Asset Forfeiture And Illegal Aliens

[Patranus]

If a citizen illegally makes money and then uses that money to buy assets, not only can the money be seized by the government but also those assets.

An illegal alien working is the United States is (obviously) illegal therefore any income made while working in the United States is the proceeds of a crime should be subject to asset forfeiture laws.

Why are citizens subject to this law yet illegal aliens get off the hook?

 

[soundforbjt]

Ask the people illegally paying their incomes, shouldn't they be included as accessories to the crime?

 

[her209]

Ask the people illegally paying their incomes, shouldn't they be included as accessories to the crime?

And have their assets forfeited and profits confiscated.

 

[soundforbjt]

^^^Exactly what should happen.

 

[bfdd]

And have their assets forfeited and profits confiscated.

sounds fine by me.

 

[BoomerD]

If a citizen illegally makes money and then uses that money to buy assets, not only can the money be seized by the government but also those assets.

An illegal alien working is the United States is (obviously) illegal therefore any income made while working in the United States is the proceeds of a crime should be subject to asset forfeiture laws.

Why are citizens subject to this law yet illegal aliens get off the hook?

I agree with this. ANY illegal immigrant should have any real or personal property seized and sold to help defray the cost incurred while they were in the country...and that of deporting them.

 

[Ausm]

Ask the people illegally paying their incomes, shouldn't they be included as accessories to the crime?

It would be in America's best interest if they started with P-Anus first.

 

[soundforbjt]

I agree with this. ANY illegal immigrant should have any real or personal property seized and sold to help defray the cost incurred while they were in the country...and that of deporting them.

What about the other posts? Those who employ them getting the same treatment?

 

[IBMer]

If a citizen illegally makes money and then uses that money to buy assets, not only can the money be seized by the government but also those assets.

An illegal alien working is the United States is (obviously) illegal therefore any income made while working in the United States is the proceeds of a crime should be subject to asset forfeiture laws.

Why are citizens subject to this law yet illegal aliens get off the hook?

The action has to be illegal, not the person.

 

[Patranus]

The action has to be illegal, not the person.

And the action of working in the United States illegally isn't illegal?

Hrm.

 

[IBMer]

The act they are performing has to be illegal, such as selling drugs. Washing dishes and doing lawnwork is not illegal and thus they are only subject to deportation.

 

[Patranus]

The act they are performing has to be illegal, such as selling drugs. Washing dishes and doing lawnwork is not illegal and thus they are only subject to deportation.

Huh?

You have to be in the country legally to work, hence the existence of a work visa.

 

[BoomerD]

What about the other posts? Those who employ them getting the same treatment?

No. While that sounds good...I'd rather see them be heavily fined for each illegal immigrant they hire.
I'm not gonna give them a pass for "Oh, his documents looked good, so I didn't know," <wink-wink> $100,000 per illegal immigrant would be a good place to start.

I've advocated for years a well-run migrant worker program for the farmers. IMO, farm jobs ARE "the jobs Americans won't do," even if many of them, only because they don't pay well. (no, I don't want to pick strawberries.)
Allow each farmer or farm labor contractor to apply for X number of workers for the season.
The workers MUST be pre-screened, checked for infectious diseases, criminal history, etc., then allowed entrance for the job.
50% of his/her wages would be withheld until they return to their native country, at which time, they'd get a check for those wages.
ANY immigrant in the country illegally would be banned from the program until he/she returns to their native land.
Any illegal immigrant caught here would be banned from the program for 5 years minimum for the first offense.
Farm labor jobs only. No construction, no fast food, no janitorial, etc.

The refusal of the US of A to secure its borders is a slap in the face of its citizens and legal immigrants who have followed the rules and spent hundreds or thousands of $$ to get here legally.

 

[fskimospy]

Huh?

You have to be in the country legally to work, hence the existence of a work visa.

Right, but the crime is not 'working in the country illegally', the crime is being here illegally.

Similarly if you make money doing legitimate work and money from selling drugs, the government can only seize the income and assets that came from your crime, not from the legal things you did.

 

[BoomerD]

Right, but the crime is not 'working in the country illegally', the crime is being here illegally.

