 9.5G till fill up, netting you about 32mpg.

- Vikas
This is quite true. I read an article on it some months back. At least Ford, and apparently other manufacturers skew the gauge such that it stays alive longer at the top. I'm sure all of us have noticed that a full tank can still seem totally full even after 30 miles.
I'm kinda of bummed you didn't go for '13 Altima. I wanted to hear how that car is. Not sure if it's out yet though.
Good buy. This is the first Camry I have liked in a while.
It's not yet out.

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Congrats on the new car. Camrys are of course fantastic, though fwiw I think Altima is the best buy out right now in import sedans, they are just so damn cheap.
 
2nd half of the tank ended up being about 5 gallons for a total tank of 450 miles. Right at 30MPG. It was a 70/30 highway/city split and the highway miles were driven pretty hard by me (75+ MPH w/ ac). As it breaks in a bit I hope that goes up a little more along with some more conservative speeds 🙂

I was certainly interested in the Altima but we drove the Camry, really liked how it felt, and the options were perfect for the price. They essentially gave us the car at invoice, gave me a reasonable trade for the condition of my car, and I get another $750 in the mail from Toyota through another rebate program. The numbers just worked.

I really doubt the I4 version of the Altima is going to offer as athletic of handling as the SE trim and I doubt even more I'd get it as well equipped for a similar price as we paid for the Camry. The dealer told us flat out that Toyota was firesaling the Camry's to try and get buyers before the new Altimas, Malibus, and Fusions hit the showrooms. Toyota was also really, really trying to push the SE's (it's $500 over the basic LE) to get more younger buyers interested and improve the "appliance" moniker attached to the brand.

As for what you get in the V6 over the I4...not much other than the engine and bigger, fancier wheels. The 4 more than enough for my wife, and we valued economy over raw performance for this car anyway. The 4 is perfectly servicable and with that very slick 6 speed AT it really clicks through the gears quickly.

That 3.5L in my Sienna is pretty grunty and deceptively quick in a 4000 pound car. I'm sure it runs like a raped ape in a 600 pound less sedan. 😀
 
My dad wanted the SE model with no options later than powers est and all weather floor
Mats.

We got it at exactly the edmunds TMV price. With military and Toyota cash back.

Car MSRPed for 23,900 + TTL and destination

But we got it for 21,725

Edmunds TMV was 21,685
 
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