ASRock hacked Intel's chipsets to allow OCing

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Borealis7

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http://www.techpowerup.com/186355/c...boards-made-possible-by-asrocks-non-z-oc.html

i didn't see anyone comment on this so i decided to post it here (as much as i wanted to put this in CPUs and Overclocking...)

so Intel has been stringing us all along to buy their expensive chipsets while there is no actual technical limitation to using multiplier overclocking on non-Z boards?? tell me it isn't so!

now all we need to do is find a Haswell that'll do 4.8GHz...
 
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I see the effort of making an overclockable H87 chipset is self defeating. They tested with their ASRock Fatal1ty H87 Performance to prove that a H87 chipset is overclockable. That's fine because it was made sufficiently robust for a stable power delivery. The Fatal1ty branding itself adds to the premium.

The rest of their H87 boards are built for the budget conscious, thus making it difficult to get a stable overclock or do it anyway and shorten the lifespan of the motherboard with stresses it can't handle. In the end, ASRock Fatal1ty H87 just falls into a niche that was meant to be a proof of concept.
 
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dma0991 said:
I see the effort of making an overclockable H87 chipset is self defeating. They tested with their ASRock Fatal1ty H87 Performance to prove that a H87 chipset is overclockable. That's fine because it was made sufficiently robust for a stable power delivery. The Fatal1ty branding itself adds to the premium.

The rest of their H87 boards are built for the budget conscious, thus making it difficult to get a stable overclock or do it anyway and shorten the lifespan of the motherboard with stresses it can't handle. In the end, ASRock Fatal1ty H87 just falls into a niche that was meant to be a proof of concept.
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yes well, it's kind of pointless if this board is priced close to z87 motherboards,

as for OC on lower end boards, there is always some room, if this feature is enabled for $60 b85 MBs that's nicer...

overclocking with $50 motherboards was common a few years back with H55, G31, 945GC, nforce 6100 and many other cheap chipsets on cheap motherboards...

I have a working Gigabyte G31 that was never used at stock settings, and that's what? a $50 MB from 5 years ago?
I even used a overclocked kentsfield with it, as high as making the motherboard shut down under load running prime and such, with no real effort to cool the VRMs or anything,

a 4670K is rated at 84w, if you disable the IGP you already gained some room for OC I would think,


still the real deal would be OCing non K CPUs

I wonder if the same "hack" would be possible on 1155?

still nice to see :thumbsup:
 
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Smoblikat

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SPBHM said:
yes well, it's kind of pointless if this board is priced close to z87 motherboards,

as for OC on lower end boards, there is always some room, if this feature is enabled for $60 b85 MBs that's nicer...

overclocking with $50 motherboards was common a few years back with H55, G31, 945GC, nforce 6100 and many other cheap chipsets on cheap motherboards...

I have a working Gigabyte G31 that was never used at stock settings, and that's what? a $50 MB from 5 years ago?
I even used a overclocked kentsfield with it, as high as making the motherboard shut down under load running prime and such, with no real effort to cool the VRMs or anything,

a 4670K is rated at 84w, if you disable the IGP you already gained some room for OC I would think,


still the real deal would be OCing non K CPUs

I wonder if the same "hack" would be possible on 1155?

still nice to see :thumbsup:
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I agree, if they make this possible on all of their H series boards this could be pretty cool. I have always wondered if a motherboard manufacturer is able to change things that allow unlocked multis/enable HT on non-HT CPU's.
 
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dma0991

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SPBHM said:
still the real deal would be OCing non K CPUs
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That would be another problem as Intel made sure that non K will never be overclocked(unless some exploit is found). Prior to the K series segmentation, overclocking can be perceived as taking cheap CPU and motherboard to get more performance out of it. But for LGA115x K series, they are already the most expensive overclockable CPUs in the market. I can't fathom why would anyone spend that much on an overclockable CPU but not spend equally as much on a decent motherboard meant for overclocking.
 
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It really isn't news that Intel chipsets and CPUs have artificial limits placed on them. How about intel Smart Response Technology only working on a handful of chipsets? Or Trim with raid 0? And as mentioned, the entire K series.
 
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Meh.

The price premium of an enthusiast/overclocking-quality motherboard is several times the difference in chipset cost. I could see buying one of these for the "hehehe, stick it to the man" aspect but that's about it.

And in my old age, I find I prefer running (mostly) supported configurations.
 
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Borealis7

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the question is, would we soon see a re-spin of the chipset silicon? it shouldn't bother Intel that much.
 
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SPBHM

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dave_the_nerd said:
Meh.

The price premium of an enthusiast/overclocking-quality motherboard is several times the difference in chipset cost. I could see buying one of these for the "hehehe, stick it to the man" aspect but that's about it.

And in my old age, I find I prefer running (mostly) supported configurations.
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well, cheapest Asrock board on newegg with "non Z oc"

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157376
$68.99

cheapest z87 board
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130695
$109.99

$40 saved,
a 4670K is $50 higher than the cheapest (locked) Haswell i5... for the same money you could have B85 + 4670K at 4.2GHz or something, compared to Z87 + 4570 at 3.2+ (I don't know what is the 4c load turbo clock)
 
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Very interesting! Now if only Micro Center would get in some of the cheaper ASRock boards...
 
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Sheep221

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I might think, what is actually making the chipsets or CPUs overclocking locked? Is it software or is it mechanically wired in silicon? I was thinking if there is not an option to just hack the CPU with some specific made circuitry to unlock it for overclocking.
I knew that something like that was possible way back on Socket A AMDs. You just rewired some contacts on front of the CPU. In fact, all CPUs since nehalem have that as well, they are exposed in nehalem around entire perimeter and on SB/IB/Haswell can be found in upper left corner, they are there for a reason.
 
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Concillian

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Sheep221 said:
I might think, what is actually making the chipsets or CPUs overclocking locked? Is it software or is it mechanically wired in silicon? I was thinking if there is not an option to just hack the CPU with some specific made circuitry to unlock it for overclocking.
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It's fused off in the silicon. Intel is well aware that if it's not fused off... someone will find a way around it.
 
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SPBHM

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ECS is also doing it,
also on the even cheaper H81

http://www.techpowerup.com/186706/b...u-oc-on-ecs-h87-b85-and-h81-motherboards.html


H81OC_650.jpg
 
CZroe

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SPBHM said:
well, cheapest Asrock board on newegg with "non Z oc"

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157376
$68.99

cheapest z87 board
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130695
$109.99

$40 saved,
a 4670K is $50 higher than the cheapest (locked) Haswell i5... for the same money you could have B85 + 4670K at 4.2GHz or something, compared to Z87 + 4570 at 3.2+ (I don't know what is the 4c load turbo clock)
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Where can I find a list of the boards supporting it?
 
StitchExperimen

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The problem I see is that the cheapeness of either class has only 1 PCIe 3.0 slot. Forcing you to pay more for a motherboard.
The cpu is only averaging 7-15% faster and the markup is more than that percentage.
AVX2 is new and unused.
Remote wake up to access your computer is new on some models but not this one.
Does 4K but UDHD is 24 fps not 60 and costs $25,000 for UDHD TV.
No SLI.

$109
MSI Z87-G41 PC Mate LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX High Performance CF Intel Motherboard
Military Class Component, Mainstream CF Gaming
 
Torn Mind

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Maybe this is wishful thinking, but I don't think Intel would mind unless so many K- chips are sold that there are too many non-Ks left in inventory. It's the other mobo manufacturers that are worried and that's why ASUS and Biostar are following AsRock.
 
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