Similarly if you make money doing legitimate work and money from selling drugs, the government can only seize the income and assets that came from your crime, not from the legal things you did.

BUT, any monies earned while here illegally are tainted by the original crime of illegal entry. Thus, all is forfeit.
Add to the crime of illegal entry the crime of identity theft, fraud, forgery, possession of stolen property, since MOST illegal immigrants have/use forged/phony/stolen identification.

Illegal immigration IS a crime.
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/8/12/II/VIII/1325

 

[Patranus]

Right, but the crime is not 'working in the country illegally', the crime is being here illegally.

Similarly if you make money doing legitimate work and money from selling drugs, the government can only seize the income and assets that came from your crime, not from the legal things you did.

No, it is illegal for them to work in the United States while being here illegally. There are TWO crimes being committed.

 

[fskimospy]

BUT, any monies earned while here illegally are tainted by the original crime of illegal entry. Thus, all is forfeit.
Add to the crime of illegal entry the crime of identity theft, fraud, forgery, possession of stolen property, since MOST illegal immigrants have/use forged/phony/stolen identification.

Illegal immigration IS a crime.
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/8/12/II/VIII/1325

All of those things you mentioned are crimes, but I noticed you didn't mention working as one of them. And no, every action you take that is 'tainted' by an original crime doesn't mean they are forfeit. Where are you getting that idea from?

For example, if I steal a car to go pick up my paycheck for 2 weeks of legal work, my paycheck is not forfeit because it was tainted by my grand theft auto.

 

[fskimospy]

No, it is illegal for them to work in the United States while being here illegally. There are TWO crimes being committed.

Can you quote me the relevant statute that says working while an illegal immigrant is a crime?

 

[Macamus Prime]

Ah - the usual rage with pitchforks and torches towards the illegal aliens.

Psssst,... the reason these illegal aliens are here,... is because Americans are hiring them. They are actually giving them money to come here and work. I know, I know, it sounds crazy, but it's true!

If you lock up and kick out every illegal alien, guess what - more will show up. Because there is a demand for cheap labor.

Why, how UN-American of you to ask for government to step in and stop the American business person from conducting his/her methods of obtaining the highest profit! What are you, a communist?!

 

[JTsyo]

BUT, any monies earned while here illegally are tainted by the original crime of illegal entry. Thus, all is forfeit.
Add to the crime of illegal entry the crime of identity theft, fraud, forgery, possession of stolen property, since MOST illegal immigrants have/use forged/phony/stolen identification.

Illegal immigration IS a crime.
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/8/12/II/VIII/1325

If you work under the table and the IRS finds out do they confiscate your entire income or just tax you on it plus fines?

 

[ElFenix]

If a citizen illegally makes money and then uses that money to buy assets, not only can the money be seized by the government but also those assets.

An illegal alien working is the United States is (obviously) illegal therefore any income made while working in the United States is the proceeds of a crime should be subject to asset forfeiture laws.

Why are citizens subject to this law yet illegal aliens get off the hook?

it's not a crime until the second offense.

 

[CU]

All of those things you mentioned are crimes, but I noticed you didn't mention working as one of them. And no, every action you take that is 'tainted' by an original crime doesn't mean they are forfeit. Where are you getting that idea from?

For example, if I steal a car to go pick up my paycheck for 2 weeks of legal work, my paycheck is not forfeit because it was tainted by my grand theft auto.

In your example the paychecks were already earned. The car was not used to make that money.

What if you steal a backhoe and use it to dig some ditches that you are paid for. After you get caught, do you have to pay back the money you made from digging ditches with it? I would say yes, but I don't know what the law/judge would say.

 

[Patranus]

If you work under the table and the IRS finds out do they confiscate your entire income or just tax you on it plus fines?

Except for the fact that you legally made the money and the crime is failing to pay taxes on the money legally earned.

 

[airdata]

What's your problem with people trying to make a better life for themselves in our country?

That's the basis of why our country was great to begin with.

 

[xj0hnx]

What's your problem with people trying to make a better life for themselves in our country?

That's the basis of why our country was great to begin with.

No problem at all, as long as they go through the same process that all the other legal immigrants have to.